Patriots Player Departure Mac Jones traded to Jags for a 6th

[sb1]

Imagine wearing your name studded around your neck lol.

Either Sophie got it for him and made him wear it or the dude is a tool who really would wear something like that in public. smh

 

[signbabybrady]

Belichick has been reported to believe that he could plug almost any QB in his offense and still win. He doesn't value drafting QBs high.

That quote I believe was said by Lombardi about Bill's feelings and even still I believe has always been taken out of context I think his point was more about how good he thought the 2014 roster was that it could have won with a number of different top 15 Quarterbacks and some how twisted into Bill thinking he could win with anyone. Not anyone it was a top 15 QB combined with a pretty stacked SB winning roster and by win I don't think he meant a SB just a lot of games kind of like getting 11 wins with Cassel and the carryover stacked 07 roster.

Or maybe the '16 roster I forget exactly what year it was said.

 

[stcjones]

What the ****? That’s a Pro Bowl QB, and all they got was 6th????????

Agree completely

 

[slash83]

Agree completely

Pro bowl is a joke.

 

[Wozzy]

No it isn't. Belichick has had final say on draft picks from day one. No one has reported that he was overruled by Kraft or anyone else. Again, not even the report that you cite.

One report said that Belichick gave in because he said to Kraft that he would be open to other people's suggestions and he didn't want to go back on his word on the first pick under his promise. But even then, the report was Belichick had final say.

I don't dismiss the reports. I just am not putting a biased spin on the what was reported. Again, post the direct quote. You won't because it doesn't say what you claim it does.

BB had autonomy up until 2021, so I guess you can continue to twist in the wind telling us why Kraft was on tv telling us this or why now multiple reporters have stated BB wanted to go another direction in the draft but also a year later after watching Mac play… or you can continue to bury your head in the sand because BB was a big meanie. Grow up.

 

[Rob0729]

That quote I believe was said by Lombardi about Bill's feelings and even still I believe has always been taken out of context I think his point was more about how good he thought the 2014 roster was that it could have won with a number of different top 15 Quarterbacks and some how twisted into Bill thinking he could win with anyone. Not anyone it was a top 15 QB combined with a pretty stacked SB winning roster and by win I don't think he meant a SB just a lot of games kind of like getting 11 wins with Cassel and the carryover stacked 07 roster.

Or maybe the '16 roster I forget exactly what year it was said.

Even with your explanation, the odds are that Belichick would be resistant to draft a QB with the 15th pick. You can get a top 15 QB outside the first round. You can get a top 15 QB in the third round.

 

[stcjones]

There were 4 teams bidding for Mac. That means 4 teams probably offered 7th round picks and then we negotiated with Jacksonville to upgrade their offer to a 6th round pick.

They know best (meaning Mayo and staff. But there is something to be said for stretching it out to at least the draft before pulling the trigger on this deal….7th or 6th would still be there I’m sure …just hard to believe we couldn’t get anything higher

 

[festy1986]

Yeah I don't run around defending that decision but he didn't fire him he was unable to re-sign him after the contract ran out. They should of done whatever it took to keep Brady.

I generally let the Bill bashers say what they want about that I just don't like the rewriting of history and stripping of what did actually happen when things were perfect. Years 20-23 obviously weren't.

How convenient. Why did his contract run out? Was it cause he refused to give him a 2 year contract?

Brady didn't decide to leave. He left when his boss made it clear to him it was time to move on.

 

[50-yard-line]

Wozzy and Upstarter are like those Japanese soldiers in the caves for years after WW2 who didn’t know the war was over.

They’re not the ones who keep bringing this crap up.

 

[stcjones]

Uniform number 10 now available

Lord I hope so!

 

[festy1986]

lol… Brady was a free agent.

It’s the “free” in free agent that must have you confused.

You're confused. He was a free agent because he negotiated it when his boss told him he wasn't getting no two year contracts.

I guess you forgot about that part.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

They know best (meaning Mayo and staff. But there is something to be said for stretching it out to at least the draft before pulling the trigger on this deal….7th or 6th would still be there I’m sure …just hard to believe we couldn’t get anything higher

32 GMs, including Wolf, think less of Mac than you do. They might be right.

 

[festy1986]

You can look at a lot of coaches and try and make the argument but none of them win without a good quarterback. Coaches draw up the game plans but they can’t be dominant without great players, especially at QB. People oversimplify that argument, but it applies to all of them. In our case, you put together the best coach and the best quarterback and it led to two decades of dominance.

You put Brady with Dungy or another coach at that level and maybe he wins 3-4 Super Bowls and makes noise in the regular season the way Manning did (except Brady knew how to finish). But football in January the last two years has been a reminder of how much a great coach matters, and Bill remains at the top there. And it’s because Brady executed what he asked him to flawlessly. It was the perfect match.

