In Game Adjustments, or the Lack Thereof

[Patjew]

Sure, but they shouldn't be learning to be competent coaches. They should already be there. This is the NFL. You learn the ropes in lesser positions (position coach -> coordinator -> HC, with perhaps some college experience mixed in). Of course a coach shouldn't stop learning: the NFL is dynamic and you have to change to stay competitive. But *competence* should not be learned at the NFL level, and if it becomes clear a coach isn't ready for primetime, he should be fired. Like Mayo and Covington, for starters.

I agree. They should be learned (learn-ed?), and then keep learning.

I would love to see Mayo canned, BTW.

 

[Mike the Brit]

I can't think of one thing that Mayo (and Wolf to some degree) has done well, or shows any progress towards doing well. Xand O's, handling the media, free agents, and just being credible as a leader have all been a big fail. How about taking some responsibility for your play calling instead of just calling out people/team in public for their execution on the field.

Mayo has got the team playing hard and working. That is indispensable.

He has also not exempted players from responsibility for their actions. A striking example is Barmore. He got paid an enormous amount of money and then acted like the most entitled, spoiled sports star imaginable when he was pulled over by the cops. But the team called him to account, Barmore took ownership of his actions, felt remorse and apologized. That's not a small achievement.

 

[TheRainMaker]

So why wasn't Gonzalez on the Rams' best receiver? Why did they refuse to get out of zone? Whatever their plan was, it was failing and they could not adjust. That's coaching, and Covington sucks.

I don't blame Covington at all. The blame should be pointed at Mayo who promoted him.

The defense being a **** show shouldn't surprise anyone when Mayo himself did a really poor job with the LB's. Just because you worked with Bill, doesn't mean you can duplicate what he does. See Mangini and more recently Patricia. Flores is an outlier on having success running a defense without BB holding his hand.

This is the NFL. Coaches get head coaching positions not by belief in potential, but by compelling demonstration of competency, either as an NFL coordinator, a HC in college or previous success as an NFL HC. You can wait for a 6th round QB prospect to develop, it's just one man on the 53. But a good HC is essential to a team's success from day one, and Kraft has put us in the position of seeing if our near zero experience HC will ultimately pan out, while we waste years of Drake Maye's career.

Mayo is demonstrating gross incompetence with basics like time management and even field direction. He has made mind-bogglingly awful strategic decisions. In-game adjustments are nonexistent. Screw his potential ability. The signs aren't there. We can't afford to wait.

Unfortunately, this hasn't been the case in a long time and even more so now. HC's are constantly getting fired because they are getting these jobs without much merit - Mayo is one of the best examples.

 

[PatsFan2]

Argh. Thanks for reminding me of my dilemma. Should I grab Jonnu for my fantasy lineup, or stick with Hunter Henry as my backup TE? Jonnu’s going to be motivated but competing for touches with Waddle, Tyreek, Achane et al.

Yes start him he's been really good.

 

[PatsFan2]

Well be all set.. we have ellis and Dugger to take care of Smith..

Real: you're too much.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I don't blame Covington at all. The blame should be pointed at Mayo who promoted him.

Fair enough.

The defense being a **** show shouldn't surprise anyone when Mayo himself did a really poor job with the LB's. Just because you worked with Bill, doesn't mean you can duplicate what he does. See Mangini and more recently Patricia. Flores is an outlier on having success running a defense without BB holding his hand.

BB is one of kind.

Unfortunately, this hasn't been the case in a long time and even more so now. HC's are constantly getting fired because they are getting these jobs without much merit - Mayo is one of the best examples.

It's inexplicable.

 

[NormZauchin]

Because Mayo has so little experience for an NFL head coach, the "learning on the job" excuse provides a rationale for Kraft to keep him for year 2 and maybe even year 3. Anyone else, who had a long resume, would not be given this break.

 

[archstanton543]

Because Mayo has so little experience for an NFL head coach, the "learning on the job" excuse provides a rationale for Kraft to keep him for year 2 and maybe even year 3. Anyone else, who had a long resume, would not be given this break.

BB was given a break. His first year as HC here was terrible.

 

[NormZauchin]

BB was given a break. His first year as HC here was terrible.

New England won three of their last six games in Belichick's first year. Many fans look for improvement over the course of a losing season and BB gave them plausible hope for 2001. We'll see how this year's Patriots finish their last six games.

 

[Real fan 02]

Real: you're too much.

PF2 my guy... you know me.. I was the highest on our defense even after judon got traded. They flat out suck!!

 

[Real fan 02]

New England won three of their last six games in Belichick's first year. Many fans look for improvement over the course of a losing season and BB gave them plausible hope for 2001. We'll see how this year's Patriots finish their last six games.

