Patriots about to make a BIG mistake?

[rochrist]

He's the #3 overall pick. If he doesn't start week 1, he's on bust alert. If he doesn't play at all, he's likely a bust. If he can't beat out Jacoby Brissett...as the #3 overall pick, then something is very, very wrong.

Nonsense. He as widely billed as being a very talented PROJECT who would need development. They've been crystal clear about that from Day One on. He'll play this year, just not the first few games and no, that doesn't put him on bust alert, it puts him on the path they projected for him.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Biggest mistake has already been made by not drafting/acquiring an OT.

 

[sb1]

He's the #3 overall pick. If he doesn't start week 1, he's on bust alert. If he doesn't play at all, he's likely a bust. If he can't beat out Jacoby Brissett...as the #3 overall pick, then something is very, very wrong.

Nathan Peterman "won" the starter role in Buffalo over Josh Allen in Allen's rookie year. I don't think Maye sitting is an indication he's a bust.

 

[Fuzz]

Biggest mistake has already been made by not drafting/acquiring an OT.

Except for the fact that they did draft and acquire OT's.

 

[Triumph]

Agreed. Maye is best thing the team can hope for. Simply by converting 3rd downs and sustainable drives would be a welcomed sight. Of all those teams mentioned the Texans IMO have the most skill position guys to cover.

What about the Bengals? The 49ers?

This team is shooting for 8 wins.

 

[JMC00]

The flipside of that is the Texans' David Carr and Colts' Andrew Luck, who had opportunities to be great but got ruined by playing behind terrible offensive lines. I don't know that I have a strong opinion either way, but it kind of depends on how bad our line really is.

David Carr ruined David Carr by holding onto the ball too long and being a statue in the pocket. Andrew Luck retiring was a mental/personal thing, not an OL thing, guy threw 40 TDs and was only sacked 18 times his final season

 

[Grogan14]

If the draft were to be redone tomorrow, I would not choose Maye. Lack of experience, too many flaws to correct, lack of big time game experience.
Williams, Daniels, McCarthy and Nix have all had more promising preseason showings than Maye. Penix gets an incomplete.

If Pats had taken the Vikings trade offer they could have had BOTH McCarthy (or Nix) and Xavier Legette.
While McCarthy is out this year, supposedly he looked phenomenal in training camp and is much more mobile than Maye.

So far there is nothing that Maye has shown that makes you say WOW. He is a drop back pocket QB with a good arm and average to above average ability to play outside the pocket...that is pretty much it. HOT TAKE WARNING: Maye has bust potential written all over him. Hope I am wrong but we won't know until 2025 most likely

Do not bother with the dislikes, ughs or I don't agrees. I know this will be unpopular but I speak my mind and admit I am wrong sometimes.

 

[Kdo5]

It's been a theory of mine for the last several seasons that the Patriots have an internal policy of telegraphing every big move they make by teasing it through the Boston sports media before it happens. This allows them to gauge fans initial response and then proceed to build popular momentum for any big move so that it's palatable to the fanbase by the time it happens. This way ownership takes minimal criticism and the all important bottom line remains unimpacted.
I'll leave historical examples of this behavior for another thread, because what I really want to talk about is the 180 the media pulled after the Eagles preseason game...

Every other article I've read out of Boston Media outlets (and sports radio) is favorably reciting the same talking points about Drake Maye's performance against the Eagles and his "progression" in the "competition" for QB 1. If you only read the media and didn't watch the game you'd think he must have had an exceptional outing.

REALITY: Maye went 6/11 throwing for 47 yards, with no TD's, no Int's, and took a sack. He averaged 4.3 yards per passing attempt and had a QB rating of... 65.3 He RAN the ball 4 times and scored a touchdown... This was in a preseason game where every defense is vanilla and no one is game-planning and to put it into perspective our more-than-likely starter put up a stat line reminiscent of Tim Tebow...

Drake Maye is going to start... He's going to start this season... And he'll probably start in the first four weeks of the season (potentially game 1). I say this just based on what the media and now Jerod Mayo have started to intimate, because I've seen this media about-face and blitz too many times in the last three years to expect anything but follow through...

I can't overstate how big a mistake this would be... This Rookie QB should be brought along as the final complimentary piece of an already seasoned offense, not asked to carry the worst offensive line and receiving group in the NFL mere months after battling the likes Campbell, Appalachian state, and Duke...

What do you think about him starting this season - or even game 1?

It wasn’t so much Maye’s stat line as it was a few of the throws which made you go okay he has shown of the tools and instincts we read about going into the draft.

That being said I agree with your overall argument. He shouldn’t start for at least the first 8-10 games. Ideally he sits until the final weeks where we can ease him in in meaningless games to grow confidence.

If the environment is looking decent for Maye to exceed expectations that probably means the offense hasn’t been a total disaster and Brissett has been alright.

