Do any of these five deserve to get into the Pats Hall of Fame?

[Steve102]

Kraft solved this by making it clear he is never putting them in.

Immediate posthumous induction, a ceremony and celebration equivalent to June 12th with surviving family members and teammates, and an actual if never believable apology should be the top priority if the owner ever grew a brain:

Julius Adams
Russ Francis
Mosi Tatupu
Darryl Stingley
Chuck Fairbanks
Bucko Kilroy


Kraft loves convenient excuses, like local media are anti-Patriots, he inherited the makeover, and Goodell (on Tagliabue's orders) was heavily involved with keeping the team here.

I'll co-sign all those names.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Kraft solved this by making it clear he is never putting them in.

Immediate posthumous induction, a ceremony and celebration equivalent to June 12th with surviving family members and teammates, and an actual if never believable apology should be the top priority if the owner ever grew a brain:

Julius Adams
Russ Francis
Mosi Tatupu
Darryl Stingley
Chuck Fairbanks
Bucko Kilroy


Kraft loves convenient excuses, like local media are anti-Patriots, he inherited the makeover, and Goodell (on Tagliabue's orders) was heavily involved with keeping the team here.

Great list with the exception of Fairbanks. He was not here long enough and he was fired for pulling a Parcels.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Revis was great, but it was one year and they won super bowls before and after him. Granted, he helped end the tragic 10 year drought we all suffered through (lol) but they had been to 3 straight AFC title games before he was here so it's not like he lifted them from the ashes or anything. Great year but just no argument that he should be in the team HOF.

Junior Seau was a bit player here. Again, no argument to be made for him. He didn't have longevity or peak performance here. Great guy and loved having him, but his HOF years were with another team and he just finished his career here.

Randy Moss played here the same amount as Seau, but at least there was the peak performance. He truly changed the dynamic of the team and was an integral part of something special with the 07 season. Had they won a ring with that team he'd easily be in our HOF for that year alone IMO. Without capping 07 with a ring, there's less shine on that year. Because of the era of success we had there's probably just a long list of guys with more championship memories and longevity to put in over him, but down the line I could see it.

Curtis Martin left here when I was 3 so too before my time for me to totally have an opinion. Just on the stats, doesn't seem like his 3 years were spectacular enough to earn it. His HOF legacy in general is more about consistency/longevity than spectacular moments/seasons/games anyway. So having played here for 3 years you can't really achieve longevity/consistency to a huge degree. He won rookie of the year, but never had a spectacular yardage total. 14 TDs his first 2 years is good but never led the league. is yards per carry here was only 4.0. He left for a rival. I lean no, but maybe someone who was more conscious age for his time here can speak to him having some over-arching impact. Seems like not though, otherwise he'd already be in.

Parcells, another one I was too young for, but on a surface level analysis I don't have much to add beyond what others have said.

 

[signbabybrady]

Revis was great, but it was one year and they won super bowls before and after him. Granted, he helped end the tragic 10 year drought we all suffered through (lol) but they had been to 3 straight AFC title games before he was here so it's not like he lifted them from the ashes or anything. Great year but just no argument that he should be in the team HOF.

Junior Seau was a bit player here. Again, no argument to be made for him. He didn't have longevity or peak performance here. Great guy and loved having him, but his HOF years were with another team and he just finished his career here.

Randy Moss played here the same amount as Seau, but at least there was the peak performance. He truly changed the dynamic of the team and was an integral part of something special with the 07 season. Had they won a ring with that team he'd easily be in our HOF for that year alone IMO. Without capping 07 with a ring, there's less shine on that year. Because of the era of success we had there's probably just a long list of guys with more championship memories and longevity to put in over him, but down the line I could see it.

Curtis Martin left here when I was 3 so too before my time for me to totally have an opinion. Just on the stats, doesn't seem like his 3 years were spectacular enough to earn it. His HOF legacy in general is more about consistency/longevity than spectacular moments/seasons/games anyway. So having played here for 3 years you can't really achieve longevity/consistency to a huge degree. He won rookie of the year, but never had a spectacular yardage total. 14 TDs his first 2 years is good but never led the league. is yards per carry here was only 4.0. He left for a rival. I lean no, but maybe someone who was more conscious age for his time here can speak to him having some over-arching impact. Seems like not though, otherwise he'd already be in.

Parcells, another one I was too young for, but on a surface level analysis I don't have much to add beyond what others have said.

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This was from our Franchises first ever home playoff win. You need this context if Martin is to be given any consideration. Given What Curtis Followed you can make a case given what followed Curtis the case becomes very murky.

 

[brady199]

Just put in Stanley Morgan and I'll be happy.

 

[jmt57]

Adam's in there somewhere.

Great catch, not sure how I missed him.

Just edited that list to include him.

 

[pazrul72]

I voted none of the above with only Moss making me go hmmm. Yeah he was only here for 3 years but they were 3 amazing years where he dominated and was a top 3 receiver again. There are images of him and Brady you just cant tell the NFL story without seeing. The other arguement with those standards i can see but dont agree with is Curtis Martin galloping thru the fog against the steelers. That was just one epic game versus an epic season from Moss. Parcells should be banned for life with zero consideration for anything patriot ever again and Seau is just too iconic as a charger.

 

[jmt57]

Just put in Stanley Morgan and I'll be happy.

Stanley was inducted to the Pats Hall of Fame in 2007.

He deserves to be in Canton as well, but keeps getting looked over.
Every year that goes by his chances seem to keep getting slimmer and slimmer.

In fact he can't even make it to the finals, constantly getting passed over by lesser players like Sterling Sharpe.

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[TheRainMaker]

Curtis Martin left here when I was 3 so too before my time for me to totally have an opinion.

