DRAFT 2024 4th Round Pick - G Layden Robinson

[captain stone]

ESPN's Miller: "Very competitive, has football character as well, 2nd straight OL the Pats have taken where the mind is as good as the physical traits."

In other words, a try-hard, insufficiently athletic, over-drafted ****ing stiff.

 

[captain stone]

Also makes for a competitive group guys competing for spots that's how Teams become good.

At...Guard? Whoop-de-damn-doo!

 

[TommyD4207]

Sounds like a bunch of ******** trying to justify a ****ing Terrible ****ing pick.

It does, but then again, if you're out of the loop with personnel like Mayo clearly is, you have to make chicken salad from chicken ****.

It was nice they let him in the draft room to call the draftees though. Hope he felt like he was part of the team.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Even when Strange was healthy he wasn't very good.

is he related to the golfer

 

[yukon cornelius]

As in, to Center? When None of those 3 have Ever played it?

More "conversion" hopes & prayers by this over-their-collective-head Front Orifice.

strange has played center, and was projected as a center pre-draft

 

[upstater1]

Calm down chief. He's not a 350 lbs road grader by any means. But 34 5'8" arms is freakishly long for an OL.

If anything this guy might be a Cole Strange replacement. You know, the Cole Strange who can't stay healthy?

AVP offense is based on West Coast/Outside Zone so it looks like they want a guard who can pull and get out to the second level.

Just think a bit before spouting off.

Here's a good primer article detailing what to expect from an AVP offense: Film Review: How Will the Patriots Offense Look Under New Offensive Coordinator Alex Van Pelt?

Here's a starter from that article to think about:
"McVay and others from the West Coast/outside zone family had to adjust to stay relevant. The answer was to call more gap schemes and add blockers to flip the formation's strength on the fly with motion. For Cleveland, they became a gap-based run scheme. Over the last two seasons, the Browns lead the league in how often they use man-blocking and heavily feature schemes with pulling linemen.

Although they don't major in motion like the Shanahan tree, Cleveland uses pullers and tight ends blocking across the formation to get hat-on-hat to the play side. The Browns do this with a league-high rate in six-plus offensive linemen usage (10.8%), playing 24.3% of their snaps with two-plus tight ends, and leading the NFL in I-formation plays. Cleveland still ranked second in the percentage of runs to the outside (64.1%), marrying those outside runs to play-action passes.

At its core, the Browns offensive system is all about generating explosive plays with their run game setting up play-action."

Cole Strange can’t stay healthy is a weird way to describe what happened to him. Guy got leg whipped and suffered a freak injury. One of those things that you can’t account for and which have nothing to do with a player’s ability to stay healthy. This is like blaming Joe Theismann for his broken leg

 

[upstater1]

Even when Strange was healthy he wasn't very good.

I took one for the team and rewatched games from this past year. When Strange came back he was excellent. When he had a few games under his belt the team put together 5 straight excellent running games. Hard to do when the other team knows you can’t throw. When he got injured the entire play of the OL fell off and there were no more 150 yard rushing games. He’s underrated

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Sounds like a bunch of ******** trying to justify a ****ing Terrible ****ing pick.

You said it well in your previous post: meet the new boss, same as the old boss. At least that's what it seems like with their drafting strategy, trying to fit square pegs into round holes and bizarrely overvaluing guys that would be picked rounds later or NFAs. Maybe Wolf was on the same page with BB all along. They should have cleaned house.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Sounds like a bunch of ******** trying to justify a ****ing Terrible ****ing pick.

Writes the clown who slammed the decision to draft Onwenu as a terrible ****ing pick. We have the receipts.

 

[patfanken]

I HATED this pick. Not because of the player chosen but the one we left on the board. We COULD have had a legitimate cb prospect in TJ Tampa who most had going in the second. Not only was he the BPA, he was a position of need.

Selecting a G was a luxury

 

[PatsFan2]

I HATED this pick. Not because of the player chosen but the one we left on the board. We COULD have had a legitimate cb prospect in TJ Tampa who most had going in the second. Not only was he the BPA, he was a position of need.

Selecting a G was a luxury

Just like I hated the Marte Mapu pick last year Strange might be out for a while and may never be the same. I don't see them picking up his 5th Year option either Strange was just a horrible pick where we took him. IF Robinson competes for playing time it's not a bad pick hopefully he pans out like Shaq Mason.

 

[patfanken]

Just like I hated the Marte Mapu pick last year Strange might be out for a while and may never be the same. I don't see them picking up his 5th Year option either Strange was just a horrible pick where we took him. IF Robinson competes for playing time it's not a bad pick hopefully he pans out like Shaq Mason.

Well speaking of that, the last time we drafted OLmen in the 3rd and 4th, it WAS Thuney and Mason, iirc. So if these turn out to be 80% of those 2 guys, then it will be HR. BTW- I STILL would have rather gone with a CB, (Tampa) in the 4th, but it was pointed out to me that Bolden might fill the role I thought we needed for Tampa. I forgot about him. IIRC, we had another tall fast and raw CB that was drafted with Bolden. Who was he and what happened to him. Will he be back in camp?

