Last 6 games. What can be salvaged for 2025 ?

[varjao]

We already have a QB so draft position be damned. I want to see some clean winning games from Maye to build something for next year.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

This is obvious but we are not a well Coached Team and it shows with those stupid back breaking penalties. We are playing Teams who are Leagues ahead of us in the Coaching department and we ain't Out Coaching them. It starts on Sunday Mike McDaniel will mop the floor up with two times Mayo. Unless Maye plays lights out I mean Throws for 250 and Run for 100 and we still might lose, we are too devoid of talent and can't overcome our mistakes. We should be in the Top 3 again at seasons end not Maye's fault.

Agree..Not wishing it (kinda) but if Tuna got knocked out this weekend…I’d say there’s a chance we win, then again we didn’t before. I wonder what our record would be if drake started the whole season…the wheels hadn’t fallen off the D yet.

 

[PatsFan2]

Agree..Not wishing it (kinda) but if Tuna got knocked out this weekend…I’d say there’s a chance we win, then again we didn’t before. I wonder what our record would be if drake started the whole season…the wheels hadn’t fallen off the D yet.

The First Five weeks he would have been carted off. Biscuit earned his licks: it's week 11 and Maye is still getting hit.

 

[DaBruinz]

I'm convinced now, more than ever, that neither Mayo nor Wolf know how to build a team. I swear that Mayo thinks this is Fantasy Football the way he just throws players away...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I'm convinced now, more than ever, that neither Mayo nor Wolf know how to build a team. I swear that Mayo thinks this is Fantasy Football the way he just throws players away...

Who has Mayo gotten rid of, where he either clearly failed to maximize value or they have gone on to play well elsewhere this year? Maybe Uche and Ryland?

 

[Real fan 02]

At least 2 wins would be nice.

Becuase of the defense they won't win another game the rest of the way. Drake keeps us in every game even with his turnovers. The defense just has beena disappointment all season. There is really nothing more we have to see to know what's needed to maximize Drake. It's a 32nd ranked offense with a awesome rookie QB and a ****ty defense.

 

[Real fan 02]

The First Five weeks he would have been carted off. Biscuit earned his licks: it's week 11 and Maye is still getting hit.

The only links he earned is from JP licks ice cream store. 98 yards passing..

 

[signbabybrady]

Who has Mayo gotten rid of, where he either clearly failed to maximize value or they have gone on to play well elsewhere this year? Maybe Uche and Ryland?

One could argue that since very few have gone on to have any success that maybe they should never have been here to begin with either.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

I don't see the need to salvage anything. I'd say it's actually going better than expected. We got our quarterback, and we've learned a lot about which players are going to be part of the long-term program. Team has played hard and we've maintained a good draft position to help the re-load. I think we challenge for a playoff spot next year,

 

[DaBruinz]

Who has Mayo gotten rid of, where he either clearly failed to maximize value or they have gone on to play well elsewhere this year? Maybe Uche and Ryland?

CT - Who said anything about "maximizing value"? Maximizing value is what you talk about in Fantasy Football or when you're collecting talent. I said they don't know how to "Build a Team". That's been the case since prior to the draft, IMHO. I would hope that I wouldn't have to explain the difference to you.

Guys they went out of their way to get that they've since dumped:
Zachary Thomas
Ochaun Mathis
Jamree Kromah
Yvandy Rigby
Bryan Hudson

Now they've gone and signed a Guy who hasn't played a frigging down in the NFL in Leo to replace Mathis. A guy in Mathis who'd been with the team since cutdowns, earned a spot from the PS to the "53" and whom they just jettisoned.

Of the 4 guys they went out of their way to pick up after cutdowns, only Demontrey Jacaobs remains on the active Roster.

Go ahead and find me a season where the Pats signed 6 LBers to either the 53 or the PS after final cutdowns. Rigby, Rice, Mathis, Leo, Banks, and Curtis Jacobs. I don't remember them signing that many when Bruschi and Johnson went down and the Pats had to rely on Chad Brown and Monty Beisel.

