Content Post Pats-Eagles All-22 Review of the Offense

[KCSVEN]

It's a long one:

Offense All-22 Review Eagles Game

I’ll go into some detail by position and then go thru the QB play in much more detail after.

Hot Takes: Scott Peters is a Phenomenal OL Coach, If we sign Higgins, draft a top 10 NFL LT, we will have a top 5 NFL offense in 2025, of course 2024 we don’t have that.

QB

Drake Maye was on his way to an A+ Pro Bowl level rating, and then the last 2 series happened, waffled between a B and B+ but for reasons I’ll go into decided B+ was the best grade.

Jacoby Brisset-Bad Footwork, bad reads, inaccuracy, as a 21 year old seems dumb to draft a guy #3 overall that needs this much work, the guy he is playing behind had good footwork, some perfect mechanics on several throws, went thru multiple reads, he just needs to watch this #10, he looks like a great mentor and having such a great player to sit behind is a great scenario…..errr, what? THIS GUY IS THE VETERAN? The other guy is a rookie? I joke, but if you gave this tape to random scouts with no identifiable info on the player and asked who the rookie is and who is the veteran, 100% pick Maye as the veteran, Maye showed some rookie mistakes a couple times, but 90% looked like a veteran and Jacoby 90% of the time looked like a Rookie.

Joe Milton-Looked same as last week. He is what he is, a 24 year old project. Next pre-season is when you will know 100% if Milton beats the odds or not, this year is 100% developmental year.

I also am OBSESSED with the idea of using this guy as a bigger, better Taysom Hill. He should also be out there for every 3rd and 4th and 1 with a Philly Tush Push. His athleticism is off the charts, he absolutely needs to line up as a Tight End inside the 10 yard line, how would you cover him, he can outjump you, he’s bigger than you and will box you out, he is fast. Can he catch? I’d say absolutely with those 10 ¼ inch hands! His measurable/combine #’s are slightly better than George Kittle.

Bailey Zappe-Played well, so much better than last week, looked like he could be an NFL backup, he looked better than Jacoby, could we have just started Bailey and not signed Jacoby? I think Jacoby brings a lot in terms of leadership and veteran knowledge that Maye can learn from so NO IMO but as a player, not much difference. But with Jacoby it makes Zappe redundant.

MY QB Depth chart:

• Drake Maye-By far the most ready to play now QB they have, even knowing he’ll make rookie mistakes
• Jacoby Brisset-He is what he is, perfect as a backup veteran
• Joe Milton-I BEG the Patriots to start the Tayshom Hill experiment with this guy PLEASE! Perfect #3 as a project with great natural athletic ability, just wish he was 2 years younger

WR

Douglas and Thornton are just open, and open and open. Jacoby can’t get them the ball. TT has been open so often and Jacoby doesn’t get him the ball. No catches is crazy for how often he’s been open. There have been limited plays but still. Baker is the other guy that gets open but his get open is later in his routes most of the time. Obviously has some drop issues but the guy can play in this league if he improves, his development will be key but there is no Brandon Aiyuk on this team. The next time KJ Osborn gets open will be the first time in 2 games he gets open. Polk still shows little ability to separate, again probably a future zone busting WR but one on one you can just take him out of the game. Boutte shows enough to keep, he just seems solid with excellent hands, good #3/4 receiver. I have no use for Reagor or KJ, really would be great for Kendrick Bourne to get back, they need the smart veteran WR out there. I think we are going to still be looking for a #1 WR next year.

MY WR Depth Chart:

• Douglas-He’s good but also kind of sad he’s your #1 guy.
• Kendrick Bourne-Assuming returns at full health
• Tyquan Thornton-I need to see them throw him the ball but guys getting open
• Javon Baker-Gets open sometimes, needs to work on hands and improving routes but is as gifted as any receiver they have, let him learn on the fly.
• Kayshon Boutte-Just solid, has really good hands, like to see him against better competition though
• Ja’Lynn Polk-Nice moves making guys miss on that 1 play. They said in the 1 practice he was uncoverable 1 on 1, just based on exhibition games he just doesn’t separate, after DeVante Parker experiment I’m a little negative on these types of receivers but he’s a rookie, has a lot to learn, but he has been outplayed by all the above, so he has to go here to me.
• Reagor/Osborn-I assume Osborn has made the team, and with Bourne likely to start the season off the 53 you probably can keep Boutte. My guess is when Kendrick is back they’d try to get Boutte to practice sqaud. I get it, Osborn is a veteran, has some success, signed by the new regime but it is 1 year $4 million, and I’ve seen ZERO good plays. Maybe if I cared enough to go back and look at 2023 tape I’d see why he’s a solid player, but don’t get him at all so far. I’d keep Boutte over him.

TE

Top 2 Tight Ends should be good, obviously no real tape on Hunter Henry in exhibition but Austin Hooper is solid. After that it is a crap shoot. Wilcox hustles and plays hard but continues to underwhelm as a blocker and receiver. Bell is only 6 feet 2 and 241 pounds; he got completely manhandled on 1 play trying to block. He’s a receiving TE only but that maybe makes him better than Wilcox who can’t do either but Wilcox has the athleticism and size?

MY TE Depth Chart:

• Hunter Henry-He’s good and clear #1 guy
• Austin Hooper-Have not heard much about him in camp but he appears solid
• Bell/Wilcox-I don’t care which one they keep, I assume if they keep 3 TE on the roster it is Wilcox and then Bell to practice squad but they need to add depth here next off season

RB

Seems like the running backs, other than Rhamondre, get what’s there but nothing more. Very boring group. When your top back gets 6 carries and then only 9 other carries total by RB not much to go on. Blitz pickup has been consistently good. Harris looks like a keeper, runs hard, not shifty but keeps moving forward. Gibson has been meh, not bad, not great.

