OT: Boston GREATS top 10

[VrabelJr]

Mike Haynes should possibly be on this list. Certainly around 9 or 10. Though half of his career was in LA.

 

[PWRxWLF]

1. Scott Secules
2. Alla Abdelnaby
3. Ras - i Dowling
4. Jody Reed
5. Greg Kite
6. Big Baby Davis
7. Tom Brady
8. Len Bias
9. Michael Bishop
10. Donald Hayes

How the hell dare you leave off the great Adam Seward? Remake this list!

 

[Boomer B]

Brady had a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better shot than 3% as the Pats were good, and as @1960Pats points out, a 6 team NBA league means it's stacked.

It's not taking anything away from Brady to put him behind Russell. He's the best ever to do what he does, bar none. It's more of an embarrassment of riches that we fans had the levels of play in the Boston area that we are discussing here. True greatness.

3% is the statistical chance he had. Russell’s statistical chance was 12.5%, and unlike Brady he could play on a team that could be kept together long term.

The Celtics were like the Montreal Canadians. Stacked team in a league with 6-8 teams. Much easier to create and maintain a dynasty than how Brady did it.

 

[Steve102]

Mike Haynes should possibly be on this list. Certainly around 9 or 10. Though half of his career was in LA.

Disagree. There's a lot of people that can go on this list, guys who played all most of their career here. Haynes is great, but all time Boston? You could make a case that he's not top 10 Patriots.

Brady
Hannah
Gronk
Law
Big Vince
Seymour
Tippett
Law
Jim Nance
Morgan

That's just off the dome.

 

[maust]

Orr basically played defense by himself when paired with Teddy Green. No knock on Green after he got hit in the head with a puck. The players did not wear helmets back then. Teddy Green was never the same player after his injury. Orr killed Boston penalties by himself. The other team could not corner him because Orr was 5 moves ahead of them. The closest comparison to Orrs skating and game time where with all is to watch Connor McDavid for the Oilers.

Unfortunately, Orr played in a time where injuring the other player was acceptable. Player safety did not exist in the NHL. No helmets and the goalies wore flimsy Freddy Krueger masks facing blistering slap shots from the likes of Bobby Hull and others. Blackhawks Goon Keith Magnuson deliberately went after Orrs knees shortening his career. Orr is the GOAT.

As a rule I ignore your posts but some cry out to be corrected. Almost every time you attempt to do 'hockey talk' you show just how little you know about it. It's one thing to not be knowledgeable, it's another to just make **** up. Orr was not paired with Ted Green. If they were on the ice together it was never by design but the result of a botched on the fly change that was corrected quickly. Orr's primary D partner was Dallas Smith, during even strength play they were practically welded together. Any real puckhead familiar with Orr's career knows that.

Ted Green's fractured skull was not the result of getting 'hit in the head with a puck.' He was injured by Wayne Maki in probably the most infamous stick fight in NHL history. Both players were charged with assault FFS. That incident had a profound impact on the game but somehow you come up with Green getting hit in the head with a puck, smdh. Again, this is something any real puckhead would know. Green did have some trouble finding his stride coming back but a fair argument could be made he played most of the best hockey of his career afterwards, a career that continued for another decade btw. He just didn't play it next to Bobby Orr.

Keith Magnuson was not a 'goon' he was a hardnosed even chippy D-man. Goons of that era fought nightly and Magnuson sucked at it. He did not target Orr's knees. In fact he was infamous for hitting Orr from behind and Orr laid a couple of legendary beat downs on him for it. Our Bobby is a nice guy superstar but he had a real temper on the ice and he coul really let fly. Orr's original knee injury occured as a result of a routine pinch off check along the boards that caught his knee at an awkward angle. Arguably the most well known hit on Orr's knee was from HoF'er Frank Mahovlich and while ugly it couldn't be construed as a deliberate target it was more of a boneheaded unthinking gotta slow him down on the way by leg to leg type done by even some greats in the speed of the moment.

Please stop making **** up in your attempts at passing yourself off as someone who knows anything about hockey. You clearly do not.

 

[stinkypete]

Williams at 10 is absurdly low. I agree with putting Papi ahead of him. Pedro is a stretch. Borque? No way.

 

[Thelonious]

Orr basically played defense by himself when paired with Teddy Green. No knock on Green after he got hit in the head with a puck. The players did not wear helmets back then. Teddy Green was never the same player after his injury. Orr killed Boston penalties by himself. The other team could not corner him because Orr was 5 moves ahead of them. The closest comparison to Orrs skating and game time where with all is to watch Connor McDavid for the Oilers.

Unfortunately, Orr played in a time where injuring the other player was acceptable. Player safety did not exist in the NHL. No helmets and the goalies wore flimsy Freddy Krueger masks facing blistering slap shots from the likes of Bobby Hull and others. Blackhawks Goon Keith Magnuson deliberately went after Orrs knees shortening his career. Orr is the GOAT.