Their handling of the WRs has been laughable as has been the handling of the O-line.

This isn't Jr. High School where kids are still growing into positions. You have to develop them.

The fact that they threw Polk out there from day 1 when he clearly doesn't have the best hands, doesn't run the right routes, and runs his mouth without backing it up is a prime example. While I haven't given up on the kid, they've done some damage to him allowing bad habits. There are PLENTY who have given up on him AND Baker already as we've seen from at least 2 different threads on the main board.

Wallace is another one they've handled poorly. As many have said, if they felt he was going to be the LT, they should have stuck him there and had him learning behind a veteran, even if it was Lowe or Okorafor. Instead, they bounced him all over and it clearly hurt his development. Same with Sidy Sow. They should have had him at LG all of camp instead of bouncing him. You can bounce guys like Onwenu around because they're veterans and have taken the snaps for years, but you can't do that with guys you're developing.

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[DaBruinz]

I don't see the need to salvage anything. I'd say it's actually going better than expected. We got our quarterback, and we've learned a lot about which players are going to be part of the long-term program. Team has played hard and we've maintained a good draft position to help the re-load. I think we challenge for a playoff spot next year,

You'll forgive me if I put ZERO faith in the combination of Wolf/Groh/Mayo.

Wolf/Mayo do not know how to build a team. They are collecting talent and that will result in this team not doing squat until they're gone.

Wolf/Groh are as responsible for the 2022 and 2023 drafts as Belichick. They can't blame Belichick for 2024.

As someone else pointed out, 2022 has given us 2 guys who have both had issues staying on the field in Cole Strange and Marcus Jones.

The jury is still out on Jake Andrews, but Mafi was a miss, Ryland a bust (though he seems to have salvaged things in AZ), Speed in on his 3rd team, and what once seems like a promising potential starter opposite Onwenu in Sow now seems like a guy who is on his way to being another cut by this Coach/GM Combo.

From the day BB walked through the door, his focus was on improving the starting OL and DL. He had misses, especially that first draft where he was relying on Grier's scouting info. But, once it was his people, the likes of Light, Vollmer, Solder, Thuney, Mankins, Wilfork, Warren, Seymour. That's what the Patriots became KNOWN for. And yes, BB had his misses with the likes of Malcolm Brown, Easley, Brace, and Wynn. But the Hits far outweighed the misses.

This group doesn't seem to understand that and it showed in this draft and the handling of the O-line in camp.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

You'll forgive me if I put ZERO faith in the combination of Wolf/Groh/Mayo.

Wolf/Mayo do not know how to build a team. They are collecting talent and that will result in this team not doing squat until they're gone.

Wolf/Groh are as responsible for the 2022 and 2023 drafts as Belichick. They can't blame Belichick for 2024.

As someone else pointed out, 2022 has given us 2 guys who have both had issues staying on the field in Cole Strange and Marcus Jones.

The jury is still out on Jake Andrews, but Mafi was a miss, Ryland a bust (though he seems to have salvaged things in AZ), Speed in on his 3rd team, and what once seems like a promising potential starter opposite Onwenu in Sow now seems like a guy who is on his way to being another cut by this Coach/GM Combo.

From the day BB walked through the door, his focus was on improving the starting OL and DL. He had misses, especially that first draft where he was relying on Grier's scouting info. But, once it was his people, the likes of Light, Vollmer, Solder, Thuney, Mankins, Wilfork, Warren, Seymour. That's what the Patriots became KNOWN for. And yes, BB had his misses with the likes of Malcolm Brown, Easley, Brace, and Wynn. But the Hits far outweighed the misses.

This group doesn't seem to understand that and it showed in this draft and the handling of the O-line in camp.

Fair enough. I agree the jury is still out. I'm more patient, probably because I dread the "fire the bums" treadmill.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

CT - Who said anything about "maximizing value"? Maximizing value is what you talk about in Fantasy Football or when you're collecting talent. I said they don't know how to "Build a Team". That's been the case since prior to the draft, IMHO. I would hope that I wouldn't have to explain the difference to you.