MY RB Depth Chart:

• Rhamondre Stevenson-Shades of him from a couple years ago, looks healthy, need him to stay that way, he’ll be fine if healthy
• Kevin Harris-Want to see more touches, seems to be an NFL quality RB but so little opportunity to show it with so few carries
• Antonio Gibson-Has to be the 3rd down back, not exciting but will get the job done adequately.
• Jamycal Hasty-Not sure you’d notice if he swapped jerseys with Gibson, they just both seem to be run of the mill NFL RB’s with Gibson’s previous success he gets the nod.

OL

If I could name 1 Lineman that has the most chance of making the Pro Bowl, it is easy: Sidy Sow. He did have one not great play where he got bull rushed back but otherwise he’s great. Onwenu is excellent, had 1 play he whiffed. With the Sow-Andrews-Onwenu combo I see why they want them together. Sow makes playing guard look easy. If we only had a Left Tackle. Aaaargh, the missing piece!

It was a very solid showing by the offensive line. Antonio Mafi stood out in a bad way. Michael Jordan was the surprise player of the day on the line, NO WAY Mafi should make the team over Jordan. Jordan has clearly taken to the new coaching his hand work was phenomenal, stunned one DL with a hand punch on one play. Not an all-pro by any stretch but played very well, I think with the coaching they may have a sleeper in Jordan. My notes had him bad last week, he had 3 complete whiffs on running plays, 3 plays like that sound bad, should be bad. I went and re-watched every play from the Carolina game he was in on, and he played a lot. His worst play was pulling from right guard spot to get the LB crashing in, he took a bad angle, LB ran around him and got RB in backfield. Just a bad angle. The other 2 bad plays he was quickly beat to outside, once at LG, once as RG, but play was run to middle so had no real bearing on the play in the end. Otherwise, he looked like he did this week, great use of hands, good base, pass protection was 100% good. By far the surprise of the line.

Vederian Lowe had 2 bad plays (the one where Jacoby slipped and the Maye sack), 2 stand out bad plays, but otherwise was fine. Anderson was completely man handled on 1 play and beaten with Mafi on the last drive. Lowe was much better this week, still obviously not what you want from a LT but 2 bad plays was way less than last week. Obviously, a concern going against the top pass rushers. If we only had a Left Tackle, Aaaargh, the missing piece!

Overall, the lineman mostly played pretty well, Wallace had no bad reps. Robinson can flat out run block, Onwenu was a standout except for 1 play where he whiffed. Hard to tell but looked like both fumbled snaps were on the QB not the center. Mafi did not play well and solidly beaten twice, looks slow. Sidy Sow had the one play he was just driven straight back and Leverett was lost on who to block one play but that’s nitpicking a bit, overall the group, Wallace, Chuks and Andrews etc. were way more good than bad. It really seems to stand out the hand usage and technique on many of the lineman is very good, I think the new Line coach might really know what he is doing. They clearly cleaned up some base setting issues from last week with Wallace, next week they’ll refine his hands. He had some plays great hand work, others he was close to holding. Improvement for sure and all at RT where I think that’s his spot long term, I think they locked the future RT spot down with Wallace. If we only had a Left Tackle, Aaaargh, the missing piece!

There is still a lack of natural talent at the Left Tackle spot particularly but beginning to think the line coach is going to get the most out of this talent, whatever level that is, very promising tape, with those caveats on lack of talent at Tackle. They draft the left tackle next year and hit this line is going to be really good next year.

MY Offensive Line Depth Chart:

They seem to have a plethora of guys that show they can play inside. I think Michael Jordan can start this year for example. Mafi got to go, Anderson has been weak, but I think they want him to backup LT. I hate to say it but I am really leaning toward just trusting this line coach, you can just see the coaching on every play. The technique for some is inconsistent but you can see them all with good technique on many plays. You give this guy a top talent LT and he’ll make the line one of the best in the league, very impressed. Of course, we don’t have even an average talent LT so buzz kill for 2024. If we only had a Left Tackle, Aaaargh, the missing piece!

Not being able to see much at LT outside of Lowe it is hard to project and seems they are set on Lowe there and Chuk to RT. Lowe was still the LT until Maye left, you just can’t see if Wallace or Chuk can play LT better than Lowe because no tape.

I really, think they should find a way to keep Jordan but if they keep Onwenu at guard then they need to keep an extra backup tackle or find one after cuts.

Locks: Okorafor, Lowe, Andrews, Sow, Onwenu, Wallace, Robinson, Leverett. Do they keep a 9th? Are they currently on the roster? I’d keep Jordan and if Lowe fails, Chuks to LT and Wallace to RT, last shot is Onwenu to RT and Wallace or Chuks to LT. If we only had a Left Tackle, Aaaargh, the missing piece!

 

[KCSVEN]

QB in more detail

I wont touch on Zappe, he played Well but think they are cutting him so doesn’t matter.

Brissett-Not spending a ton of time on him but on every play he had guys open that he did not see. I’d go thru every brutal play but everyone’s impression that he was bad, is correct. On the interception he had TT and he had Douglas as possible throws, chose to throw a pick to a covered guy. His footwork was bad, did not go thru reads and was inaccurate. He is what the people that never watched Drake Maye in college claim are things Drake Maye needs to work on.

Milton-I’d rather have seen Milton start with the starters and Jacoby mop up. Patriots need to use his great athletic ability while trying to see if they can get him to be an NFL QB. First play, he made the wrong read, had a wide open Bell but thru to a covered guy. Next was run-option, made right read on that and kept ball. Next play good pocket movement hit crosser Wallis. Fumbled snap play followed by good throw to Boutte. Followed with Miscommunication on blitz adjustment with Boutte, All-22 says Boutte was right but from behind QB I see why Milton thought otherwise, just a decision route I don’t blame him for.

Rookie play: Went the wrong way on a fake handoff bootleg, then threw to deep Walis when had an open receiver short, just not a good play. Next the Scramble was good, had 2 tight window options that passed on but decision was fine to run. Mafi then got beat badly inside, Milton could have stepped up maybe but did not. Mafi fault. Threw a poorly placed screen pass as still struggles with accuracy and touch.

