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Eric Mangini took over a team that Herm Edwards had gone 15-19 with over the previous 2 years, including a playoff win and a .441 winning percentage, and has gone 13-17 with no playoff wins and a lower .433 winning percentage.

His one year as defensive coordinator with the Patriots was a disaster with the leakiest defense of the Patriots Super Bowl era and with an alarming propensity to give up very big plays. It was cleaned up the very next year after Mangini left by Dean Pees with the best defense in Patriots franchise history in terms of points allowed.

I see very little to indicate Eric Mangini is a good coordinator at this point in his career, let alone a good head coach, and he took a job as one well before he was ready to do so.

J D Sal
 
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I thought the truth about Mangini was that he's the only man to eat three extra-large pepperoni, stuffed crust pizzas in one sitting. I guess I was wrong...
 
Eric Mangini took over a team that Herm Edwards had gone 15-19 with over the previous 2 years, including a playoff win and a .441 winning percentage, and has gone 13-17 with no playoff wins and a lower .433 winning percentage.

His one year as defensive coordinator with the Patriots was a disaster with the leakiest defense of the Patriots Super Bowl era and with an alarming propensity to give up very big plays. It was cleaned up the very next year after Mangini left by Dean Peas with the best defense in Patriots franchise history in terms of points allowed.

I see very little to indicate Eric Mangini is a good coordinator at this point in his career, let alone a good head coach, and he took a job as one well before he was ready to do so.

J D Sal

That sums it up in a nutshell. What Mangina has done is ape BB's "style" without the substance to back it up -- being a hardass, showing his team films of old boxing matches to motivate them, etc. He's immature.
 
It was cleaned up the very next year after Mangini left by Dean Peas with the best defense in Patriots franchise history in terms of points allowed.

It's "Pees" but that's okay I'm sure the big guy's had his name spelled wrong his whole life.
 
I think much of Mangini's success his first year was because he brought with him BB's game plans & analysis of other teams strengths and weaknesses. (Literally he stole a laptop.) And was able to put that to use. As teams evolved he was unable to do his own analysis.
 
Eric Mangini took over a team that Herm Edwards had gone 15-19 with over the previous 2 years, including a playoff win and a .441 winning percentage, and has gone 13-17 with no playoff wins and a lower .433 winning percentage.

His one year as defensive coordinator with the Patriots was a disaster with the leakiest defense of the Patriots Super Bowl era and with an alarming propensity to give up very big plays. It was cleaned up the very next year after Mangini left by Dean Peas with the best defense in Patriots franchise history in terms of points allowed.

I see very little to indicate Eric Mangini is a good coordinator at this point in his career, let alone a good head coach, and he took a job as one well before he was ready to do so.

J D Sal

Yeah, that's why BB was PISSED when Mangini took the Jets HC job

Look, I know Manjudas is a rat f!nk bastard, but if he sucked as a DC, BB would have cared less if he had left us. Obviously he was good or had a lot of potential if BB wanted to keep him on board that badly. Maybe he just stepped out from under the shadow too quickly. The knife in the back didn't help either.
 
I think much of Mangini's success his first year was because he brought with him BB's game plans & analysis of other teams strengths and weaknesses. (Literally he stole a laptop.) And was able to put that to use. As teams evolved he was unable to do his own analysis.

I agree, and it won't be any easier for him next year either.
 
Yeah, that's why BB was PISSED when Mangini took the Jets HC job

Look, I know Manjudas is a rat f!nk bastard, but if he sucked as a DC, BB would have cared less if he had left us. Obviously he was good or had a lot of potential if BB wanted to keep him on board that badly. Maybe he just stepped out from under the shadow too quickly. The knife in the back didn't help either.
If BB was pissed (and we're making assumptions here, we're not inside his head) it was because Mangini showed a lack of respect for his mentor advice. Not for team reasons. You make wild leaps of assumptions using phrases such as "that badly" to try to make your case. Its a common tactic but again, you aren't in his head. You just inserted that in there passing over the analysis of what you actually know for a fact. You assume it was "that badly" with not much thought, it appears. You state it as fact. You weren't there. You don't know how badly BB wanted to keep him. And, again, as I speculated (not claimed I knew), it could be for inter-personal reasons, not team reasons.

Mangini's performance as coordinator was abysmal. Period. That we know.

And the numbers as Jets coach speak for themselves. I didn't invent them. You igorred those facts.

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Look I dislike the guy as well, but let's face it, he was offered a head coaching position in the NFL. Was he supposed to turn it down just because BB said so??? Was it not BB who broke away from Parcells and the same animosity exists between the two of them as well?

I'll agree with the comment that he probably wasn't ready for this job, but that's between him and the Jets ownership.

I'm willing to bet that most of us here would have jumped at the chance as well. That said, he's still a rat in my book and I see no problem with us laying 50 or more on him.
 
Look I dislike the guy as well, but let's face it, he was offered a head coaching position in the NFL. Was he supposed to turn it down just because BB said so??? Was it not BB who broke away from Parcells and the same animosity exists between the two of them as well?

I thought BB and Parcells had made up, no? I'm sure I read that somewhere. Parcells certainly doesn't show any animosity on TV. He defended BB during the spygate nonsense.
 
