This was never going to be a great season

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Yeah I suppose so.

But even still nothing he's done has proven to be helpful at all. The fact that all you can point to is passing up on some draft day trades kind of proves my point.

Actually I just thought of one.....Slye. Lol going to need more than that. And as Ring6 has pointed out many times he had vast resources and still struck out.

yeah it was a little less eventful an offseason than anticipated. Im thinking the plan is to build up through the draft and evaluate what you have after the season. This wasn’t a strong crop of free agents.

Im ok with the approach. I can’t think of too many 4 win teams that get back to the playoffs by splurging in FA right away. If we turn it around it primarily comes through the draft and when we have a better sense of where this team is we can open up the spending. Its gonna come with some growing pains but im willing to give their approach a chance. I didn’t necessarily agree with everything bb was doing during the recent rebuild but i was willing to give him 3-4 years from 2020 to get us back to winning while everyone was hitting the panic button on him early on, it didn’t happen. I think the new regime deserves the same opportunity now.

 

[Ring 6]

yeah it was a little less eventful an offseason than anticipated. Im thinking the plan is to build up through the draft and evaluate what you have after the season. This wasn’t a strong crop of free agents.

Im ok with the approach. I can’t think of too many 4 win teams that get back to the playoffs by splurging in FA right away. If we turn it around it primarily comes through the draft and when we have a better sense of where this team is we can open up the spending. Its gonna come with some growing pains but im willing to give their approach a chance. I didn’t necessarily agree with everything bb was doing during the recent rebuild but i was willing to give him 3-4 years from 2020 to get us back to winning while everyone was hitting the panic button on him early on, it didn’t happen. I think the new regime deserves the same opportunity now.

Great topic

I hear this a lot “build through the draft”. But isn’t that saying our plan is we will draft better than everyone else. Because everyone has a draft to build from. If you don’t out draft the league hie does this ever work? Are you confident we can significantly draft better than everyone else?

I don’t know if a 4 win team can splurge in FA and make the playoffs right away. I think one with 100,000,000 to spend has a better chance than most.
But a 4 win team has an enormous opportunity to improve. Where have we improved? We seem to have gone back ward.
Would it be great if we used the resources we had to build strengths or shore up weaknesses and turn a 4 win team into a 7 or 8 win team?
Wouldnt that team be in striking distance of a good offseason away from playoff contention?
Instead we seem to have just sat out a year and actually have gone backward from the 4-13 team.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Not really, the offers we received from Minnesota and nyg are tough to pass up imo and there was lots of questions circling maye pre draft. Many people were and some still are saying we should have traded down or taken Alt.

It was a pretty bold move to pass up those packages and select maye . If he doesn’t work out thats a major miss and it could lead to wolfe getting ousted in a few years. If maye does work out wolfe deserves his flowers.

There is a lot more to being a GM than one pick. Yes, let's hope that Maye is the guy (it looks like he might be). But forgetting the balance of the team is irresponsible. No FAs to speak of (Gibson?), Polk looks to be an average guy (I call him a more athletic Jacobi Myers), and Wallace, Baker, and Robinson are not impressing. In the meantime the contract negotiations with Judon were botched. What FA or draft pick is stepping up to help elevate our defense?

If that is how we build the team each year, we will continue to go backwards. Choosing Maye is fine, but leaving the rest of the team to languish is bad GMing IMO.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Great topic

I hear this a lot “build through the draft”. But isn’t that saying our plan is we will draft better than everyone else. Because everyone has a draft to build from. If you don’t out draft the league hie does this ever work? Are you confident we can significantly draft better than everyone else?

I don’t know if a 4 win team can splurge in FA and make the playoffs right away. I think one with 100,000,000 to spend has a better chance than most.
But a 4 win team has an enormous opportunity to improve. Where have we improved? We seem to have gone back ward.
Would it be great if we used the resources we had to build strengths or shore up weaknesses and turn a 4 win team into a 7 or 8 win team?
Wouldnt that team be in striking distance of a good offseason away from playoff contention?
Instead we seem to have just sat out a year and actually have gone backward from the 4-13 team.

it would be great to spend if its a move they believe in. They had 2 top wr targets in mind they offered big money to but the players had no interest in us other than using us as bargaining chips. Id guess the top options at dt/de or other areas we should have been interested would have done the same if we pursed them. So that leaves us exploring the next tier below in each position group. Is it worth spending roughly $8-$12m per on a guy who might be marginally better than someone you can draft or grab off the bargain bin? Possibly, but i can see their side of it too in rolling over the cash. Yes they will have to outdraft more teams than not to catch up.

Have they gotten better? Its week 3. We have a brand new hc, oc, qb, dc. We can revisit in December how the team looks. Drake has yet to start a game and its hard to evaluate the wr additions in the current passing offense. The hope is our OL gets healthier and improves to the point where the qb and wr will have a decent shot to show us some of what we have. Wallace, robinson, and jacobs are still pretty raw.

