Dotson to eagles. Wake up Wolfe

[Steve102]

Yeah? We are one FA WR1 and 1 day 2 WR draft pick away from being as good or better than the Eagles' WR room.

And I like our #3/#4/#5 guys far better. There is a reason why John Ross is in Eagles' camp and why they traded for Dotson. One A.J. tweaked ankle...coverages roll over to Smith's side....

I think your assessment is fair. Brown and Smith are better than our top 2. Other than that, sure. My question is how important are WRs when you get into the 4's and 5's. There's a reason those guys are 4's and 5's on every team. The only reason half these guys get any love in the league is because a 4 or 5 guy plays well on a winning team, get's to FA and gets paid. So now fans think of him as a 2 or maybe even a 1, but he's still a 3 at best. The Pats, under Bill anyway, tried to get it done with 3's 4's and 5's more than once, and more than once, Brady *****ed and they upgraded to get him top flight slots and occasionally brought in a 1. (Moss, Cooks). The difference being that, at least in the second half of the run, they had the best TE in the league, which helps raise the level of pass catchers by a lot, even without a true 1.

Do they need a 1? No, if they have a 1 at TE or slot. If they have JAG TEs and serviceable slots (Pop), then yeah, they need a 1. Somewhere, there has to be The Guy on the roster that you get the ball to when it's crunch time. I don't care where he lines up. There needs to be a difference maker.

 

[Ring 6]

No, no, no you do not want to trade away draft picks. Remember that a Patriots third rounder will be, like, the first or second pick in the third round. I hope not, but I think that will be the case.

Also remember that the Patriots are finding it almost impossible to sign quality free agents since no player wants to come to a basement dweller team that may turn into a dumper fire as the season progresses. The only way to get an elite player to come to the Patriots to draft him and so far, well it is not looking that good....we will see if a player like Poke is as good as AD Mitchell.

They found it almost impossible because they didn’t try. Tennessee signed a ton of free agents.

 

[Ring 6]

I think your assessment is fair. Brown and Smith are better than our top 2. Other than that, sure. My question is how important are WRs when you get into the 4's and 5's. There's a reason those guys are 4's and 5's on every team. The only reason half these guys get any love in the league is because a 4 or 5 guy plays well on a winning team, get's to FA and gets paid. So now fans think of him as a 2 or maybe even a 1, but he's still a 3 at best. The Pats, under Bill anyway, tried to get it done with 3's 4's and 5's more than once, and more than once, Brady *****ed and they upgraded to get him top flight slots and occasionally brought in a 1. (Moss, Cooks). The difference being that, at least in the second half of the run, they had the best TE in the league, which helps raise the level of pass catchers by a lot, even without a true 1.

Do they need a 1? No, if they have a 1 at TE or slot. If they have JAG TEs and serviceable slots (Pop), then yeah, they need a 1. Somewhere, there has to be The Guy on the roster that you get the ball to when it's crunch time. I don't care where he lines up. There needs to be a difference maker.

Finding a team with provide level 1 and 2 and question marks after that and comparing to us with Usfl level 1 and 2 and question marks beyond that is simply saying there is a team with good WRs and question marks to compare to our team with no good WRs and question marks.

 

[50-yard-line]

We already have a disappointing high draft pick WR and they are seeing something in camp I have not seen yet in games:

I have no faith in Thornton. I would love to be proven wrong.

 

[50-yard-line]

So we don’t want to get players and try to win until we have his players? Do you not see the illogic in that.


Are you really telling me that when last season ended and you considered what you hoped would happen this off season, they outdid what you hoped for?

Oh hell no! I was ready for a moonshot...but then the league added something like $30 million to the cap and the FA pool dried up to slim pickings, and the ONE good WR left was grossly overpaid on a helluva gamble.

There were a couple of defensive guys I wished they had nabbed...but the D looks pretty good to me anyway.

I'll wait until next off-season to Monday Morning QB. This year was weird. The top-rated OLs were Brown and Onwenu and I didn't want Brown back (guy just wore me out). The best TE was Henry, and Hooper was one of the best.

Yes, it was frustrating, but without a bunch of improvements on the market sitting at any position, it was a seller's market.

So I'm not sure who they missed that has you so upset (for the record, I was glad thy didn't get Ridley or even Aiyuk for the prices paid).

 

[Brotherblues]

I have no faith in Thornton. I would love to be proven wrong.

I am so reeled back in. I'm just pure and innocent like that.

 

[Ring 6]

Oh hell no! I was ready for a moonshot...but then the league added something like $30 million to the cap and the FA pool dried up to slim pickings, and the ONE good WR left was grossly overpaid on a helluva gamble.

There were a couple of defensive guys I wished they had nabbed...but the D looks pretty good to me anyway.

I'll wait until next off-season to Monday Morning QB. This year was weird. The top-rated OLs were Brown and Onwenu and I didn't want Brown back (guy just wore me out). The best TE was Henry, and Hooper was one of the best.