You are absolutely correct arch.. but there were studs on defense then we knew they could play.. the only studs here are in the defensive meeting room walls.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Because Mayo has so little experience for an NFL head coach, the "learning on the job" excuse provides a rationale for Kraft to keep him for year 2 and maybe even year 3. Anyone else, who had a long resume, would not be given this break.

Hey now, BB was given a long leash.

 

[Real fan 02]

Hey now, BB was given a long leash.

He likes being put on a leash...

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

BB was given a break. His first year as HC here was terrible.

To say BB's first season here was awful is ridiculous.

Was BB making ridiculous errors like failing to use timeouts appropriately, choosing the wrong wind direction, and dealing with the media like a complete idiot? Was his team playing with a lack of discipline, making critical mental errors over and over? Did you think the players weren't playing hard for him? Did he fail to make obvious adjustments, at least trying to not give up 4 TDs in a row? Did he have media members and football insiders questioning his ability? Did you honestly feel like we had made a terrible mistake with BB during his first season, that we had a coach not at all ready for primetime?

I recall thinking none of those things.

BB had won a Super Bowl as DC. Legendary coach Parcells had arranged to have Belichick succeed him with the Jets before BB bailed. BB was not given a break. He had a plan that involved revamping the roster to get team-first players that fit his mold. He also installed new O and D systems. And of their 16 games, 13 were one score games. They were competitive in all but two games.

Is that what you're seeing this season?

 

[archstanton543]

To say BB's first season here was awful is ridiculous.

It was objectively awful.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

It was objectively awful.

You have provided zero explanation or evidence to support that statement. None. And I just blew it out of the water anyway. 13 of 16 games were one score, competitive games.

Defend your statement. You are so confident, you should able to defend it. And don't bother saying they went from 8-8 to 5-11. I already closed the door on that argument.

I know you won't, though, because it's indefensible.

 

[archstanton543]

You have provided zero explanation or evidence to support that statement. None. And I just blew it out of the water anyway. 13 of 16 games were one score, competitive games.

Defend your statement. You are so confident, you should able to defend it. And don't bother saying they went from 8-8 to 5-11. I already closed the door on that argument.

I know you won't, though, because it's indefensible.

5-11 is objectively awful.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

5-11 is objectively awful.

And there it is. I told you not to bother, but I knew it was coming because it's all you've got.

In 2000 they got a coach who had already won a SB as DC and who was endorsed by the legendary Bill Parcells, they revamped the roster, installed new systems, established a new culture of accountability and discipline, and were very competitive. There was hope for the future and they were well on their way to success. Mayo is not BB. This year is nothing like 2000. The only bright spot this year is Drake Maye.

Don't bother replying if you're going to repeat the bogus 5-11 argument. Deal with the details of my argument, or I'm out.

 

[archstanton543]

And there it is. I told you not to bother, but I knew it was coming because it's all you've got.

In 2000 they got a coach who had already won a SB as DC and who was endorsed by the legendary Bill Parcells, they revamped the roster, installed new systems, established a new culture of accountability and discipline, and were very competitive. There was hope for the future and they were well on their way to success. Mayo is not BB. This year is nothing like 2000. The only bright spot this year is Drake Maye.

Don't bother replying if you're going to repeat the bogus 5-11 argument. Deal with the details of my argument, or I'm out.

What are you talking about "bogus"? Was that their record or not? Yes, BB had more experience than Mayo coming in.

What was said was "Anyone else, who had a long resume, would not be given this break,". BB had a long resume and was given a break after a bad first season.

 

[PatsFan2]

To say BB's first season here was awful is ridiculous.

Was BB making ridiculous errors like failing to use timeouts appropriately, choosing the wrong wind direction, and dealing with the media like a complete idiot? Was his team playing with a lack of discipline, making critical mental errors over and over? Did you think the players weren't playing hard for him? Did he fail to make obvious adjustments, at least trying to not give up 4 TDs in a row? Did he have media members and football insiders questioning his ability? Did you honestly feel like we had made a terrible mistake with BB during his first season, that we had a coach not at all ready for primetime?

I recall thinking none of those things.

BB had won a Super Bowl as DC. Legendary coach Parcells had arranged to have Belichick succeed him with the Jets before BB bailed. BB was not given a break. He had a plan that involved revamping the roster to get team-first players that fit his mold. He also installed new O and D systems. And of their 16 games, 13 were one score games. They were competitive in all but two games.

Is that what you're seeing this season?

Wells said Brother: what's the definition of insanity?? Doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. We have an undisciplined football team that constantly shoots themself in the foot. That's a reflection on the HC.