Aiyuk officially requests trade

[Wozzy]

For some reason people still haven't figured out how the other half lives even though we have now been living as the other half for 5 years now. We had two decades of success because we had the greatest player of all time. If you don't have the greatest football player to ever live then you need to invest in man beater type athletes.

Edelman was a man beater type athlete, so was Welker, so was Amendola, so was Troy Brown… everyone of these players was drafted in the 7th (8th round) and three of them were UDFA’s.

Some of the best WR's in the playoffs last season:

Cooper Kupp = 3rd round pick
Nico Collins = 3rd round pick
Tank Dell = 3rd round pick
Amon-Ra St. Brown = 4th round pick
Josh Reynolds = 4th round pick
Romeo Doubs = 4th round pick
Puka Nacua = 5th round pick
Stefon Diggs = 5th round pick
Tyreek Hill = 5th round pick

Draft talent or pay free agents… don’t use a draft pick so you can overpay somebody. Why is this difficult to understand?

 

[203Pat]

Edelman was a man beater type athlete, so was Welker, so was Amendola, so was Troy Brown… everyone of these players was drafted in the 7th or 8th round and three of them were UDFA’s.

Some of the best WR's in the playoffs last season:

Cooper Kupp = 3rd round pick
Nico Collins = 3rd round pick
Tank Dell = 3rd round pick
Amon-Ra St. Brown = 4th round pick
Josh Reynolds = 4th round pick
Romeo Doubs = 4th round pick
Puka Nacua = 5th round pick
Stefon Diggs = 5th round pick
Tyreek Hill = 5th round pick

Draft talent or pay free agents… don’t use a draft pick so you can overpay somebody. Why is this difficult to understand?

I am all for draft, develop, and pay. That is ideally how I hope we do things but when we continually fail to develop receivers we need to stop bargain hunting for the Sanu's, Agholor's, and Devante Parker's of the world. Trade for AJ Brown, Deandre Hopkins, Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, Davante Adams instead of letting the Eagles, Cardinals, Dolphins, Bills, and Raiders do it. Surround your young QB with actual athletes.

 

[Wozzy]

I am all for draft, develop, and pay. That is ideally how I hope we do things but when we continually fail to develop receivers we need to stop bargain hunting for the Sanu's, Agholor's, and Devante Parker's of the world.

You’re talking about another regime entirely, this is a new regime. One has nothing to do with another.

Trade for AJ Brown, Deandre Hopkins, Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, Davante Adams instead of letting the Eagles, Cardinals, Dolphins, Bills, and Raiders do it. Surround your young QB with actual athletes.

None of these signings ^ led to a championship, many of these teams actually got worse. Not a great endorsement…

 

[XLIX]

I responded directly to what you wrote with examples of why you were wrong. This ^ is a deflection because it’s hard to argue with history.

No you either lied about what I wrote or didn’t understand what I wrote.

So which is it? Are you dishonest, or just stupid?

The 49ers were a great team. Rice has the same amount of rings as 7th round pick Julian Edelman.

I don’t know what relevance draft position has here. Edelman was a key contributor for several of those rings, including an MVP award. He helps prove the value of having great WRs.

Aiyuk has zero rings, if he has the magic power to win rings the 49ers obviously haven’t benefited from it.

Every single position in football has great players - both past and present - who don’t have rings.

So your logic of “look at all these great WRs who don’t have rings! That proves the position is not important!” Is completely moronic.

 

[XLIX]

You’re talking about another regime entirely, this is a new regime. One has nothing to do with another.

None of these signings ^ led to a championship, many of these teams actually got worse. Not a great endorsement…

The Broncos signed Russell Wilson.
The Vikings signed Kirk Cousins.
The Jets signed Aaron Rodgers.
The Browns signed Deshaun Watson.

None of these signings ^ led to a championship, many of these teams actually got worse. According to your logic, that means QB just isn’t an important position.

 

[rochrist]

I am all for draft, develop, and pay. That is ideally how I hope we do things but when we continually fail to develop receivers we need to stop bargain hunting for the Sanu's, Agholor's, and Devante Parker's of the world. Trade for AJ Brown, Deandre Hopkins, Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, Davante Adams instead of letting the Eagles, Cardinals, Dolphins, Bills, and Raiders do it. Surround your young QB with actual athletes.

