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This was from the thing I wrote this morning, with some bits from the most recent Next Pats Podcast by Phil Perry, who had Jim Nagy on there to talk about the 2024 Patriots draft picks.

Nagy gave some good insight on Polk, but more importantly pointed out that the team actually targeted guys who could get open, which is a change from the type of guys they've drafted in the past:

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One of the more interesting comments came with Nagy talking about the selections of both Ja’Lynn Polk and Javon Baker, who he said are quite different than the guys New England has looked at previously when it comes to the receiver position.

He believes they hit on two guys who can open up their offense, which is an improvement from the type of players they had targeted in the past.

“I think they drafted two guys that can separate,” said Nagy. “I’ve said this before, I think Polk and Baker can both separate, and they haven’t been drafting separators up there for a while. It’s been a while since they’ve drafted guys that can get open, and I think both these guys can and they both have great ball skills.”

Nagy also noted that when it came to Polk, he was a player who was quietly rated highly by quite a few teams around the league, and he feels that Polk flew under the radar a bit behind Washington teammate Rome Odunze. Odunze was a higher-rated prospect and ended up being taken 9th overall by the Bears.

However, Nagy believes the Patriots got good value for him, and he feels Polk likely wouldn’t have been around much longer from where he was selected (Round 2, 37th overall by the Patriots).

“We did a lot of work on Polk too, and I think that he was a guy that the league was much higher than the media,” said Nagy. “I think maybe the media kind of lost him in the Rome Odunze talk and everything, I don’t know. But Polk was a guy that a lot of teams were high on. They probably had to take Polk there where they took him.”

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Sort of hoping that should these guys pan out, it starts to open things up in terms of at least feeling more optimistic about them continuing to add to that position in the future.

In the past, save most recently for maybe Malcolm Mitchell - who helped them win a ring but only lasted that season - it felt like the best hope was from late-round longshots who may/may not have made the team or had an impact. Now, it might end up being a position we can feel good about them targeting earlier if necessary and potentially finding an impact player, which is something that obviously never happened previously.
 
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There was a guy we just missed out on, the wr taken right at the end of round 1, beginning of round 2 ... The muffed buffalo trade one... Can't remember his name off the top of my head... He was supposed to be the target at the top of 2...

Be interesting to see how things play out in terms of production between Polk and him...
 
There was a guy we just missed out on, the wr taken right at the end of round 1, beginning of round 2 ... The muffed buffalo trade one... Can't remember his name off the top of my head... He was supposed to be the target at the top of 2...

Be interesting to see how things play out in terms of production between Polk and him...
I believe that was Legette from South Carolina. I liked him too…BUT, was fine with Polk and ecstatic they double dipped with Baker.

Baker has some boom/bust potential based on his personality but the boom part could be huge if he can learn to be a pro.
 
I believe that was Legette from South Carolina. I liked him too…BUT, was fine with Polk and ecstatic they double dipped with Baker.

Baker has some boom/bust potential based on his personality but the boom part could be huge if he can learn to be a pro.
Could also have been Keon Coleman. Happy we didnt get him though. His play reminds me too much of Nkeal Harry.
 
People forget that Thornton was getting open. That the biggest issue with the Offense has been that the QB didn't have time to look for certain passes. The other issue is that they weren't having Thornton run the routes he's successful with. How many times did we see Thornton running Slants or deep ins? Plays where he'd be hit in stride so he could keep going.

Mac Jones was horrible at hitting guys in stride. Part of that was the O-line but part of it was Jones.

I'm hoping that with Bourne and Osborn and 4 guys under 25, that this WR group can shine.
 
This was from the thing I wrote this morning, with some bits from the most recent Next Pats Podcast by Phil Perry, who had Jim Nagy on there to talk about the 2024 Patriots draft picks.

Nagy gave some good insight on Polk, but more importantly pointed out that the team actually targeted guys who could get open, which is a change from the type of guys they've drafted in the past:

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One of the more interesting comments came with Nagy talking about the selections of both Ja’Lynn Polk and Javon Baker, who he said are quite different than the guys New England has looked at previously when it comes to the receiver position.

He believes they hit on two guys who can open up their offense, which is an improvement from the type of players they had targeted in the past.

“I think they drafted two guys that can separate,” said Nagy. “I’ve said this before, I think Polk and Baker can both separate, and they haven’t been drafting separators up there for a while. It’s been a while since they’ve drafted guys that can get open, and I think both these guys can and they both have great ball skills.”

Nagy also noted that when it came to Polk, he was a player who was quietly rated highly by quite a few teams around the league, and he feels that Polk flew under the radar a bit behind Washington teammate Rome Odunze. Odunze was a higher-rated prospect and ended up being taken 9th overall by the Bears.

However, Nagy believes the Patriots got good value for him, and he feels Polk likely wouldn’t have been around much longer from where he was selected (Round 2, 37th overall by the Patriots).

“We did a lot of work on Polk too, and I think that he was a guy that the league was much higher than the media,” said Nagy. “I think maybe the media kind of lost him in the Rome Odunze talk and everything, I don’t know. But Polk was a guy that a lot of teams were high on. They probably had to take Polk there where they took him.”

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Sort of hoping that should these guys pan out, it starts to open things up in terms of at least feeling more optimistic about them continuing to add to that position in the future.

In the past, save most recently for maybe Malcolm Mitchell - who helped them win a ring but only lasted that season - it felt like the best hope was from late-round longshots who may/may not have made the team or had an impact. Now, it might end up being a position we can feel good about them targeting earlier if necessary and potentially finding an impact player, which is something that obviously never happened previously.
I always felt bad for Malcolm Mitchell. He made plays and helped us win a SB. He could have been a real asset to the offense for a number of years if his knee hadn't been toast. But, he did shine in his limited career.
 