Yes, it was frustrating, but without a bunch of improvements on the market sitting at any position, it was a seller's market.

So I'm not sure who they missed that has you so upset (for the record, I was glad thy didn't get Ridley or even Aiyuk for the prices paid).

There were dozens of players available.
I could see your argument if we were a contender with a couple of holes that were tough to fill, but we are a 4 win team with holes throughout the roster that we just didn’t address.
If you are weak at WR and below average on the DL and LB struggling yo get a WR doesn’t mean you shouldn’t improve DL and LB and that it doesn’t make you better.

 

[Fuzz]

There were dozens of players available.
I could see your argument if we were a contender with a couple of holes that were tough to fill, but we are a 4 win team with holes throughout the roster that we just didn’t address.
If you are weak at WR and below average on the DL and LB struggling yo get a WR doesn’t mean you shouldn’t improve DL and LB and that it doesn’t make you better.

Not arguing with you, just trying to understand your argument - what are the holes they didn’t try to address?

LT is the obvious one, but there were no good options available and they are almost certainly planning to use their first pick next year on an LT.

 

[Ring 6]

Not arguing with you, just trying to understand your argument - what are the holes they didn’t try to address?

LT is the obvious one, but there were no good options available and they are almost certainly planning to use their first pick next year on an LT.

The entire roster. It’s a 4 win team. Unless rookies surprise we have not upgraded a single spot on the roster.

Are you telling me if we got a stud LT we are winning the SB?

 

[Fuzz]

The entire roster. It’s a 4 win team. Unless rookies surprise we have not upgraded a single spot on the roster.

Are you telling me if we got a stud LT we are winning the SB?

Yeah, that didn’t answer my question. That’s alright, I’ll carry on.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, that didn’t answer my question. That’s alright, I’ll carry on.

Of course it answered your question, we needed upgrades everywhere.
What position do you think we are all set and have no need to upgrade and couldn’t make the team better?
And we had 50 million to work with.

 

[Fuzz]

Of course it answered your question, we needed upgrades everywhere.
What position do you think we are all set and have no need to upgrade and couldn’t make the team better?
And we had 50 million to work with.

It didn’t answer my question because you’re just repeating the same post over and over again. I was obviously asking for you to go into more detail on which holes were completely unaddressed. Like I said, I wasn’t arguing with you, I was genuinely curious. But it doesn’t look like I’m going to get that answer, and I’m fine with that.

 

[Ring 6]

It didn’t answer my question because you’re just repeating the same post over and over again. I was obviously asking for you to go into more detail on which holes were completely unaddressed. Like I said, I wasn’t arguing with you, I was genuinely curious. But it doesn’t look like I’m going to get that answer, and I’m fine with that.

DT
DE
OLB
ILB
IOL
OT
CB
S (we play 3 safeties often and don’t have a decent #3)
RB2
WR

 

[Kdo5]

I don’t think Wolfe and Mayo have had a great start. I’d give it a C.

That being said it’s remarkable the amount of vitriol being hurled at these guys without a single regular season snap. I’m trying to think of a time where it’s been this strong a reaction already. I’d like to give it a little bit before I throw up my hands and call for them to be fired.

 

[Fuzz]

DT
DE
OLB
ILB
IOL
OT
CB
S (we play 3 safeties often and don’t have a decent #3)
RB2
WR

Thanks! So mostly defense then? I agree that they didn't do much to improve the defense, but I thought the defense looked solid last year. Not going to fault them for focusing on the offense this offseason. Of the offense positions, I disagree on the IOL and RB as I think they should be solid. WR is an unknown at this point - like you said, relying on a lot of young unproven players.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I don’t think Wolfe and Mayo have had a great start. I’d give it a C.

They look like what they are - first year on the jobs. Many of their moves have been amateur and some have already backfired. D- for me and that’s being nice. I thought Grier was terrible in the late 90’s. Wolf is trying hard to be an even worse GM.

That being said it’s remarkable the amount of vitriol being hurled at these guys without a single regular season snap. I’m trying to think of a time where it’s been this strong a reaction already

Are you referring to a few posters on this board or fans/media? The media wanted the entire staff fired in 2023, but backtracked immediately when Mayo was hired. It’s clear they were/are treading carefully because they didn’t want to be that guy that looks racist. They are a bunch of hypocrites.

I’d like to give it a little bit before I throw up my hands and call for them to be fired.

Of course they have to play the games, but Bob is asking for an inexperienced coach to take over for the greatest/most accomplished HC/DC of all time and turn around a 4 win team. History of inexperienced coaches/non coordinators leapfrogging to HC isn’t very good. The most recent examples are Mike Vrabel who did alright and currently Dan Campbell despite his poor in game decisions costing them a trip to the Super Bowl.