In hindsight Maye should have been named starter day 1, Milton should have gotten the most next reps, we know what Brissett is, he would likely be the backup but we could see Milton develop a bit with better players. On tape he’s a great athlete with great arm strength and build but has other skills are currently lacking to be an NFL QB, but we needed to see him with more opportunity to develop those skills. Now they SHOULD use him in special situations to take advantage of his unique skill set.

Maye-Future All-Pro Maye was there, dropping Big Time Throws, doing it all, and then Rookie Drake Maye showed up and you realize, DAMN, let the dude play so he can get rookie Maye out of his system and just be all pro Maye!

Highlight Plays: Great throw on the incut. Perfect dropped in ball to Baker who dropped it but probably did so because he knew he was out of bounds and then back in, did have second option of TE coming open over middle but he hit the wr in the hands that would have gotten them near the end zone, all-pro level throw. Then bootleg throw short with rusher in face, Properly checked out of blitz, note that Jacoby failed to do that earlier in the game. Made proper read on QB option for TD. Had scramble late that was a good read and call and made the great pocket movement and throw to Baker 50 yards downfield, all-pro throw there. It overall was very high level QB play. Onto a few plays that were bad or hard to decipher:

Threw high to the flat out of shotgun, was caught so not too high and didn’t effect the yardage so result was moot but yeah a little high. Not a great throw with fine result.

Short pass to Baker, Looked like Maye expected Baker to go up field more, Baker saw the LB and stopped, you can see Maye hesitate his arm as he was throwing, clearly miscommunication, however looks like Baker made right read so on Maye for that 1. I think he did not see the middle LB or thought he was not as close. Bad on Maye.

Fumble snap-Can’t do it, but rookie that never played under center, that’s why we get reps in games.

The pass interference call on Baker, initial look I though maybe overthrown. I’ve watched this play 50 times, I timed Baker to see where he would have been if not interfered, it was at worst illegal contact but on review 100% correct interference call and where the ball landed is the yard line Baker would have been at, I timed his speed and calculated that out. Until I saw the end zone all-22 I would have said a bit high, probably a finger tip catch or miss, but the end zone view looks like a perfect ball, so 50-50 on whether it was slightly high. Solid to Good throw overall in a tight window. Changed my B to a B+ after realizing throw was not bad.

On one scramble I thought he could have thrown first read for 4-5 yards and then when scrambling could have hit flat for 4-5 yards, he ran for 4-5 yards instead. He looked at both guys, I think he should have thrown to one of them. Maybe he thought he could get more yards running but he didn’t and then took a hit.

The quick slant/incut to the right was covered. But this whole play I can’t figure out. Baker doesn’t look right away, so if a quick slant, why not? Maye never really looks to throw it and off it right away and immediately looks to run middle, but can’t as lineman being blocked is right there. I am completely confused what he was coached to do vs what he did. My best guess is: He looks left to draw the LB away from Baker, LB does not bite so when he looks right back to Baker, the LB goes that way so that play is taken away, I think he then wants to run but can’t. I don’t know if that’s what he was coached or not. He scrambles left but nobody on the left is open. He should have stopped after scrambling left a bit, as Baker clears the LB eventually but logically QB’s rolling left are not looking right. He should have read the leverage of the LT, stayed inside that block and reset. Once he continued rolling throwing it away right call. So, good look off, didn’t work, abandoned play, good call, initially good movement in pocket, then the decision to keep going left was wrong. He left the pocket too soon, I think, unless play was, in cut, LB moves then run to vacated spot, then he didn’t. I’m grading it negative as I believe he should have moved back and left and reset. His key was the LB so pretty sure when he saw the LB move to Baker he figured he could get a bunch of yards vacating the spot, but then realized he couldn’t get up the middle.

Footwork and mechanics were better than Jacoby. Went thru reads better than Jacoby. Clearly outplayed Jacoby, we will see what Mayo decides.

Have concerns on WR group and LT, what else is new.

 

[dliverey44]

Fantastic review. I do not have access to all-22 so I can only give feedback on the OL. I agree that Lowe was better than last week, but his feet look very heavy to me and he struggles with outside speed and misdirection. Wallace looked good on the right side and not out of place on the left. He was obviously looked more comfortable on the right, but I think he could step in and be our LT starter because I do not think he will be worse than Lowe. Anderson is not good and Okorafor makes me nervous at RT.

I wholeheartedly agree with your take about Scott Peters (that strike system has been impressive and you can see OL counter after their initial punch is thwarted by the DL). Jordan has been a pleasant surprise but I am not sure he will make the 53. Robinson needs to rep with the ones soon and that means that Owenu will move to RT. I really want to see the OL made up of Wallace-Sow-Andrews-Robinson-Owenu mostly because I think this line would get more push in the run game.

@KCSVEN
I am curious on your take about the bolded OL above.

 

[KCSVEN]

Good Evan Lazar breakdown of the 1 play where Maye hit the in cut

 

[jimnance]

QB in more detail

I wont touch on Zappe, he played Well but think they are cutting him so doesn’t matter.

Brissett-Not spending a ton of time on him but on every play he had guys open that he did not see. I’d go thru every brutal play but everyone’s impression that he was bad, is correct. On the interception he had TT and he had Douglas as possible throws, chose to throw a pick to a covered guy. His footwork was bad, did not go thru reads and was inaccurate. He is what the people that never watched Drake Maye in college claim are things Drake Maye needs to work on.

Milton-I’d rather have seen Milton start with the starters and Jacoby mop up. Patriots need to use his great athletic ability while trying to see if they can get him to be an NFL QB. First play, he made the wrong read, had a wide open Bell but thru to a covered guy. Next was run-option, made right read on that and kept ball. Next play good pocket movement hit crosser Wallis. Fumbled snap play followed by good throw to Boutte. Followed with Miscommunication on blitz adjustment with Boutte, All-22 says Boutte was right but from behind QB I see why Milton thought otherwise, just a decision route I don’t blame him for.