You haven't given the new guys even one training camp to see if they CAN develop receivers.

 

[Wozzy]

No you either lied about what I wrote or didn’t understand what I wrote.

So which is it? Are you dishonest, or just stupid?

Insults are what happens when people have no way to respond.

You said it was easy to win with a magical generational QB, I provided the 2017 Eagles who had neither the QB or superweapon and beat a team in the Super Bowl who had both… now you’re pretending you didn’t say it. I’ll put you down for an “L.”

I don’t know what relevance draft position has here. Edelman was a key contributor for several of those rings, including an MVP award. He helps prove the value of having great WRs.

Never made a Pro Bowl, never made an All Pro team, drafted in the 7th round… has the same amount of rings as Jerry Rice, but you don’t see the relevance?

Every single position in football has great players - both past and present - who don’t have rings.

So your logic of “look at all these great WRs who don’t have rings! That proves the position is not important!” Is completely moronic.

Saying a team needs a superstar WR to win is not borne out by history or facts… so saying it, or that a team needs a generational QB is moronic.

Stop hurling insults, it doesn’t bolster bad takes.

 

[Wozzy]

The Broncos signed Russell Wilson.
The Vikings signed Kirk Cousins.
The Jets signed Aaron Rodgers.
The Browns signed Deshaun Watson.

None of these signings ^ led to a championship, many of these teams actually got worse. According to your logic, that means QB just isn’t an important position.

Nobody but you used the word “important” and you’ve only used it to be disingenuous.

I said it wasn’t necessary to possess a superweapon highest paid WR in the NFL to win rings. History has proven that… hell the last two years KC has proven that.

The Chiefs won running the ball and playing tough defense last year, there’s multiple ways to skin a cat.

 

[XLIX]

Insults are what happens when people have no way to respond.

You said it was easy to win with a magical generational QB, I provided the 2017 Eagles who had neither the QB or superweapon and beat a team in the Super Bowl who had both… now you’re pretending you didn’t say it. I’ll put you down for an “L.”

Never made a Pro Bowl, never made an All Pro team, drafted in the 7th round… has the same amount of rings as Jerry Rice, but you don’t see the relevance?

Saying a team needs a superstar WR to win is not borne out by history or facts… so saying it, or that a team needs a generational QB is moronic.

Stop hurling insults, it doesn’t bolster bad takes.

Tell ya what.... I'll stop telling the truth about you when you stop lying about me.

 

[XLIX]

Nobody but you used the word “important” and you’ve only used it to be disingenuous.

I said it wasn’t necessary to possess a superweapon highest paid WR in the NFL to win rings.

This is another one of your idiotic statements which establishes nothing. There is no one single element that has been present on every single championship team.

Teams have won rings with lousy offenses.
Teams have won rings with lousy defenses.
Teams have won rings with lousy coaches.
Teams have won rings with lousy quarterbacks.
Teams have won rings with lousy runners.
Teams have won rings with lousy receivers.
Teams have won rings with lousy o-lines.
Teams have won rings with lousy d-lines.
Teams have won rings with lousy linebackers.
Teams have won rings with lousy secondaries.

According to your logic, any team that has a lousy offense, defense, coach, quarterback, runners, receivers, o-line, d-line, linebackers and secondary can still go out there and win it all!! After all, history has proven you don't need any one of those things to win a ring!!

 

[Wozzy]

This is another one of your idiotic statements which establishes nothing. There is no one single element that has been present on every single championship team.

Teams have won rings with lousy offenses.
Teams have won rings with lousy defenses.
Teams have won rings with lousy coaches.
Teams have won rings with lousy quarterbacks.
Teams have won rings with lousy runners.
Teams have won rings with lousy receivers.
Teams have won rings with lousy o-lines.
Teams have won rings with lousy d-lines.
Teams have won rings with lousy linebackers.
Teams have won rings with lousy secondaries.

Pretty much none of this ^ has ever happened.