 

[UrbanCowboy]

I took one for the team and rewatched games from this past year. When Strange came back he was excellent. When he had a few games under his belt the team put together 5 straight excellent running games. Hard to do when the other team knows you can’t throw. When he got injured the entire play of the OL fell off and there were no more 150 yard rushing games. He’s underrated

thanks for doing that! That was my impression watching last year, but I lack the tenacity to re-watch them. Good to know!

 

[ralmat55]

Watched a YouTube video of Jim Nagy the Executive Director of the Senior Bowl on EEI. Robinson played in the game. Nagy made this comment about Robinson that I found very interesting. Nagy said Robinson doesn’t have any position flexibility so Nagy said the Pats drafted him expecting him to be starter bacause you don’t use high 4th rounder on a one position backup.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Watched a YouTube video of Jim Nagy the Executive Director of the Senior Bowl on EEI. Robinson played in the game. Nagy made this comment about Robinson that I found very interesting. Nagy said Robinson doesn’t have any position flexibility so Nagy said the Pats drafted him expecting him to be starter bacause you don’t use high 4th rounder on a one position backup.

Thanks. That is what I think everyone assumed but it is great to hear Nagy say it. It also aligns with Mayo's comment that other OLmen have positional flexibility (which means Robinson does not). It seems like a unflexible guard could have waited until the 6th, and in the 4th we probably should have drafted BPA.

We still do not know what the Pats are thinking, but you have to assume the Robinson sits a year, and in 2025 Sow moves to LG. It is possible the Strange is signficantly hurt so Sow has to move to LG this year. Having said all that, Robinson at RG means Onwenu is staying at RT, and that makes the Wallace pick a head scratcher. If we pick a LT next year in R1 (very strong possibility), Wallace becomes a backup. A third round pick for a backup? The whole thing does not seem to make sense. The draft approach appears forced to follow some strategy instead of adjusting as the players came off the board. It is a bit unsettling. The Captain is saying the same thing, just a little bit more colorful - LOL.

 

[PatMan]

6’3-1/2” & 305 is not that “big” by NFL OL standards.

They had all ****ing night to think about this pick… EXACT same start to Day 3 as the previous, justifiably ****-canned grocery-shopper had last year…

Meet the New boss; same as the Old boss.

And riddle me this, BluntMan: On Friday, Wolfie chose someone who NEVER played Left Tackle in college… On Saturday, with his Very First Pick that day, he chose someone who, if he even makes the 53, will more likely than not have to be a Right Guard Only in the NFL… Meanwhile, during the offseason, the club re-signed Mike Onwenu to a big extension to play RIGHT TACKLE AND RIGHT GUARD for them…

Exactly Whatthe**** am I missing here?

I think you're missing the fact that our top O-line pick last year Sid Sow proved in extended reps that he's an NFL right guard and an XFL right tackle.

 

[PatMan]

Mayo made a comment about this pick which seemed telling. A reporter asked why they drafted a guard highly when they seem to have already invested a number of picks in recent years in guys who are playing guard, it doesn’t seem like a need.

Mayo responded that several of those players who were drafted previously and are playing guard now have positional flexibility and could move to another position which would create a need at guard.

IMO this could mean:
- Strange at center or tackle
- Mafi at center
- Sow at tackle
- Onwenu back to guard if another player takes over at right tackle

A lot of moving parts there. Will have to see what permutations they try in camp.

I saw him say this too and was baffled there was no pushback or follow up questions on that statement...

The O-line was a veritable dumpster fire last year with only Cannon showing positional flexibility.

It's not even a given that Strange and Mafi can play one position in the NFL let alone multiple positions...

 

[captain stone]

Watched a YouTube video of Jim Nagy the Executive Director of the Senior Bowl on EEI. Robinson played in the game. Nagy made this comment about Robinson that I found very interesting. Nagy said Robinson doesn’t have any position flexibility so Nagy said the Pats drafted him expecting him to be starter bacause you don’t use high 4th rounder on a one position backup.

Yeah that's what he looks to me also: an NFL Right Guard-Only... Never was good enough to play even Left Guard on his college team...

 

[captain stone]

Thanks. That is what I think everyone assumed but it is great to hear Nagy say it. It also aligns with Mayo's comment that other OLmen have positional flexibility (which means Robinson does not). It seems like a unflexible guard could have waited until the 6th, and in the 4th we probably should have drafted BPA.

We still do not know what the Pats are thinking, but you have to assume the Robinson sits a year, and in 2025 Sow moves to LG. It is possible the Strange is signficantly hurt so Sow has to move to LG this year. Having said all that, Robinson at RG means Onwenu is staying at RT, and that makes the Wallace pick a head scratcher. If we pick a LT next year in R1 (very strong possibility), Wallace becomes a backup. A third round pick for a backup? The whole thing does not seem to make sense. The draft approach appears forced to follow some strategy instead of adjusting as the players came off the board. It is a bit unsettling. The Captain is saying the same thing, just a little bit more colorful - LOL.

Yep, Wallace & Robinson were awful - simply AWFUL - picks where they were taken. Amagadjie, Matt Goncalves, and Dominick Puni would've been better picks at 75; and Javon Foster & even Mason McCormick the same at 103.

 

[captain stone]

I think you're missing the fact that our top O-line pick last year Sid Sow proved in extended reps that he's an NFL right guard and an XFL right tackle.

Agree about the Sow... Still doesn't explain why Wolfie & the Leftovers drafted TWO Right-Side linemen.