Look I dislike the guy as well, but let's face it, he was offered a head coaching position in the NFL. Was he supposed to turn it down just because BB said so??? Was it not BB who broke away from Parcells and the same animosity exists between the two of them as well?

I'll agree with the comment that he probably wasn't ready for this job, but that's between him and the Jets ownership.

I'm willing to bet that most of us here would have jumped at the chance as well. That said, he's still a rat in my book and I see no problem with us laying 50 or more on him.
Hey, he can do whatever he wants. He wasn't "supposed" to turn it down, he has to do what he feels is right. That being said, plenty of people turn down NFL jobs. Gary Kubiak declined jobs for years before he took the Texans job.

I think disregarding BB's advice shows Mangini to be a fool. BB said he wasn't ready. Guess what? He's not. BB right again. So, Mangini isn't "supposed" to do the right thing, but he would have looked better if he hadn't been an inpatient buffoon who thinks he knows more than he really does. He wasn't ready after one disappointing season as DC.

J D Sal
 
The "Truth"? he's a RAT FINK BACK STABBIN P.O.S. (piece of sh*t) who pizzzed of the hands the fed him ( us fans included as well). His own team despise's him as do 98% of the coaches in the NFL. He's a f**king weasel toe jam eating parasitic jelly donut small nutted excuse of a fat worm.:rocker: Phew. I feel better now.
 
I thought some of the animosity between BB and EM had more to do with EM recruiting Pats players and coaches on the return flight from the SB versus not taking advice about the job.
 
My only defense of Mangini in 2005 would be that he lost Bruschi and Ted Johnson in the off-season, making Chad Brown and Monty Beisel the de facto starters in the middle. Also, Randall Gay, Chad Scott and Rodney Harrison all ended up on IR, making him depend on players like Michael Stone, Hank Poteat and Duane Starks (mercifully placed on IR midway through the season).

I just don't think the stats tell the story there in terms of Mangoober's abilities. That said, I hope the Pats cover the spread by the first half this week.
 
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I just don't think the stats tell the story there in terms of Mangoober's abilities. That said, I hope the Pats cover the spread by the first half this week.
What? Not the first quarter?
 
I thought some of the animosity between BB and EM had more to do with EM recruiting Pats players and coaches on the return flight from the SB versus not taking advice about the job.

Yup, that's about all it took. An amazing lack of judgment and act of desperation.
 
Suck it, Mangina.
 
If BB was pissed (and we're making assumptions here, we're not inside his head) it was because Mangini showed a lack of respect for his mentor advice. Not for team reasons. You make wild leaps of assumptions using phrases such as "that badly" to try to make your case. Its a common tactic but again, you aren't in his head. You just inserted that in there passing over the analysis of what you actually know for a fact. You assume it was "that badly" with not much thought, it appears. You state it as fact. You weren't there. You don't know how badly BB wanted to keep him. And, again, as I speculated (not claimed I knew), it could be for inter-personal reasons, not team reasons.

Mangini's performance as coordinator was abysmal. Period. That we know.

And the numbers as Jets coach speak for themselves. I didn't invent them. You igorred those facts.

J D Sal

Now you're the one making assumptions based on nothing more than your own perception of what was wrong with this D in 2005. Aside from losing Rodney, TJ, Tedy and getting saddled with Starks and Beisel for all or parts of the season...that is.

It's pretty well documented that Mangini was was not your run of the mill young assistant promoted to coordinator, he was Bill's protogee and friend. As Michael Holley pointed out in Patriots Reign, unlike Bill's other support staff, he and Mangini could fight heatedly like father and son for an hour over defensive concepts and then stroll onto the practice field beaming like brothers. And that was when he was still just an assistant, and Romeo was the DC.

Eric's problem is, was and always will be an overabundance of ego, likely fed by the media spin of him as the golden child ball boy discovery of the master. Like most children he probably believed he was inherently smarter than the dad and easily convinced himself the dad just wasn't too keen on his proving it. So he took the job where he obviously could - and it blew up in his face because as is so often the case, father knew best. He could have gotten away with failing in another venue, and the surrogate father would have had his back as had his before him. But he wanted to prove his superiority by taking down old pops in his own back yard. And the father likely would have forgiven that in time, he had already moved past the cold stare to a bearhug once he publicly throttled the kid.

Only when as year 2 unfolded and it proved to be a lot tougher to beat the old man than young Eric's ego envisioned, he succombed to the temptation to try a little dagger in the back aimed at knocking the old man off stride. Only that too blew up in his face even worse. And now he's left facing 2008 fighting for his NFL life with no pops to bail him out 'cause the old man has now thoroughly and likely permanently disowned him.

The truth about Mangini is he struggled daily to check his ego at the door of Gillette, and at the first opportunity to bolt it convinced him to make a move just a touch of street savvy and common sense clearly dictated he pass on. Typical bright kid overly impressed with his own perceived intelligence and oblivious to his own shortsightedness, he couldn't take advantage of the wisdom BB tried to impart based on 30 years experience and a decade of mentoring and friendship.

That ego will make it even harder for him to go back to being somebody elses NFL coordinator, if he even gets a chance. I mean, this is a man who's done Sprint commercials and guested on the Sopranos... More likely he persues a college HC job where he can at least convince himself he remains intellectually superior to his peers and he will receive a seven figure salary and some head man perks albeit on a local level.
 
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