Rookie play: Went the wrong way on a fake handoff bootleg, then threw to deep Walis when had an open receiver short, just not a good play. Next the Scramble was good, had 2 tight window options that passed on but decision was fine to run. Mafi then got beat badly inside, Milton could have stepped up maybe but did not. Mafi fault. Threw a poorly placed screen pass as still struggles with accuracy and touch.

In hindsight Maye should have been named starter day 1, Milton should have gotten the most next reps, we know what Brissett is, he would likely be the backup but we could see Milton develop a bit with better players. On tape he’s a great athlete with great arm strength and build but has other skills are currently lacking to be an NFL QB, but we needed to see him with more opportunity to develop those skills. Now they SHOULD use him in special situations to take advantage of his unique skill set.

Maye-Future All-Pro Maye was there, dropping Big Time Throws, doing it all, and then Rookie Drake Maye showed up and you realize, DAMN, let the dude play so he can get rookie Maye out of his system and just be all pro Maye!

Highlight Plays: Great throw on the incut. Perfect dropped in ball to Baker who dropped it but probably did so because he knew he was out of bounds and then back in, did have second option of TE coming open over middle but he hit the wr in the hands that would have gotten them near the end zone, all-pro level throw. Then bootleg throw short with rusher in face, Properly checked out of blitz, note that Jacoby failed to do that earlier in the game. Made proper read on QB option for TD. Had scramble late that was a good read and call and made the great pocket movement and throw to Baker 50 yards downfield, all-pro throw there. It overall was very high level QB play. Onto a few plays that were bad or hard to decipher:

Threw high to the flat out of shotgun, was caught so not too high and didn’t effect the yardage so result was moot but yeah a little high. Not a great throw with fine result.

Short pass to Baker, Looked like Maye expected Baker to go up field more, Baker saw the LB and stopped, you can see Maye hesitate his arm as he was throwing, clearly miscommunication, however looks like Baker made right read so on Maye for that 1. I think he did not see the middle LB or thought he was not as close. Bad on Maye.

Fumble snap-Can’t do it, but rookie that never played under center, that’s why we get reps in games.

The pass interference call on Baker, initial look I though maybe overthrown. I’ve watched this play 50 times, I timed Baker to see where he would have been if not interfered, it was at worst illegal contact but on review 100% correct interference call and where the ball landed is the yard line Baker would have been at, I timed his speed and calculated that out. Until I saw the end zone all-22 I would have said a bit high, probably a finger tip catch or miss, but the end zone view looks like a perfect ball, so 50-50 on whether it was slightly high. Solid to Good throw overall in a tight window. Changed my B to a B+ after realizing throw was not bad.

On one scramble I thought he could have thrown first read for 4-5 yards and then when scrambling could have hit flat for 4-5 yards, he ran for 4-5 yards instead. He looked at both guys, I think he should have thrown to one of them. Maybe he thought he could get more yards running but he didn’t and then took a hit.

The quick slant/incut to the right was covered. But this whole play I can’t figure out. Baker doesn’t look right away, so if a quick slant, why not? Maye never really looks to throw it and off it right away and immediately looks to run middle, but can’t as lineman being blocked is right there. I am completely confused what he was coached to do vs what he did. My best guess is: He looks left to draw the LB away from Baker, LB does not bite so when he looks right back to Baker, the LB goes that way so that play is taken away, I think he then wants to run but can’t. I don’t know if that’s what he was coached or not. He scrambles left but nobody on the left is open. He should have stopped after scrambling left a bit, as Baker clears the LB eventually but logically QB’s rolling left are not looking right. He should have read the leverage of the LT, stayed inside that block and reset. Once he continued rolling throwing it away right call. So, good look off, didn’t work, abandoned play, good call, initially good movement in pocket, then the decision to keep going left was wrong. He left the pocket too soon, I think, unless play was, in cut, LB moves then run to vacated spot, then he didn’t. I’m grading it negative as I believe he should have moved back and left and reset. His key was the LB so pretty sure when he saw the LB move to Baker he figured he could get a bunch of yards vacating the spot, but then realized he couldn’t get up the middle.

Footwork and mechanics were better than Jacoby. Went thru reads better than Jacoby. Clearly outplayed Jacoby, we will see what Mayo decides.

Have concerns on WR group and LT, what else is new.

Maye gave all of us hope in this game. You can see the progress already.
It was notable how Mayo has changed his tune on who will be the opening day starter. He said Maye had made major strides in this game and that the " competition is far from over".
He added that both Drake and Jacoby will play significant portions of next game and that, plus what they show in practice will determine the starter.
I was of the mind that it would benefit Drake to sit for the first 3 or 4 games to give him more time to learn the offense, work on mechanics and and mainly to
allow the ol to have a few games together to gel some. We know that the more consecutive games an ol plays with the same guys,the better they'll get. That's true for both talented and untalented ols.
But that was before the Eagles game and Jacoby just shocked me with how poorly he played.
I expect him to clean some of that up but
there's now a real chance Maye will earn the starters job for game#1.

 

[KCSVEN]

I really want to see the OL made up of Wallace-Sow-Andrews-Robinson-Owenu mostly because I think this line would get more push in the run game.

I don't see enough to think Wallace could play left tackle. He was better this week, but at RT
Expecting a rookie that didn't play left tackle to play left tackle in his rookie season seems like a risk.

I like the idea of developing him as your tight tackle starter next year and beyond and getting your left tackle in the draft next year. That gives you Sow, Onwenu and Wallace as good players, I think for 2025+2026 minimum if you add a good LT in the draft and all you need is to find Andrews Replacement.

He would be my first choice at RT and to move Chuks to LT if Lowe is terrible.

Robinson also need some work on pass blocking. Would be hard to have 2 rookies, 2rd and 4th rounders be 2 of your starters.

If Lowe is not a disaster they have the right group IMO

 

[jimnance]

Fantastic review. I do not have access to all-22 so I can only give feedback on the OL. I agree that Lowe was better than last week, but his feet look very heavy to me and he struggles with outside speed and misdirection. Wallace looked good on the right side and not out of place on the left. He was obviously looked more comfortable on the right, but I think he could step in and be our LT starter because I do not think he will be worse than Lowe. Anderson is not good and Okorafor makes me nervous at RT.

