Do any of these five deserve to get into the Pats Hall of Fame?

[jmt57]

Just a guess:

2025 -- Rob Gronkowski
2026 -- Julian Edelman
2027 -- Bill Belichick *
2028 -- Adam Vinatieri
2029 -- Logan Mankins
2030 -- Devin McCourty
2031 -- Wes Welker
2032 -- Dan Koppen
2033 -- Rob Ninkovich
2034 -- Dont'a Hightower

* If Belichick returns to coach in the NFL, the others move up accordingly, due to the four-year retirement clause.

 

[ahmed]

Loved Moss here (one of two jerseys I own) but was too short. Same for the rest except Parcells but the way he left disqualifies him.

 

[Headcase]

Both seem like reasonable requirements.

So what's the minimum length? And how are we measuring impact?

I would say the majority of their NFL career...which actually put me out on Harrison, as much as I loved him as a Patriot.

Impact is harder to gauge.... I would say Martin doesn't meet either requirement; Moss had impact (set NFL WR TD record, helped team go 16-0) but wasn't here long enough; Tuna helped change the culture (and brought BB into the team) but he wasn't here long and left in a ****ty way; Revis impacted a SB win, but was only here a season; Junior was here for the 16-0 team, but didn't even start that season and the Patriots are only a footnote on his career.

The Patriots' Hall of Fame should be for our guys, not just for great players that were here for a couple of seasons.

 

[signbabybrady]

I would say the majority of their NFL career...which actually put me out on Harrison, as much as I loved him as a Patriot.

Impact is harder to gauge.... I would say Martin doesn't meet either requirement; Moss had impact (set NFL WR TD record, helped team go 16-0) but wasn't here long enough; Tuna helped change the culture (and brought BB into the team) but he wasn't here long and left in a ****ty way; Revis impacted a SB win, but was only here a season; Junior was here for the 16-0 team, but didn't even start that season and the Patriots are only a footnote on his career.

The Patriots' Hall of Fame should be for our guys, not just for great players that were here for a couple of seasons.

So you're a no on Vinatieri?

 

[Patjew]

None. I do not think of them as Patriots.

 

[Headcase]

So you're a no on Vinatieri?

That's tough, right? Played year for 10yrs? Indy for 15ish? Won 3 SuperBowls here, two kicks in '01 that are two of the most clutch kicks in NFL history?

There are exceptions for every rule, and Adam is on a different scale than the guys at the top of the thread.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I wouldn't be against just making a rule that anyone with a yellow jacket and time served here should go in.

Repeat this to yourself, pause for five seconds, and then console yourself with the fact that we all say and do silly things, at least every now and then.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Despite the sour ending I've come around to Tuna being deserving. He was instrumental in setting the franchise on a winning course and drafted a lot of legacy players.

This may not be a good time to mention Tuna was against the makeover Orthwein did a month after hiring him.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Yes:
Moss - he broke a records with the Pats. Got them over the hump back to the Super Bowl.
Martin - by his 3rd season, he was already the Pats 4th leading rusher and 3rd in rushing TD's. He would've obliterated the team records had he stayed.
Parcells - it was ****ty what he did and shouldn't have taken it out on the team. However, without him, Belichick doesn't have any relationship with Kraft, and the foundation that Parcells laid probably isn't there.
Revis - while only there for a season, he was just like when Deion Sanders went to the 49ers and then the Cowboys. He was a big piece ending their 10 year drought.

No:
Junior Seau - had he spent more time in NE, it would've been a no brainer. But he was a shell of himself and reserve player when he arrived in 2006.
"None of the above".

 

[archstanton543]

Ray Lewis?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

If you're going to give the player that honor, let him enjoy it while he is still alive.

Kraft solved this by making it clear he is never putting them in.

Immediate posthumous induction, a ceremony and celebration equivalent to June 12th with surviving family members and teammates, and an actual if never believable apology should be the top priority if the owner ever grew a brain:

Julius Adams
Russ Francis
Mosi Tatupu
Darryl Stingley
Chuck Fairbanks
Bucko Kilroy


Kraft loves convenient excuses, like local media are anti-Patriots, he inherited the makeover, and Goodell (on Tagliabue's orders) was heavily involved with keeping the team here.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Top Ten Senior Committe possiblities (definite to remote) include
- Ernie Adams

Urgent because he's still with us

It's Ernie who should be being inducted next month

 

[patfanken]

No on Revis and Moss. Their stays with the Pat's were too short.