You said they're throwing away players. My point is simply that the players they're getting rid of, for the most part, haven't been more than JAGs.

Yes, there are major issues with this team; I'm just saying that the churn at the bottom of the roster isn't really one of them.

 

[raduray]

A: What are Polk's and Baker's problems? Is it personnel or coaching? Can they be ironed out? Now's the time to find out.

 

[PatsFan2]

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So Mayo is very hands on when it comes onto criticizing Rookies. But hands off on criticizing Pathetic Position Coaches. We get it two times Mayo.

 

[TheRainMaker]

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So Mayo is very hands on when it comes onto criticizing Rookies. But hands off on criticizing Pathetic Position Coaches. We get it two times Mayo.

Blame the GM that took them.

Who has Mayo gotten rid of, where he either clearly failed to maximize value or they have gone on to play well elsewhere this year? Maybe Uche and Ryland?

The answer is nobody. However, Wolf signed guys he clearly shouldn’t have such as Owenu and Dugger. Bourne was idiotic. Rham and Barmore could’ve waited. They re-signed a ton of Bill’s guys, but they are sitting at 3 wins which they are very lucky to have right now. That’s a lot of money spent for potentially only 3 wins this season. You can’t use the QB and the HC excuse this time as it was played out last season.

 

[sportnik]

The Pats will not be serious contenders until they hire a real HC & nothing else matters until they fire Mayo. There is already enough talent on this team. The issue is that they have a HC that wouldn’t last 2 seasons at Walpole High.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Blame the GM that took them.

The answer is nobody. However, Wolf signed guys he clearly shouldn’t have such as Owenu and Dugger. Bourne was idiotic. Rham and Barmore could’ve waited. They re-signed a ton of Bill’s guys, but they are sitting at 3 wins which they are very lucky to have right now. That’s a lot of money spent for potentially only 3 wins this season. You can’t use the QB and the HC excuse this time as it was played out last season.

Remember Pete Carroll and Robert Kraft visiting Syracuse University to see Tebucky Jones? We picked Tebucky in R1 and he fell flat. After that RK realized that he should find someone to do the football stuff, and he should step back. Now RK is back in the foreground with his team. It will crash and burn, and then RK will fire everyone and hire one or two football professionals to run the organization and the Pats will be good again. Wolf sucks, the coaching staff sucks, but RK is the problem.

 

[mgteich]

A: What are Polk's and Baker's problems? Is it personnel or coaching? Can they be ironed out? Now's the time to find out.

They haves lot to learn. It really is that simple.

Most receivers take more than a year to develop

 

[mgteich]

You'll forgive me if I put ZERO faith in the combination of Wolf/Groh/Mayo.

Wolf/Mayo do not know how to build a team. They are collecting talent and that will result in this team not doing squat until they're gone.

Wolf/Groh are as responsible for the 2022 and 2023 drafts as Belichick. They can't blame Belichick for 2024.

As someone else pointed out, 2022 has given us 2 guys who have both had issues staying on the field in Cole Strange and Marcus Jones.

The jury is still out on Jake Andrews, but Mafi was a miss, Ryland a bust (though he seems to have salvaged things in AZ), Speed in on his 3rd team, and what once seems like a promising potential starter opposite Onwenu in Sow now seems like a guy who is on his way to being another cut by this Coach/GM Combo.

From the day BB walked through the door, his focus was on improving the starting OL and DL. He had misses, especially that first draft where he was relying on Grier's scouting info. But, once it was his people, the likes of Light, Vollmer, Solder, Thuney, Mankins, Wilfork, Warren, Seymour. That's what the Patriots became KNOWN for. And yes, BB had his misses with the likes of Malcolm Brown, Easley, Brace, and Wynn. But the Hits far outweighed the misses.

This group doesn't seem to understand that and it showed in this draft and the handling of the O-line in camp.

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