I wholeheartedly agree with your take about Scott Peters (that strike system has been impressive and you can see OL counter after their initial punch is thwarted by the DL). Jordan has been a pleasant surprise but I am not sure he will make the 53. Robinson needs to rep with the ones soon and that means that Owenu will move to RT. I really want to see the OL made up of Wallace-Sow-Andrews-Robinson-Owenu mostly because I think this line would get more push in the run game.

@KCSVEN
I am curious on your take about the bolded OL above.

I agree about Okorafor. From what little I've seen, Chuks is the worst of the 5 starters, worse than Lowe.

 

[KCSVEN]

The full video breakdown of Maye from Lazar is within this article. He hits on pretty much everything I saw, I pretty much agree with everything he wrote. He goes into more detail as to how bad Jacoby has been. He is currently unplayable.

After Further Review: Breaking Down QB Drake Maye’s Preseason Performance vs. the Eagles

 

[mgteich]

It's a long one:

Offense All-22 Review Eagles Game

I’ll go into some detail by position and then go thru the QB play in much more detail after.

Hot Takes: Scott Peters is a Phenomenal OL Coach, If we sign Higgins, draft a top 10 NFL LT, we will have a top 5 NFL offense in 2025, of course 2024 we don’t have that.

QB

Drake Maye was on his way to an A+ Pro Bowl level rating, and then the last 2 series happened, waffled between a B and B+ but for reasons I’ll go into decided B+ was the best grade.

Jacoby Brisset-Bad Footwork, bad reads, inaccuracy, as a 21 year old seems dumb to draft a guy #3 overall that needs this much work, the guy he is playing behind had good footwork, some perfect mechanics on several throws, went thru multiple reads, he just needs to watch this #10, he looks like a great mentor and having such a great player to sit behind is a great scenario…..errr, what? THIS GUY IS THE VETERAN? The other guy is a rookie? I joke, but if you gave this tape to random scouts with no identifiable info on the player and asked who the rookie is and who is the veteran, 100% pick Maye as the veteran, Maye showed some rookie mistakes a couple times, but 90% looked like a veteran and Jacoby 90% of the time looked like a Rookie.

Joe Milton-Looked same as last week. He is what he is, a 24 year old project. Next pre-season is when you will know 100% if Milton beats the odds or not, this year is 100% developmental year.

I also am OBSESSED with the idea of using this guy as a bigger, better Taysom Hill. He should also be out there for every 3rd and 4th and 1 with a Philly Tush Push. His athleticism is off the charts, he absolutely needs to line up as a Tight End inside the 10 yard line, how would you cover him, he can outjump you, he’s bigger than you and will box you out, he is fast. Can he catch? I’d say absolutely with those 10 ¼ inch hands! His measurable/combine #’s are slightly better than George Kittle.

Bailey Zappe-Played well, so much better than last week, looked like he could be an NFL backup, he looked better than Jacoby, could we have just started Bailey and not signed Jacoby? I think Jacoby brings a lot in terms of leadership and veteran knowledge that Maye can learn from so NO IMO but as a player, not much difference. But with Jacoby it makes Zappe redundant.

MY QB Depth chart:

• Drake Maye-By far the most ready to play now QB they have, even knowing he’ll make rookie mistakes
• Jacoby Brisset-He is what he is, perfect as a backup veteran
• Joe Milton-I BEG the Patriots to start the Tayshom Hill experiment with this guy PLEASE! Perfect #3 as a project with great natural athletic ability, just wish he was 2 years younger

WR

Douglas and Thornton are just open, and open and open. Jacoby can’t get them the ball. TT has been open so often and Jacoby doesn’t get him the ball. No catches is crazy for how often he’s been open. There have been limited plays but still. Baker is the other guy that gets open but his get open is later in his routes most of the time. Obviously has some drop issues but the guy can play in this league if he improves, his development will be key but there is no Brandon Aiyuk on this team. The next time KJ Osborn gets open will be the first time in 2 games he gets open. Polk still shows little ability to separate, again probably a future zone busting WR but one on one you can just take him out of the game. Boutte shows enough to keep, he just seems solid with excellent hands, good #3/4 receiver. I have no use for Reagor or KJ, really would be great for Kendrick Bourne to get back, they need the smart veteran WR out there. I think we are going to still be looking for a #1 WR next year.

MY WR Depth Chart:

• Douglas-He’s good but also kind of sad he’s your #1 guy.
• Kendrick Bourne-Assuming returns at full health
• Tyquan Thornton-I need to see them throw him the ball but guys getting open
• Javon Baker-Gets open sometimes, needs to work on hands and improving routes but is as gifted as any receiver they have, let him learn on the fly.
• Kayshon Boutte-Just solid, has really good hands, like to see him against better competition though
• Ja’Lynn Polk-Nice moves making guys miss on that 1 play. They said in the 1 practice he was uncoverable 1 on 1, just based on exhibition games he just doesn’t separate, after DeVante Parker experiment I’m a little negative on these types of receivers but he’s a rookie, has a lot to learn, but he has been outplayed by all the above, so he has to go here to me.
• Reagor/Osborn-I assume Osborn has made the team, and with Bourne likely to start the season off the 53 you probably can keep Boutte. My guess is when Kendrick is back they’d try to get Boutte to practice sqaud. I get it, Osborn is a veteran, has some success, signed by the new regime but it is 1 year $4 million, and I’ve seen ZERO good plays. Maybe if I cared enough to go back and look at 2023 tape I’d see why he’s a solid player, but don’t get him at all so far. I’d keep Boutte over him.