NEVER on Parcells. A .500 HC, who stabbed the franchise in the back going out the door. Parcells was an excellent builder of bad teams into good ones, but he wasn't a good MAINTAINER, which is infinitely harder to do. To his credit, Parcells was self aware enough to recognize this and is why he bailed so often on teams after he left the Giants.
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.MAYBE on Martin he was here for 3 years and developed into a great RB in front of our eyes. I can easily see a good argument for both sides

 

[rkarp1]

There are 11 members of the New England Patriots in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Six of them are also in the team's own Hall of Fame:
- John Hannah (1991 Pro HoF, 1991 Pats HoF)
- Nick Buoniconti (1992 Pro, 1992 Pats)
- Mike Haynes (1997 Pro, 1994 Pats)
- Andre Tippett (2008 Pro, 1999 Pats)
- Ty Law (2019 Pro, 2014 Pats)
- Richard Seymour (2022 Pro, 2020 Pats)

Five others are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but not in the Patriots Hall of Fame.
- Curtis Martin, 2012 Pro HoF (Pats 1995-1998; NFL 1995-2005)
- Randy Moss, 2018 Pro HoF (Pats 2007-2010; NFL 1998-2012)
- Bill Parcells, 2013 Pro HoF (Pats 1980, 1993-1996; NFL 1980-2010)
- Darrelle Revis, 2023 Pro HoF (Pats 2014; NFL 2017-2017)
- Junior Seau, 2015 Pro HoF (Pats 2006-2009; NFL 1990-2009)

Do any of those last five merit inclusion to the New England Patriots Hall of Fame?

Parcells has been nominated five times, and creates quite a bit of division in regards to his debate. Personally I say no, though some fans - and many in the media who do the nominating - are very much in the pro-Tuna camp.

None of the others have ever been nominated.

In my opinion three seasons should be the bare minimum for consideration; that would eliminate Revis.

Seau was here for four years, but he joined the team late in both of his last two seasons; that may eliminate him as well.

That leaves Randy Moss and Curtis Martin.

Moss was with the Patriots for the most games (56 including playoffs), unless you include Parcells' 1980 season as a linebackers coach under Ron Erhardt. Moss is one of only four players to catch 50 touchdown passes as a Patriot, and ranks 12th in career receiving yards (3,904). The only receivers who averaged more than his 15.1 yards per catch played before the turn of the century, when the passing game was much different than it is now.

Martin ranks third all-time in rushing yardage and sixth in rushing touchdowns. He also ranks 2nd, 9th and 11th for most rushing yards in a single season, as well as 3rd and 4th for most rushing touchdowns in a single season.


Are there any from this group that should be in the Patriots Hall of Fame, in your opinion?

from the list you posted, only Moss

not on your list, BB of course should be inducted immediately
also, should be inducted at some time;
Rob Gronkowski
Wes Welker
Julian Edelman
Logan Mankins
Devin McCourty
Dont'a Hightower

 

[TinhWoodhead]

i think min should be 5yrs

 

[signbabybrady]

Ray Lewis?

Didn't he kill a guy?

 

[Steve102]

Andrews, White, Gilmore, yes, yes, and yes.

You know, I looked at this maybe 4-5 times before I realized he's wearing a HoF jacket.

 

[Sect140]

No. As others have stated there is about to a be log jam of players that deserve to get in.

 

[signbabybrady]

Repeat this to yourself, pause for five seconds, and then console yourself with the fact that we all say and do silly things, at least every now and then.

I'm aware that it was somewhat silly of a statement but at the same time everyone always has such strong opinions on who should be in and I just don't think it needs to be so serious.

Revis for example is possibly the best corner to ever play for this team. Haynes and Law obviously very close. And his year here wasn't his best Haynes and Law probably had multiple seasons here better than the one year of Revis.

I'm not advising letting everyone in but there can be place to celebrate the greatest NFL players who also spent time here even as little as one season.

Also for the record given the current process I said none of them should be getting consideration before guys like DMac and Hightower. And probably never get in and if they do it's probably decades from now.

Nothing wrong with changing the rules and if the new rules included a technicality like NFL hall famer then I'd be fine with Revis it was an incredible season.

I'd argue Deion probably belongs more in the Cowboys and 49ers ring of honor than ATLs but I believe he's only in ATLs.

Oh and actually my reason for suggesting such things was just part of clearing the log jam and this would allow us to consider guys Adams again. As it stands they have no shot over guys with rings coming up and it won't be too long before some overlooked ring holders will also be senior committee candidates too.

 

[Steve102]

Just a guess:

2025 -- Rob Gronkowski
2026 -- Julian Edelman
2027 -- Bill Belichick *
2028 -- Logan Mankins
2029 -- Devin McCourty
2030 -- Wes Welker
2031 -- Dan Koppen
2032 -- Rob Ninkovich
2033 -- Dont'a Hightower

* If Belichick returns to coach in the NFL, the others move up accordingly, due to the four-year retirement clause.

Adam's in there somewhere.