 

[Kdo5]

Nonsense. He as widely billed as being a very talented PROJECT who would need development. They've been crystal clear about that from Day One on. He'll play this year, just not the first few games and no, that doesn't put him on bust alert, it puts him on the path they projected for him.

These people do not understand the damage caused to a young QB by throwing him into the fire behind a dumpster fire OL and weak receiving group.

We just watched what happened with Mac Jones and Zappe for that matter. And now they want to do it again with Maye!

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I think it is imperative brissett start the first 8 or 9 games for us! Maye is just not ready yet. He needs more work under center and in the playbook before he can take the field.

 

[stinkypete]

I prefer Maye be given the reins late in the season. However, I'm not worried about wrecking the kid's mind. This isn't Mac coming from an offense of future pro-bowlers, crappy offenses are all Maye knows.

I am worried about wrecking the kid's body.

 

[Real fan 02]

What about the Bengals? The 49ers?

This team is shooting for 8 wins.

They do too. But chase may not be playing week 1. On the 49ers -Take away mcaffree and you affect thier offense. When they had that 3 game skid last season that's what teams did. The Texans IMO I feel have a dangerous WR corp and each guy has to be accounted for.

 

[Real fan 02]

These people do not understand the damage caused to a young QB by throwing him into the fire behind a dumpster fire OL and weak receiving group.

We just watched what happened with Mac Jones and Zappe for that matter. And now they want to do it again with Maye!

I've resigned to the fact Brissett is going to be the starter. When maye daye is ready I'm sure Mayo will play him. I do think Brissett will be on borrowed time though.

 

[Mike the Brit]

The sad truth is that the Patriots have already made a BIG MISTAKE.

In March they said: let's sign an experienced, reliable back-up quarterback. He will:

1. Win us some games
2. Act as a mentor
3. Protect an inexperienced quarterback, especially if our O-line isn't strong

The trouble is that Brissett is so bad he won't win games. His inaccuracy and slow decision-making will lose games and hold back the development of the offense.

As for the other two things, $7 million will buy you a lot of quarterback coaching (and you've already got an OC, a QB coach, a special offensive coaching assistant and lord knows what else -- how many more people does Maye need breathing down his neck?). And, if you needed a crash-test dummy to play the position, you had Mac Jones.

If it were me, I'd cut Brissett tomorrow and go with the other three quarterbacks on the roster. If you don't think Maye is ready to start and you don't have any confidence in your O-line, start Zappe. At least he's better than Brissett.

But this won't happen because it would involve whoever pushed for the signing (AVP?) admitting he made a mistake -- and that won't happen in an organization where everyone is new and under scrutiny.

 

[Grogan14]

I think Brisset should get a fair chance before he is labeled as “terrible”. He had one bad preseason game. Means nothing.
He is not winning a super bowl but he does not “stink”.
He is tough and experienced.

 

[Mike the Brit]

I think Brisset should het a fair chance before he is labeled as “terrible”. He had one bad preseason game.

No. He had two bad pre-season games in my opinion (see Carolina post-game thread).

He was also very poor when the Pats played the Browns in 22:

Means nothing.

Unfortunately, I don't think that's true. I'd agree that looking good in pre-season doesn't mean a quarterback will be good in the NFL (think Jared Stidham) but I cannot think of any quarterback who looked bad in pre-season who turned out to be good when the games matter.
But this is just my opinion.

I'm prepared to give it now -- but, as a Pats fan, I hope I'm wrong, of course.

 

[sb1]

No. He had two bad pre-season games in my opinion (see Carolina post-game thread).

He was also very poor when the Pats played the Browns in 22:





Unfortunately, I don't think that's true. I'd agree that looking good in pre-season doesn't mean a quarterback will be good in the NFL (think Jared Stidham) but I cannot think of any quarterback who looked bad in pre-season who turned out to be good when the games matter.
But this is just my opinion.

I'm prepared to give it now -- but, as a Pats fan, I hope I'm wrong, of course.

Cassel I guess

 

[Kdo5]

I think Brisset should het a fair chance before he is labeled as “terrible”. He had one bad preseason game. Means nothing.
He is not winning a super bowl but he does not “stink”.
He is tough and experienced.

Agreed. The guy throws one bad interception and you’d think he is the worst QB in the NFL based on the reactions.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Cassel I guess

Yes, good example. But, of course, he was very inexperienced (hadn't even started in college!) and he took a long time to settle in during the 08 season. But he was indeed good by the end. Not so confident that Brissett will have that trajectory.

 

[raduray]

He threw 40 interceptions his first two seasons.

It's rare for a rookie QB to shine their first year. A lot of great QB's struggled first season or two. Part of that, I'm sure, is that the top college QB's go to bad teams given the nature of the draft process.