When did you start watching? I'm going to guess somewhere around 2005-2007.

It was very controversial when Martin left and both he and Parcells came back to haunt the Pats from 1997-1999. The AFC East actually had rivalries during the late 90's.

 

[signbabybrady]

When did you start watching? I'm going to guess somewhere around 2005-2007.

It was very controversial when Martin left and both he and Parcells came back to haunt the Pats from 1997-1999. The AFC East actually had rivalries during the late 90's.

Painful too. But I'm much softer in my old age after everything we've witnessed.

 

[AQPE]

I'm a no on all of the guys listed in the OP, as @signbabybrady said above, for various reasons.

On the flip side, I will not have much interest in the Pats HOF until Julius Adams is inducted. To me he's the biggest omission currently, with all due respect to guys like Francis, Tatupu, Eisenhauer, and Garron whom I support. I consider Ernie Adams very deserving as well

And don't get me started regarding the Pro Football HOF, which I think has lost a ton of credibility through its flagrant political shenanigans that I think predominantly serve the desire for power and influence among the scumbag writers at the expense of guys who laid it on the line out on the field.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

No on Revis and Moss. Their stays with the Pat's were too short.

NEVER on Parcells. A .500 HC, who stabbed the franchise in the back going out the door. Parcells was an excellent builder of bad teams into good ones, but he wasn't a good MAINTAINER, which is infinitely harder to do. To his credit, Parcells was self aware enough to recognize this and is why he bailed so often on teams after he left the Giants.
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.MAYBE on Martin he was here for 3 years and developed into a great RB in front of our eyes. I can easily see a good argument for both sides

For me No on all except maybe Parcells.

100% his record here on paper doesn't do it, Berry, Holovak & especially Fairbanks are better. It would be for appreciative reasons...and the Patriots' Hall of Fame does not have a history of appreciation for half the guys who are in fact tangibly qualified and should have been inducted when they were still with us.

More importantly, it's good to hear from you Ken.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

On the flip side, I will not have much interest in the Pats HOF until Julius Adams is inducted. To me he's the biggest omission currently

I would use Julius as the standard of exactly what an athlete should do to earn induction into his team's Ring of Honor or whatever.

Berry correctly called the Jewel the 'ultimate teammate'.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I'm not advising letting everyone in but there can be place to celebrate the greatest NFL players who also spent time here even as little as one season.

Somebody who spent the bulk of their career somewhere else and comes here for a brief time? I like Randy but no. Never.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

As it stands they have no shot over guys with rings coming up and it won't be too long before some overlooked ring holders will also be senior committee candidates too.

It's wrong how media, most fans and the Patriots Hall of Fame punish the Patriots for Dreith and Tatum.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

If Parcells had gone on to coach the Jets 'normally', as in, waited until the season was done to start negotiating, I might be less against him than I am with how he ACTUALLY left.

Parcells couldn't even focus on a SUPER BOWL without making deals for himself. Even worse, you can tell he wasn't paying attention. Leaving Lane on an island against Reggie with predictable results as Drew kept getting clobbered. Kicking to Howard after being told not to. I think there was something about the coverage on Freeman he ignored, too. And then Parcells leaves without even addressing the team.

It disgusted Belichick and he knew Parcells better than any of us. Why should we feel any differently?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Great list with the exception of Fairbanks. He was not here long enough and he was fired for pulling a Parcels.

In only six seasons, what he did and accomplished here had historic impact and influence on the Patriots and the sport then and to this day. Ernie Adams and Bill Belichick, to name two, attest to this.

And he did it despite the Sullivans. Billy deserves credit for the hiring, as Chuck was 'controversial' over some recruiting violations at Oklahoma. But he and son Chuck not only did whatever they could to sabotage our Super Bowl chances, they drove Fairbanks out of town.

I cannot blame Chuck at all for leaving or how he did. If you need me to recount how the Sullivans undermined him (in even worse ways than Kraft did to Parcells), I can. Even with all that, in later years Fairbanks expressed regret about it.

He and his players are not responsible for Dreith and Tatum. They should be judged on their own merit and contribution.

 

[rkarp1]

Julius Adams may have been a helluva man. he also played here a long while.
but at the end of the day, he was an average to slightly better than average player.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

If Parcells had gone on to coach the Jets 'normally', as in, waited until the season was done to start negotiating, I might be less against him than I am with how he ACTUALLY left.

Parcells couldn't even focus on a SUPER BOWL without making deals for himself. Even worse, you can tell he wasn't paying attention. Leaving Lane on an island against Reggie with predictable results as Drew kept getting clobbered. Kicking to Howard after being told not to. I think there was something about the coverage on Freeman he ignored, too. And then Parcells leaves without even addressing the team.

It disgusted Belichick and he knew Parcells better than any of us. Why should we feel any differently?

We take the good with the bad for Belichick, and we should do no different for his mentor, Parcells.

The good vastly outweighs the bad for both of them.

It was Parcells who reached out and tried to make things work with Kraft, despite everything, and Robert threw a screaming tantrum and drove Bill away.

Could Bill have handled his escape to the Jets better? Probably. But I seriously doubt that even without any of these distractions, the intelligence/realization would have surfaced in Parcells' or Perkins' mind to run C-Mart to a title, and that putting the game in Bledsoe's hands was fatal.

I think kicking to Desmond was a boo-boo on Adam's part. And in retrospect, not activating Troy was a mistake.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Julius Adams may have been a helluva man. he also played here a long while.
but at the end of the day, he was an average to slightly better than average player.

Although your belief is obviously shared by most people including the selection committee, it's contradicted by his accomplishments and leadership on and off the field and their impact on the team, as well as comparatively no more impressive records by others such as Bruschi, Brown, Faulk, Harrison, Light, McGinest and Vrabel.