TE

Top 2 Tight Ends should be good, obviously no real tape on Hunter Henry in exhibition but Austin Hooper is solid. After that it is a crap shoot. Wilcox hustles and plays hard but continues to underwhelm as a blocker and receiver. Bell is only 6 feet 2 and 241 pounds; he got completely manhandled on 1 play trying to block. He’s a receiving TE only but that maybe makes him better than Wilcox who can’t do either but Wilcox has the athleticism and size?

MY TE Depth Chart:

• Hunter Henry-He’s good and clear #1 guy
• Austin Hooper-Have not heard much about him in camp but he appears solid
• Bell/Wilcox-I don’t care which one they keep, I assume if they keep 3 TE on the roster it is Wilcox and then Bell to practice squad but they need to add depth here next off season

RB

Seems like the running backs, other than Rhamondre, get what’s there but nothing more. Very boring group. When your top back gets 6 carries and then only 9 other carries total by RB not much to go on. Blitz pickup has been consistently good. Harris looks like a keeper, runs hard, not shifty but keeps moving forward. Gibson has been meh, not bad, not great.

MY RB Depth Chart:

• Rhamondre Stevenson-Shades of him from a couple years ago, looks healthy, need him to stay that way, he’ll be fine if healthy
• Kevin Harris-Want to see more touches, seems to be an NFL quality RB but so little opportunity to show it with so few carries
• Antonio Gibson-Has to be the 3rd down back, not exciting but will get the job done adequately.
• Jamycal Hasty-Not sure you’d notice if he swapped jerseys with Gibson, they just both seem to be run of the mill NFL RB’s with Gibson’s previous success he gets the nod.

OL

If I could name 1 Lineman that has the most chance of making the Pro Bowl, it is easy: Sidy Sow. He did have one not great play where he got bull rushed back but otherwise he’s great. Onwenu is excellent, had 1 play he whiffed. With the Sow-Andrews-Onwenu combo I see why they want them together. Sow makes playing guard look easy. If we only had a Left Tackle. Aaaargh, the missing piece!

It was a very solid showing by the offensive line. Antonio Mafi stood out in a bad way. Michael Jordan was the surprise player of the day on the line, NO WAY Mafi should make the team over Jordan. Jordan has clearly taken to the new coaching his hand work was phenomenal, stunned one DL with a hand punch on one play. Not an all-pro by any stretch but played very well, I think with the coaching they may have a sleeper in Jordan. My notes had him bad last week, he had 3 complete whiffs on running plays, 3 plays like that sound bad, should be bad. I went and re-watched every play from the Carolina game he was in on, and he played a lot. His worst play was pulling from right guard spot to get the LB crashing in, he took a bad angle, LB ran around him and got RB in backfield. Just a bad angle. The other 2 bad plays he was quickly beat to outside, once at LG, once as RG, but play was run to middle so had no real bearing on the play in the end. Otherwise, he looked like he did this week, great use of hands, good base, pass protection was 100% good. By far the surprise of the line.

Vederian Lowe had 2 bad plays (the one where Jacoby slipped and the Maye sack), 2 stand out bad plays, but otherwise was fine. Anderson was completely man handled on 1 play and beaten with Mafi on the last drive. Lowe was much better this week, still obviously not what you want from a LT but 2 bad plays was way less than last week. Obviously, a concern going against the top pass rushers. If we only had a Left Tackle, Aaaargh, the missing piece!

Overall, the lineman mostly played pretty well, Wallace had no bad reps. Robinson can flat out run block, Onwenu was a standout except for 1 play where he whiffed. Hard to tell but looked like both fumbled snaps were on the QB not the center. Mafi did not play well and solidly beaten twice, looks slow. Sidy Sow had the one play he was just driven straight back and Leverett was lost on who to block one play but that’s nitpicking a bit, overall the group, Wallace, Chuks and Andrews etc. were way more good than bad. It really seems to stand out the hand usage and technique on many of the lineman is very good, I think the new Line coach might really know what he is doing. They clearly cleaned up some base setting issues from last week with Wallace, next week they’ll refine his hands. He had some plays great hand work, others he was close to holding. Improvement for sure and all at RT where I think that’s his spot long term, I think they locked the future RT spot down with Wallace. If we only had a Left Tackle, Aaaargh, the missing piece!

There is still a lack of natural talent at the Left Tackle spot particularly but beginning to think the line coach is going to get the most out of this talent, whatever level that is, very promising tape, with those caveats on lack of talent at Tackle. They draft the left tackle next year and hit this line is going to be really good next year.

MY Offensive Line Depth Chart:

They seem to have a plethora of guys that show they can play inside. I think Michael Jordan can start this year for example. Mafi got to go, Anderson has been weak, but I think they want him to backup LT. I hate to say it but I am really leaning toward just trusting this line coach, you can just see the coaching on every play. The technique for some is inconsistent but you can see them all with good technique on many plays. You give this guy a top talent LT and he’ll make the line one of the best in the league, very impressed. Of course, we don’t have even an average talent LT so buzz kill for 2024. If we only had a Left Tackle, Aaaargh, the missing piece!

Not being able to see much at LT outside of Lowe it is hard to project and seems they are set on Lowe there and Chuk to RT. Lowe was still the LT until Maye left, you just can’t see if Wallace or Chuk can play LT better than Lowe because no tape.

I really, think they should find a way to keep Jordan but if they keep Onwenu at guard then they need to keep an extra backup tackle or find one after cuts.

Locks: Okorafor, Lowe, Andrews, Sow, Onwenu, Wallace, Robinson, Leverett. Do they keep a 9th? Are they currently on the roster? I’d keep Jordan and if Lowe fails, Chuks to LT and Wallace to RT, last shot is Onwenu to RT and Wallace or Chuks to LT. If we only had a Left Tackle, Aaaargh, the missing piece!

OLINE

TACKLE
Yes, the missing piece!
1) Lowe is our starter, and seems to be the backup, with Wallace as an outsider at LT.
2) So, we have 3 OT's: Lowe, Okorafor and Wallace, with Onwenu as a possibility.
It would seem right to carry a 4th OT (a 10th OL) depending on who we can get as a backup OT off the waiver wire. i don't expect us to find a starter.