 

[dliverey44]

Every team bottoms out. Every team does. It all depends on what you do to get out of that. Scratch that, not every team does but those that don't chug along in NFL purgatory. Doesn't mean you don't get out of the bottom if you aren't smart about it but man it infuriates me that some "fans" are completely content with 8-9, 9-8 and maybe a playoff game that you get blown out in. Year in, year out the same thing, hope and promise only to come crashing down.

If Maye is the guy and next offseason they do the following. FA grab or trade for a Grade A no kidding WR. Draft a blue chip high end LT and maybe even a center.

What would people say then? Rome wasn't built in a day and this franchise was left in dire, dire straits. Give it a couple of years before you start hammering them. I will be right there with you.

I say that we also need some upgrades on defense.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

There is a lot more to being a GM than one pick. Yes, let's hope that Maye is the guy (it looks like he might be). But forgetting the balance of the team is irresponsible. No FAs to speak of (Gibson?), Polk looks to be an average guy (I call him a more athletic Jacobi Myers), and Wallace, Baker, and Robinson are not impressing. In the meantime the contract negotiations with Judon were botched. What FA or draft pick is stepping up to help elevate our defense?

If that is how we build the team each year, we will continue to go backwards. Choosing Maye is fine, but leaving the rest of the team to languish is bad GMing IMO.

Yes, definitely theres more to it than the maye pick. My post was in response to someone saying their nephew could have made the decision to stay put and invest in him. As far as the lack of moves, They don’t seem to have had much interest in this years fa crop and are taking a conservative approach this year.

I remember bedard mentioning he read the ron wolf book and supposedly his first season in gb was the same approach taking over a losing team. The first year was mainly based on evaluation and hoping to hit with the draft. His thinking was perhaps the team wasn’t as bad as the previous record showed, some may have a similar sentiment here. But youre right the next couple offseasons will need more action because the roster does need work even in the optimistic scenario . I think we’ll see more and im hoping the OL improves to the point where we can learn a little more about our qb and wr’s.

 

[sb1]

Love how the fans who blamed Mac jones for literally everything last year are only now realizing that the roster was never just a QB away from being a competitive one.

A little later than the rest of us but better late than never I guess.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Love how the fans who blamed Mac jones for literally everything last year are only now realizing that the roster was never just a QB away from being a competitive one.

A little later than the rest of us but better late than never I guess.

Which fans blamed Mac Jones for literally everything?

 

[Real fan 02]

I say that we also need some upgrades on defense.

Even with a healthy Barmore and Bentley. I still felt we could have added at LB and DE.. over the off season I pitched the idea of trading for jahiare Alexander I'm GB at CB.

 

[TommyD4207]

With a good/great offensive line and health, this could have been a great season.

Brissett would have eventually been replaced by Maye and he would have determined how far in the playoffs they could have gone.

Instead it's what we have now...

With two average tackles, this was a playoff team.

 

[TommyD4207]

Wolf is alot smarter then me.

He thought that Okorafor and Lowe were appropriate options for an NFL team at left tackle.

I'm not entirely sure your statement is true.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yes, definitely theres more to it than the maye pick. My post was in response to someone saying their nephew could have made the decision to stay put and invest in him. As far as the lack of moves, They don’t seem to have had much interest in this years fa crop and are taking a conservative approach this year.

I remember bedard mentioning he read the ron wolf book and supposedly his first season in gb was the same approach taking over a losing team. The first year was mainly based on evaluation and hoping to hit with the draft. His thinking was perhaps the team wasn’t as bad as the previous record showed, some may have a similar sentiment here. But youre right the next couple offseasons will need more action because the roster does need work even in the optimistic scenario . I think we’ll see more and im hoping the OL improves to the point where we can learn a little more about our qb and wr’s.

As long as the team drafts well everything moves forward. That is very hard to do, so teams trade and use FA. How do you feel about our 2024 draft of Polk, Wallace, Robinson, and Baker? Wolf said we had a solid OL. How do you feel about the OL? Do you agree with our GM?

 

[signbabybrady]

Love how the fans who blamed Mac jones for literally everything last year are only now realizing that the roster was never just a QB away from being a competitive one.

A little later than the rest of us but better late than never I guess.

Jacoby appears to be worse so I think it's still mostly the QB.

The OL didn't get needed improvements either and injuries are making it non-functional. But until we have a functional QB playing nothing else can save it.

 

[Triumph]

They can run on the Jets, they won't give them the ball enough to get 40.
Jets will not be more "tuned" than a prime-time game where Rodgers plays his first home game where they totally dominate and scored 24 points.

Rodgers missed some plays Thursday night and like he said after the game, look out when him and Lazard get in sync like old times.