At the end of the day, Bill’s roster building - and ego - at the end is what cost him. But it doesn’t - and shouldn’t - take away what they accomplished together. He ultimately moved on from Brady just three years too early. We should be thankful it wasn’t 6-7 years because we would have potentially missed out on two more championships.

Brady won one with Arians and leftwhich.

He didn't need Bill the way Bill needed him.

I think that's objectively fact. You know. Cause that's how the facts presented them self when both had a chance to shine without the other.

 

[Rob0729]

BB had autonomy up until 2021, so I guess you can continue to twist in the wind telling us why Kraft was on tv telling us this or why now multiple reporters have stated BB wanted to go another direction in the draft but also a year later after watching Mac play… or you can continue to bury your head in the sand because BB was a big meanie. Grow up.

Please post proof of your allegations. The only report that I have ever seen speaking directly to any changes in drafting was the Belichick agreed to listen to others more and give them input. There isn’t one report that Belichick gave up final say.

And Belichick was really high on Mac going into the 2022 season. He gushed over how much Mac improved from year one with his mechanics. It wasn’t until midseason that he soured on Mac.

Belichick on Patriots' QB Mac Jones: 'Dramatic Improvement'

In a rare compliment, New England's coach effusively praised his quarterback at training camp.

www.si.com

 

[venecol]

I have to wonder if there's any truth to the BB wanted to trade Mac last off season... and what kind of draft pick that would've gotten.

RUMOR: Bill Belichick Had Deal In Place To Trade QB Mac Jones Last Offseason, Planned To Pursue Another Big-Name Quarterback

According to a new report, Bill Belichick had a deal in place to trade Mac Jones last offseason, but it was vetoed by Robert Kraft.

www.totalprosports.com

I think they tried to trade him last offseason and the trade deadline but what I've read is there was no interest, whatever that means.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Pro bowl is a joke.

Why is it a joke?

You get to see the 12-16th best players at their positions play flag football. What could be better than that?

 

[Wozzy]

You're confused. He was a free agent because he negotiated it when his boss told him he wasn't getting no two year contracts.

I guess you forgot about that part.

He negotiated for it because his wife was harassing him to either retire or move them to Miami.

He negotiated for it because the Pat’s were nearly broke and at the end of their rope in terms of cap flexibility, roster age and resources.

Roster building isn’t predicated on feelings, Tom on a bad roster is still a bad team. Both sides were correct to move on when they did, it was the right thing for both team and player.

BB didn’t fire Brady like you said, otherwise I wouldn’t have responded at all.

 

[Ian]

Brady won one with Arians and leftwhich.

He didn't need Bill the way Bill needed him.

I think that's objectively fact. You know. Cause that's how the facts presented them self when both had a chance to shine without the other.

Again, it's true of any head coach, they all can't win without a good quarterback. I'm not downplaying Brady's importance at all, but I'm also not discounting the impact a head coach has - especially one like Belichick - has either. A head coach can cost you games in spite of your players, which becomes evident every postseason.

Aside from the Malcolm Butler Super Bowl, that fortunately didn't happen with Bill (albeit - I'll forever be angry over that one.) But Bill played a role in flipping a lot of games where Brady helped seal the deal. Without Brady, they don't close out some of those games. But with another coach - given how close many of them were - things also could absolutely have been different. Put the two together, and you go on an unprecedented run.

As I said, it's easy to oversimplify it, but it is what it is. We were fortunate to get both of those guys together at the same time, and unfortunately, we'll certainly never see or experience anything like it again.

 

[Wozzy]

Please post proof of your allegations. The only report that I have ever seen speaking directly to any changes in drafting was the Belichick agreed to listen to others more and give them input. There isn’t one report that Belichick gave up final say.

And Belichick was really high on Mac going into the 2022 season. He gushed over how much Mac improved from year one with his mechanics. It wasn’t until midseason that he soured on Mac.

Belichick on Patriots' QB Mac Jones: 'Dramatic Improvement'

In a rare compliment, New England's coach effusively praised his quarterback at training camp.

www.si.com

Robert Kraft: 'I don't feel like we've done the greatest job the last few years' in the draft

 

[stcjones]

BB blunderous decision to name Patricia and Judge as OC definitely played a big role in the regression of Jones….no question there. Mac had great chemistry with McD…..had he stayed in NE instead of leaving to LV….might have been a different outcome. But BB also whiffed on providing some big time offensive weapons and decent OL personnel as well which also set the table for failure. Mac has his share of the blame for sure but a lot of the issues fall on BB and staff