CENTER/GUARD
We also try to keep a 3rd emergency center. After losing Jake, I would think that we need Leverett and one more backup at center. Jordan seems to be at the right place at the right time. So, for me, 6 IOL's is a given as it has been since they changed the rule and gave us an extra active spot for an offensive lineman. An emergency OG/C meets that bill for me.

WIDE RECEIVER
You have convinced me that Thornton should be on the roster, probably in place of Osborne. If Thornton is ready to contribute, then we are fine for a month with Douglas, Thornton, Polk and Baker. We have receivers at RB and TE, so I really don't see anyone else getting reps. As always, we need a backup #5 that will likely get no reps. When Bourne comes back, this WR would be #6, presuming no injuries.

So, the question to be is NOT who to keep in order to be an integral part of the Offense. IMO, the 5th receiver should have a ST role. Reagor seems to be the best choice for #5, presuming that we get rid of Osborne or Thornton.

 

[mgteich]

I agree about Okorafor. From what little I've seen, Chuks is the worst of the 5 starters, worse than Lowe.

Why isn't Wallace the starting RT instead of Okorafor. Is one of the two recovering from an injury?

 

[KCSVEN]

WIDE RECEIVER
You have convinced me that Thornton should be on the roster, probably in place of Osborne. If Thornton is ready to contribute, then we are fine for a month with Douglas, Thornton, Polk and Baker. We have receivers at RB and TE, so I really don't see anyone else getting reps. As always, we need a backup #5 that will likely get no reps. When Bourne comes back, this WR would be #6, presuming no injuries.

Since they don't throw to him I have absolutely no idea if TT can catch the ball, since they are playing him like a starter I assume he makes the team and has shown the ability to catch it in practice. Of course, can he not drop balls, and can he stay healthy? He looks good without the ball so far LOL.

 

[dliverey44]

As I was watching the game, I came away fairly impressed with Fred Johnson LT #74 for the eagles. If the FO decides to trade for a LT to replace Anderson , Lowe or Okorafor. I have not been impressed with Okorafor when I have watched him, I have not seen him in any practices though so very limited sample size.

 

[Real fan 02]

QB in more detail

I wont touch on Zappe, he played Well but think they are cutting him so doesn’t matter.

Brissett-Not spending a ton of time on him but on every play he had guys open that he did not see. I’d go thru every brutal play but everyone’s impression that he was bad, is correct. On the interception he had TT and he had Douglas as possible throws, chose to throw a pick to a covered guy. His footwork was bad, did not go thru reads and was inaccurate. He is what the people that never watched Drake Maye in college claim are things Drake Maye needs to work on.

Milton-I’d rather have seen Milton start with the starters and Jacoby mop up. Patriots need to use his great athletic ability while trying to see if they can get him to be an NFL QB. First play, he made the wrong read, had a wide open Bell but thru to a covered guy. Next was run-option, made right read on that and kept ball. Next play good pocket movement hit crosser Wallis. Fumbled snap play followed by good throw to Boutte. Followed with Miscommunication on blitz adjustment with Boutte, All-22 says Boutte was right but from behind QB I see why Milton thought otherwise, just a decision route I don’t blame him for.

Rookie play: Went the wrong way on a fake handoff bootleg, then threw to deep Walis when had an open receiver short, just not a good play. Next the Scramble was good, had 2 tight window options that passed on but decision was fine to run. Mafi then got beat badly inside, Milton could have stepped up maybe but did not. Mafi fault. Threw a poorly placed screen pass as still struggles with accuracy and touch.

In hindsight Maye should have been named starter day 1, Milton should have gotten the most next reps, we know what Brissett is, he would likely be the backup but we could see Milton develop a bit with better players. On tape he’s a great athlete with great arm strength and build but has other skills are currently lacking to be an NFL QB, but we needed to see him with more opportunity to develop those skills. Now they SHOULD use him in special situations to take advantage of his unique skill set.

Maye-Future All-Pro Maye was there, dropping Big Time Throws, doing it all, and then Rookie Drake Maye showed up and you realize, DAMN, let the dude play so he can get rookie Maye out of his system and just be all pro Maye!

Highlight Plays: Great throw on the incut. Perfect dropped in ball to Baker who dropped it but probably did so because he knew he was out of bounds and then back in, did have second option of TE coming open over middle but he hit the wr in the hands that would have gotten them near the end zone, all-pro level throw. Then bootleg throw short with rusher in face, Properly checked out of blitz, note that Jacoby failed to do that earlier in the game. Made proper read on QB option for TD. Had scramble late that was a good read and call and made the great pocket movement and throw to Baker 50 yards downfield, all-pro throw there. It overall was very high level QB play. Onto a few plays that were bad or hard to decipher:

Threw high to the flat out of shotgun, was caught so not too high and didn’t effect the yardage so result was moot but yeah a little high. Not a great throw with fine result.

Short pass to Baker, Looked like Maye expected Baker to go up field more, Baker saw the LB and stopped, you can see Maye hesitate his arm as he was throwing, clearly miscommunication, however looks like Baker made right read so on Maye for that 1. I think he did not see the middle LB or thought he was not as close. Bad on Maye.

Fumble snap-Can’t do it, but rookie that never played under center, that’s why we get reps in games.

The pass interference call on Baker, initial look I though maybe overthrown. I’ve watched this play 50 times, I timed Baker to see where he would have been if not interfered, it was at worst illegal contact but on review 100% correct interference call and where the ball landed is the yard line Baker would have been at, I timed his speed and calculated that out. Until I saw the end zone all-22 I would have said a bit high, probably a finger tip catch or miss, but the end zone view looks like a perfect ball, so 50-50 on whether it was slightly high. Solid to Good throw overall in a tight window. Changed my B to a B+ after realizing throw was not bad.

On one scramble I thought he could have thrown first read for 4-5 yards and then when scrambling could have hit flat for 4-5 yards, he ran for 4-5 yards instead. He looked at both guys, I think he should have thrown to one of them. Maybe he thought he could get more yards running but he didn’t and then took a hit.