It's easy to force NE to abandon the run on offense. All the opposing offense needs to do is just pass the ball to a nice lead.

Jets will be fine tuned after weeks of playing in live games heading into Foxboro for a division game. They will challenge Buffalo for the AFCE.

 

[Triumph]

Thunder Kraft said before the season began that they are always thinking playoffs. That does not sound like a guy who expected this 5hitshow. He tried to sign Ridley.

 

[TommyD4207]

Thunder Kraft said before the season began that they are always thinking playoffs. That does not sound like a guy who expected this 5hitshow. He tried to sign Ridley.

It's tough for me to take this at face value now, when the only people saying they were seriously in on Ridley were Wolf and the Patriots camp.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

As long as the team drafts well everything moves forward. That is very hard to do, so teams trade and use FA. How do you feel about our 2024 draft of Polk, Wallace, Robinson, and Baker? Wolf said we had a solid OL. How do you feel about the OL? Do you agree with our GM?

Polk has been encouraging but its tough to evaluate him with the issues we have. I wasn’t a fan of the pick but i warmed up to it in preseason.

Wallace and Robinson have to grow. Robinson could be a force one day if he learns to pass block, but concerning the amount of simple stuff like stunts seem to give us so many issues when he appears to be involved. Wallace id say was…below average at LT. I want to see him get some chances at rt where hes more likely to succeed. Baker has potential , hes a project. Some good and bad based off the preseason.

I didn’t take wolf’s comments about the OL seriously. If he was being honest, hes wrong. It may have been more about not wanting to announce that we have serious needs at OL a couple weeks before the season starts.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Polk has been encouraging but its tough to evaluate him with the issues we have. I wasn’t a fan of the pick but i warmed up to it in preseason.

Wallace and Robinson have to grow. Robinson could be a force one day if he learns to pass block, but concerning the amount of simple stuff like stunts seem to give us so many issues when he appears to be involved. Wallace id say was…below average at LT. I want to see him get some chances at rt where hes more likely to succeed. Baker has potential , hes a project. Some good and bad based off the preseason.

I didn’t take wolf’s comments about the OL seriously. If he was being honest, hes wrong. It may have been more about not wanting to announce that we have serious needs at OL a couple weeks before the season starts.

That is all very reasonable. Good post.

I would add that great draft picks almost always shine early and often. Draft picks that need more time or are a project have a much higher failure rate. Some late bloomers make it - Josh Allen made a lot of people eat crow.

Odds are our draft class outside of Maye is weak. We didn't sign any notable FAs. We lost Judon. With the exception of QB, it seems like we are going backwards IMO. With a bottom tier team it is very easy to go forwards.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

That is all very reasonable. Good post.

I would add that great draft picks almost always shine early and often. Draft picks that need more time or are a project have a much higher failure rate. Some late bloomers make it - Josh Allen made a lot of people eat crow.

Odds are our draft class outside of Maye is weak. We didn't sign any notable FAs. We lost Judon. With the exception of QB, it seems like we are going backwards IMO. With a bottom tier team it is very easy to go forwards.

Valid concerns, not gonna lie. We definitely need to get more from it than maye. Hitting on a qb is a very magnified hit, but for future purposes we need to know they can get players out of rds 2-7. I wanted to keep judon too, not an extension but id have wanted to work it out for this year. Him at his best would have meant alot more to us than a 3rd rounder imo. Hope to be wrong on that end. I didn’t agree with everything they did myself but we’ll see how they use all this space in the future.

 

[Ring 6]

it would be great to spend if its a move they believe in. They had 2 top wr targets in mind they offered big money to but the players had no interest in us other than using us as bargaining chips. Id guess the top options at dt/de or other areas we should have been interested would have done the same if we pursed them. So that leaves us exploring the next tier below in each position group. Is it worth spending roughly $8-$12m per on a guy who might be marginally better than someone you can draft or grab off the bargain bin? Possibly, but i can see their side of it too in rolling over the cash. Yes they will have to outdraft more teams than not to catch up.

Have they gotten better? Its week 3. We have a brand new hc, oc, qb, dc. We can revisit in December how the team looks. Drake has yet to start a game and its hard to evaluate the wr additions in the current passing offense. The hope is our OL gets healthier and improves to the point where the qb and wr will have a decent shot to show us some of what we have. Wallace, robinson, and jacobs are still pretty raw.

There were dozens of free agents better than what we have on our roster. We have many weaknesses.
We have a team that was 4-13 and has less talent now that it did last year. An 8-12 million player is not marginally better than a practice squad caliber guy.

Why would tilling it over to next year matter? If we didn’t drive it this year why would we next year?

The team looks how the team looks. We can only evaluate what happens on the field. If we can’t name a single addition that has improved the roster, it seems pretty clear what is going to follow.