I always felt bad for Malcolm Mitchell. He made plays and helped us win a SB. He could have been a real asset to the offense for a number of years if his knee hadn't been toast. But, he did shine in his limited career.
I hate to reopen old wounds but....if Malcolm's knee doesn't betray him and he continued to develop- does Brady maybe never leave and we win #7?
 
I hate to reopen old wounds but....if Malcolm's knee doesn't betray him and he continued to develop- does Brady maybe never leave and we win #7?
If we drafted Deebo over N'Keal does Brady leave...we can do this forever
 
I hate to reopen old wounds but....if Malcolm's knee doesn't betray him and he continued to develop- does Brady maybe never leave and we win #7?

No. Brady left because he simply had enough of playing for Belichick. As great a team coach as Belichick was he was also a bear for individual players to deal with day in and out for years. When players like Brady and Gronk gave their all day after day, season after season, and Belichick still treated them like first year players, it ground them down to a point where it just wasn’t enjoyable anymore. And while pro football is a job, it’s also a game that players enjoy playing, and when you take that away you erode the passion for the game. For both Brady and Gronk it wasn’t about the money, and it wasn’t about Nee England, it was just about not wanting to be under Belichick’s rule anymore.
 
Yes, Brady leaves. Nothing other than Belichick leaving would have kept him here.
Maybe, but there where 2 OTHER reasons that we're infinitely more important to Brady's leaving.

First Brady knew that he didn't want to spend his last few years with a depleted roster in rebuild mode. They had just gone to 3 super bowls in a row, and put themselves in cap hell after going all in front 16 to 19. There simply wasn't any cap space to pay Brady without mortgaging the needed rebuild. Remember we were up against the cap in 20 and was only paying Cam $1MM that year.

Two, both Brady AND his wife wanted to be in warmer climes. They had put up their house for sale BEFORE the '19 season was over.

Tampa had the best offensive weapons and the cap room to offer a 42 year old QB $50M on a 2 yr. deal

His rift with BB was real and a factor in the decision., but NOT the major one. My contention is that Brady was NEVER resigning here in '20 and he would have been crazy too do so.
 
I hate to reopen old wounds but....if Malcolm's knee doesn't betray him and he continued to develop- does Brady maybe never leave and we win #7?
Agreed. Alot of that too is we were drafting guys with injury concerns and somehow hoping they get healthier... Mitchell, Brandon tate to name a few
 
Agreed. Alot of that too is we were drafting guys with injury concerns and somehow hoping they get healthier... Mitchell, Brandon tate to name a few
Add Dominique Easley, Ras-I Dowling....

On the other hand there have been guys with injury concerns that worked out fine, like Gronk and Marcus Cannon.

I'm not sure where the happy medium is, or even if there is a happy medium. The HC and GM are always going to be overly critcized when it doesn't work out, just like going for it on 4th down. No wonder so many GMs and HCs play it safe; more job security.
 
I hate to reopen old wounds but....if Malcolm's knee doesn't betray him and he continued to develop- does Brady maybe never leave and we win #7?
I think he certainly upgrades the talent on offense if that had happened. I don't know to what extent it would have improved things, but it may have been a major difference in a good way.
 
Maybe, but there where 2 OTHER reasons that we're infinitely more important to Brady's leaving.

First Brady knew that he didn't want to spend his last few years with a depleted roster in rebuild mode. They had just gone to 3 super bowls in a row, and put themselves in cap hell after going all in front 16 to 19. There simply wasn't any cap space to pay Brady without mortgaging the needed rebuild. Remember we were up against the cap in 20 and was only paying Cam $1MM that year.

Two, both Brady AND his wife wanted to be in warmer climes. They had put up their house for sale BEFORE the '19 season was over.

Tampa had the best offensive weapons and the cap room to offer a 42 year old QB $50M on a 2 yr. deal

His rift with BB was real and a factor in the decision., but NOT the major one. My contention is that Brady was NEVER resigning here in '20 and he would have been crazy too do so.
I guess his wife found warmer climates with the BJJ teacher.
 
Add Dominique Easley, Ras-I Dowling....

On the other hand there have been guys with injury concerns that worked out fine, like Gronk and Marcus Cannon.

I'm not sure where the happy medium is, or even if there is a happy medium. The HC and GM are always going to be overly critcized when it doesn't work out, just like going for it on 4th down. No wonder so many GMs and HCs play it safe; more job security.
Absolutely agree. Add talib to that mix as well we traded for him with some injury concerns he was good for us.. except for AFC Championships...

We continued that trend with Barmore, having knee issues while at Bama.. thus he wasn't healthy as he said until last season where we got that Chris Jones type impact from him.

With analytics heavily used now it definitely helps coaches and GMs alike to make better calculated decisions. Like another thing I'd like to mention.. the glaring need for a QB was ever apparent last season. Mac and Zapp didn't have injury concerns it was that they aren't the level of talent needed to win and carry a team in today's NFL.
 
So, someone posts an optimistic tidbit about the Patriots' WR draft and it devolves into an argument about Brady leaving. Staggering capability to turn lemonade into lemons.
 
Why doesn't Nagy just say that the Patriots have failed at drafting WRs? Failing to draft "separators" is just plain failing to draft good receivers.
 
“I think they drafted two guys that can separate,” said Nagy. “I’ve said this before, I think Polk and Baker can both separate, and they haven’t been drafting separators up there for a while. It’s been a while since they’ve drafted guys that can get open, and I think both these guys can and they both have great ball skills.”
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