The quick slant/incut to the right was covered. But this whole play I can’t figure out. Baker doesn’t look right away, so if a quick slant, why not? Maye never really looks to throw it and off it right away and immediately looks to run middle, but can’t as lineman being blocked is right there. I am completely confused what he was coached to do vs what he did. My best guess is: He looks left to draw the LB away from Baker, LB does not bite so when he looks right back to Baker, the LB goes that way so that play is taken away, I think he then wants to run but can’t. I don’t know if that’s what he was coached or not. He scrambles left but nobody on the left is open. He should have stopped after scrambling left a bit, as Baker clears the LB eventually but logically QB’s rolling left are not looking right. He should have read the leverage of the LT, stayed inside that block and reset. Once he continued rolling throwing it away right call. So, good look off, didn’t work, abandoned play, good call, initially good movement in pocket, then the decision to keep going left was wrong. He left the pocket too soon, I think, unless play was, in cut, LB moves then run to vacated spot, then he didn’t. I’m grading it negative as I believe he should have moved back and left and reset. His key was the LB so pretty sure when he saw the LB move to Baker he figured he could get a bunch of yards vacating the spot, but then realized he couldn’t get up the middle.

Footwork and mechanics were better than Jacoby. Went thru reads better than Jacoby. Clearly outplayed Jacoby, we will see what Mayo decides.

Have concerns on WR group and LT, what else is new.

Great stuff man! I'll just add we are OK at WR to start the season.. Polk, pop and baker Will be focal points for the offense.. don't forget reliable TE Henry that will take coverage away from them.. this season was and alway about Maye daye.. I'm happy as a fan to see this coming to fruition.

 

[Real fan 02]

Maye gave all of us hope in this game. You can see the progress already.
It was notable how Mayo has changed his tune on who will be the opening day starter. He said Maye had made major strides in this game and that the " competition is far from over".
He added that both Drake and Jacoby will play significant portions of next game and that, plus what they show in practice will determine the starter.
I was of the mind that it would benefit Drake to sit for the first 3 or 4 games to give him more time to learn the offense, work on mechanics and and mainly to
allow the ol to have a few games together to gel some. We know that the more consecutive games an ol plays with the same guys,the better they'll get. That's true for both talented and untalented ols.
But that was before the Eagles game and Jacoby just shocked me with how poorly he played.
I expect him to clean some of that up but
there's now a real chance Maye will earn the starters job for game#1.

100 agreed!!! This feels similar to 2021. Mac like Drake had up and down camp practice but by camps end was pretty much neck and neck with cam.. I believe real live game action does more for young players than the monotonous days of camp sometimes.. where it's hot, muggy, guys are in drills, so your focus may not aways be there like in game action.

It just "feels".. like Drake has won over the staff.. he possess an excitement we hadn't had in years. We desperately need that back in Foxboro..

 

[dliverey44]

Really want to see Tyquan play with Maye. TT has been open in the games but JB has not been able to get the ball to him. Maybe he doesn't catch the ball well from Maye but I would like to see it.

 

[jimnance]

Really want to see Tyquan play with Maye. TT has been open in the games but JB has not been able to get the ball to him. Maybe he doesn't catch the ball well from Maye but I would like to see it.

Maye needs to get some some run with all the offensive starters.
That's not just for Maye, that's for guys like TT who needs Mayes arm to reach him on deep throws. That's how TT makes the roster.
You can't really evaluate all the offensive starters until you do this. Especially true for the wrs where you have 4 guys fighting for 3 spots.

 

[Triumph]

Good job K7

QB - Brisset is here because he knows the AVP offense from Cleveland. More or less a Player/Coach, but you already knew that.

OL - Like you allude to, this team is building a good OL. Next draft will focus on OT early.

RB - Gibson has hands of glue. 80% catch rate. I have a feeling that once the season starts that well be seeing alot of passes to him.

WR - It would be crazy if Boutte blows up after BB gets fired. Maye to Thornton needs to happen asap.

 

[CanadianPatriot]

Great post and very insightful analysis! I appreciate you for taking the time and effort to watch the all-22 and sharing your notes and thoughts from what you saw. As someone who does not have access to all-22 tape, I always enjoy reading this kind of content here.

The most encouraging info from your commentary is regarding the OL from a technique standpoint. It is evident that we are lacking talent at the tackle position but if Scott Peters can have these guys playing at an adequate level and get the most out of them, it gives me a bit of relief that Maye hopefully won't be running for his life back there and/or developing bad habits due to lack of protection if the coaches decide that he's ready to start at any point of the season this year.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Good job K7

QB - Brisset is here because he knows the AVP offense from Cleveland. More or less a Player/Coach, but you already knew that.

OL - Like you allude to, this team is building a good OL. Next draft will focus on OT early.

RB - Gibson has hands of glue. 80% catch rate. I have a feeling that once the season starts that well be seeing alot of passes to him.

WR - It would be crazy if Boutte blows up after BB gets fired. Maye to Thornton needs to happen asap.

Yup. Maye to Polk against a zone defense, or Maye to Baker for 5 to 10-ish yards is OK. Reagor can not catch a long ball, and we saw last Thursday that Baker is not catching the sideline or the deep ball. Who does Baker remind you of on those sidelines and deep balls? Barely open and gets his hands on the ball, but disappoints. If you answered DeVante Parker that is correct.

Maye to Thornton needs to happen if this team is going to win more the 4 games.

 

[Triumph]

Yup. Maye to Polk against a zone defense, or Maye to Baker for 5 to 10-ish yards is OK. Reagor can not catch a long ball, and we saw last Thursday that Baker is not catching the sideline or the deep ball. Who does Baker remind you of on those sidelines and deep balls? Barely open and gets his hands on the ball, but disappoints. If you answered DeVante Parker that is correct.

Maye to Thornton needs to happen if this team is going to win more the 4 games.

Has Andy promised you a job at Project 2027?

He needs to begin compensating you for your takes.