A rare few teams dealt with injuries in the regular season, only to get healthy before the playoffs which maybe made it appear like individual units were lesser… but they weren’t. Like the Giants when they beat New England in 2011, the same healthy Giant defense the year prior was a top ten unit.

According to your logic, any team that has a lousy offense, defense, coach, quarterback, runners, receivers, o-line, d-line, linebackers and secondary can still go out there and win it all!! After all, history has proven you don't need any one of those things to win a ring!!

Every response by you is just you putting words in my mouth that were never uttered or even insinuated.

I’d argue no bad team in the history of pro football has ever won a championship. But plenty of teams have won with merely “good” not great QB’s or individual WR’s. It’s a team sport, and a team can be greater than the sum of it’s parts.

 

[Wozzy]

Tell ya what.... I'll stop telling the truth about you when you stop lying about me.

“It's amazing how well teams "get by" when they have the best QB and best TE in football. Meanwhile, for the 31 teams who don't have Mahomes under center, having talented WR's leads directly to wins.” - XLIX

Your quote back on page two, you said it… own it.

 

[rochrist]

Nobody but you used the word “important” and you’ve only used it to be disingenuous.

I said it wasn’t necessary to possess a superweapon highest paid WR in the NFL to win rings. History has proven that… hell the last two years KC has proven that.

The Chiefs won running the ball and playing tough defense last year, there’s multiple ways to skin a cat.

Goes all the way back to Cold Hard Football Facts who coined the term 'Shiny Hood Ornament'.

 

[XLIX]

“It's amazing how well teams "get by" when they have the best QB and best TE in football. Meanwhile, for the 31 teams who don't have Mahomes under center, having talented WR's leads directly to wins.” - XLIX

Your quote back on page two, you said it… own it

My statement is 100% correct. I own it 100% because only a complete moron would disagree with it.

 

[XLIX]

Pretty much none of this ^ has ever happened.

Every single situation I described happened at one point.

Trent Dilfer won a ring and Dan Marino didn’t. That means QB is a meaningless position according to you.

 

[Wozzy]

My statement is 100% correct. I own it 100% because only a complete moron would disagree with it.

Nick Foles wasn't Mahomes and didn't have a superweapon WR.

You obviously don't know how percentages work, because only a moron would call that 100%.

 

[Wozzy]

Every single situation I described happened at one point.

Trent Dilfer won a ring and Dan Marino didn’t. That means QB is a meaningless position according to you.

Since I started posting sport's online back in the early 90's when Al Gore created the interwebs, I have used the term "team sport" probably more than any other two word combination. I think football is a team sport... because it is.

If a QB is merely "average/good" he can win a ring if his team is good enough. Trent Dilfer is one of a dozen or so average/good QB's who have won rings. The same way the opposite is true, you can have the best QB in the league, but if his team is poor his record will mirror that.

Show me the bad team who has won a ring, it has never happened... ever.

It takes a team to win a championship... not one magical player or position.

 

[slash83]

Well sounds like NE allegedly has offered a 2nd round pick for him per profootballtalk. Posted on facebook via a Patriots page so take it for what its worth.

It was posted about an hour ago

 

[PatsFan2]

Well sounds like NE allegedly has offered a 2nd round pick for him per profootballtalk. Posted on facebook via a Patriots page so take it for what its worth.

 

[PatsFan2]

Edelman was a man beater type athlete, so was Welker, so was Amendola, so was Troy Brown… everyone of these players was drafted in the 7th (8th round) and three of them were UDFA’s.

Some of the best WR's in the playoffs last season:

Cooper Kupp = 3rd round pick
Nico Collins = 3rd round pick
Tank Dell = 3rd round pick
Amon-Ra St. Brown = 4th round pick
Josh Reynolds = 4th round pick
Romeo Doubs = 4th round pick
Puka Nacua = 5th round pick
Stefon Diggs = 5th round pick
Tyreek Hill = 5th round pick

Draft talent or pay free agents… don’t use a draft pick so you can overpay somebody. Why is this difficult to understand?

We had the beat on R Doubs had him in for a Visit but took miget Zappe instead bravo Bill.