Yep. And they couldn't really do much then surgically for knee injuries. As for masks, do you remember Gump Worsley, whom I think was the last goalie to play w/o a mask? His face looked like a rough sketch of a human face, which I guess makes sense if you think of all those stitch drawings on Gerry Cheevers' mask.

 

[Thelonious]

As a rule I ignore your posts but some cry out to be corrected. Almost every time you attempt to do 'hockey talk' you show just how little you know about it. It's one thing to not be knowledgeable, it's another to just make **** up. Orr was not paired with Ted Green. If they were on the ice together it was never by design but the result of a botched on the fly change that was corrected quickly. Orr's primary D partner was Dallas Smith, during even strength play they were practically welded together. Any real puckhead familiar with Orr's career knows that.

Ted Green's fractured skull was not the result of getting 'hit in the head with a puck.' He was injured by Wayne Maki in probably the most infamous stick fight in NHL history. Both players were charged with assault FFS. That incident had a profound impact on the game but somehow you come up with Green getting hit in the head with a puck, smdh. Again, this is something any real puckhead would know. Green did have some trouble finding his stride coming back but a fair argument could be made he played most of the best hockey of his career afterwards, a career that continued for another decade btw. He just didn't play it next to Bobby Orr.

Keith Magnuson was not a 'goon' he was a hardnosed even chippy D-man. Goons of that era fought nightly and Magnuson sucked at it. He did not target Orr's knees. In fact he was infamous for hitting Orr from behind and Orr laid a couple of legendary beat downs on him for it. Our Bobby is a nice guy superstar but he had a real temper on the ice and he coul really let fly. Orr's original knee injury occured as a result of a routine pinch off check along the boards that caught his knee at an awkward angle. Arguably the most well known hit on Orr's knee was from HoF'er Frank Mahovlich and while ugly it couldn't be construed as a deliberate target it was more of a boneheaded unthinking gotta slow him down on the way by leg to leg type done by even some greats in the speed of the moment.

Please stop making **** up in your attempts at passing yourself off as someone who knows anything about hockey. You clearly do not.

I think I remember Dallas Smith getting hit in the face (eye?) with a puck. He spun around and blood flew all over the place. I don't remember if it was a career-ending injury, but it was a big deal at the time. I mostly listened on the radio back then. Bob Wilson is still the voice of hockey to me.

 

[Steve102]

Bob Wilson is still the voice of hockey to me.

Bob was a customer at a dealership that I worked at. His influence was why I became a B's fan. I am not a knowledgeable fan, but I enjoy watching them, and fondly remember Bob sitting in my office, teaching me a little bit about the game. He was a gentleman in the truest sense of the word.

 

[Zuma]

I must agree.

The Sox and Celts owned Boston until Brady.

Good list. I’d swap Pedro and Teddy.

 

[maust]

I think I remember Dallas Smith getting hit in the face (eye?) with a puck. He spun around and blood flew all over the place. I don't remember if it was a career-ending injury, but it was a big deal at the time. I mostly listened on the radio back then. Bob Wilson is still the voice of hockey to me.

I don't recall Smith missing significant time due to injury but I do recall him playing with a seriously ripped up fizz. He was widely regarded as the NHL's strongest man and arguably one of its toughest. Players back then were so concerned with losing their spot to injury they were all like The Black Knight, everything was but a flesh wound. I can recall Dallas Smith literally picking up an opponent and throwing him bodily into the net. He actually retired on his own terms as a Ranger due to skill and speed erosion. Helluva stay at home defenseman and positionally incredibly sound. He took a lot of worries off Orr as far as letting Bobby not fear leaving his team high and dry taking an offensive step

Bob Wilson remains to this day the best radio play by play guy I've ever heard. The way he kept up you could put on the radio and turn down the TV and not miss a beat. Which thanks to the UHF reception some nights was neccesary. There were times you could get sound but not a decent pic and vice versa. And brother, the pipes on that man

 

[Triumph]

Yep. And they couldn't really do much then surgically for knee injuries. As for masks, do you remember Gump Worsley, whom I think was the last goalie to play w/o a mask? His face looked like a rough sketch of a human face, which I guess makes sense if you think of all those stitch drawings on Gerry Cheevers' mask.

The goalie masks back then were useless. Getting hit in the face with a slapshot had to have left a bruise.

 

[Triumph]

Good list. I’d swap Pedro and Teddy.

Boston has been blessed.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

1. russ
2. brady
3. ortiz
4. orr
5. williams
6. bird
7. havlicek
8. pedro
9. bourque
10.cousy

just using the first list and after seeing them all play, tho ted was near the end, this is my list. just one old bubs opinion.


ps: all these guys were clutch but ortiz, man, was crazy clutch. every big moment we needed him he showed up.