 

[Ring 6]

Thanks! So mostly defense then? I agree that they didn't do much to improve the defense, but I thought the defense looked solid last year. Not going to fault them for focusing on the offense this offseason. Of the offense positions, I disagree on the IOL and RB as I think they should be solid. WR is an unknown at this point - like you said, relying on a lot of young unproven players.

The defense was ranked 15th in pound allowed and 7th in yards. It has lost a number of key players and not added any.
Surely with whatever the “focus” on offense, the defense could have used some additions to replace those who left as well as to improve on what they had out of the 50,000,000 they didn’t need for their “focus” on offense.
Isn’t the point to get better?

If Onwenu ends up at tackle you have back to back 4th rounders at G with a combined total of 772 NFL snaps. Surely a veteran could have helped, since we had 50 mill to spare.
At RB rather than getting a 3rd down back who was phased out in Washington since we had a bonanza of cash why not go after a guy like Pollard and have 2 RB1s to share the load and be a run heavy team to support a rookie QB? Sure it’s an outside the box idea, but if you can’t figure out his to use the 50 million you have to improve the team (which people claim was true, and of course I disagree) wouldn’t you do whatever you can?
WR Woolf look a whole lot better if some veterans were brought in.
Chicago traded for Keenan Allen to give their qb someone to throw to and help him develop faster, why didn’t we consider that?
I could go on and on about ways to improve the team, and we had $50,000,000 to work with and really did pretty much nothing.

 

[Fuzz]

The defense was ranked 15th in pound allowed and 7th in yards. It has lost a number of key players and not added any.
Surely with whatever the “focus” on offense, the defense could have used some additions to replace those who left as well as to improve on what they had out of the 50,000,000 they didn’t need for their “focus” on offense.
Isn’t the point to get better?

If Onwenu ends up at tackle you have back to back 4th rounders at G with a combined total of 772 NFL snaps. Surely a veteran could have helped, since we had 50 mill to spare.
At RB rather than getting a 3rd down back who was phased out in Washington since we had a bonanza of cash why not go after a guy like Pollard and have 2 RB1s to share the load and be a run heavy team to support a rookie QB? Sure it’s an outside the box idea, but if you can’t figure out his to use the 50 million you have to improve the team (which people claim was true, and of course I disagree) wouldn’t you do whatever you can?
WR Woolf look a whole lot better if some veterans were brought in.
Chicago traded for Keenan Allen to give their qb someone to throw to and help him develop faster, why didn’t we consider that?
I could go on and on about ways to improve the team, and we had $50,000,000 to work with and really did pretty much nothing.

This is how I rank the needs on this team:

LT
WR1
RT
…
[Gap]
…
OLB
DT
K
Backup C
RB3

The top 3 are huge holes no doubt, but I don’t see the need to burn everything down and start from scratch. They should be able to address the large holes in another offseason. After that, QB play is going to be the biggest determining factor on whether this team can compete.

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t think Wolfe and Mayo have had a great start. I’d give it a C.

That being said it’s remarkable the amount of vitriol being hurled at these guys without a single regular season snap. I’m trying to think of a time where it’s been this strong a reaction already. I’d like to give it a little bit before I throw up my hands and call for them to be fired.

A C based upon the expectation of how many wins?
I honestly give them an F because they figure out a way to make a 4 win team worse.
But, you are correct, the final judgment happens on the field.
As of today we can only judge based upon what we think the result on the field is going to be.
I just can’t think if what rains there are to be optimistic based upon the roster today compared to the roster in 2023, not to mention the coaching staffs.

 

[Kdo5]

They look like what they are - first year on the jobs. Many of their moves have been amateur and some have already backfired. D- for me and that’s being nice. I thought Grier was terrible in the late 90’s. Wolf is trying hard to be an even worse GM.

Are you referring to a few posters on this board or fans/media? The media wanted the entire staff fired in 2023, but backtracked immediately when Mayo was hired. It’s clear they were/are treading carefully because they didn’t want to be that guy that looks racist. They are a bunch of hypocrites.

Of course they have to play the games, but Bob is asking for an inexperienced coach to take over for the greatest/most accomplished HC/DC of all time and turn around a 4 win team. History of inexperienced coaches/non coordinators leapfrogging to HC isn’t very good. The most recent examples are Mike Vrabel who did alright and currently Dan Campbell despite his poor in game decisions costing them a trip to the Super Bowl.

You give them a D-/F?

My issues are:

- Didn’t address OT
- AVP hire
- Could’ve tried to make more splashes in FA.

I still have to reserve judgement on AVP until I see an absolute disaster with no path to get better.

They tried to spend money on big name WRs but those guys had pretty much no interest in playing for this organization which has gone into the toilet due to horrible management the past few years.

They take a big time hit for the OL. But at the same time they resigned a number of good pieces and drafted the rookie QB that they should have drafted.

I just don’t think it’s an F grade right now.