Drake Maye would be the IDEAL pick for the Patriots at #3

[Huckleberry1]

Lazar's mock would be perfect - all hinges on Suamataia (OT from BYU) making it down to 34. Guy sounds like a beast. I saw another mock where he's taken at 31 so hope he slides.

I actually don’t know that much about him. I have been waiting for post combine evaluations to go deeper than the first round, and hadn’t seen him in that mix yet.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I brought up Jamarcus Russell and Akili Smith after you brought up Trevor Simian and Jared Stidham

I can use a straw man argument too.

Akili Smith’s case at least has the eerie similarity of the Pats’ situation since he was the third of three QBs picked to start the draft.

And once again, who was picked where is completely irrelevant to other drafts. But your point that they really don’t need a QB been duly noted.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Lazar's mock would be perfect - all hinges on Suamataia (OT from BYU) making it down to 34. Guy sounds like a beast. I saw another mock where he's taken at 31 so hope he slides.

I agree that his approach is the best one for the Patriots. I’m all for the double dipping at WR and OT.

 

[The Gr8est]

You win Gr8test. You are right, the Patriots should never draft a Quarterback, because ….JaMarcus Russell. One minute Jayden Daniels is 210, the next minute he’s 385 lbs. They just can’t take a chance like that. So what if their competitors have Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen, the Patriots can just put Marvin Harrison Jr. out wide and have Rhamondre Stevenson throw to him. Thanks for your cutting edge contributions, I’m guessing every team will go to your no quarterbacks model just as soon as they see how well it’s working in New England.

Harrison is just an example of a great prospect being selected over a good prospect with a greater chance of busting.

My preference is actually to trade down and get a QB a bit later, like 2nd round.

The value of 3rd pick us to valuable to use on a position of need, over a greater player at a lesser need.

Just wanting a franchise QB to be there at #3 doesn’t make it happen.

 

[Patriot Missile]

As enticing as a trade down may be, I don’t think people are going to like it very much if Maye or Daniels turns the fortunes of another franchise knowing the Patriots could of drafted said player.

It’s complicated lol. Identify your QB and take him. These pro days and free agency are gonna be a blast this month.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I brought up Jamarcus Russell and Akili Smith after you brought up Trevor Simian and Jared Stidham

I can use a straw man argument too.

Akili Smith’s case at least has the eerie similarity of the Pats’ situation since he was the third of three QBs picked to start the draft.

The Patriots shouldn’t draft a WR in the first round because Henry Ruggs drove too fast.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Harrison is just an example of a great prospect being selected over a good prospect with a greater chance of busting.

My preference is actually to trade down and get a QB a bit later, like 2nd round.

The value of 3rd pick us to valuable to use on a position of need, over a greater player at a lesser need.

Just wanting a franchise QB to be there at #3 doesn’t make it happen.

Literally no one has said they should take a QB just because they need one, and everyone agrees that if they don’t believe in the QB they shouldn’t take them. I know I have said that repeatedly. But since you insist on just talking ******** on this I’m done talking about it with you. Adios.

 

[The Gr8est]

And once again, who was picked where is completely irrelevant to other drafts. But your point that they really don’t need a QB been duly noted.

I said the Pats don’t need a QB?

Another straw man argument.

 

[PatsFan2]

I get what you are saying, and it’s a perfectly valid take, . And I agree that 3 is too high, but I still prioritize franchise caliber over decent starter. If I’m going to use that pick in a quarterback then they have to have the highest upside, and not the highest floor. Bo Nix and Penix could possibly end up being decent starting quarterbacks, but that only take a team so far, usually ending in the Divisional Round of the playoffs, at best. And McCarthy could end up being a total bust, like Zach Wilson is to this point in time. However McCarthy also has an upside that if coached properly, and he takes to that coaching, could be good enough to win Lombardi’s with. And this is the critical quality for me when it comes to taking the quarterback in the first round, can you win championships with them? If you just thing decent starter is their ceiling then wait until the second round to take them, otherwise you are wasting your first round pick, which imo should always be used for a prospect with ALL PRO upside, regardless of need, and not used just to fill a need. And that isn’t pro bowl upside, because literally anyone can make the pro bowl these days, as the real top players always pass on it, but ALL PRO, the best of the best.

So, while I agree that 3 is a big risk with McCarthy, I would still use it if I believed that he’s a potential top 4 QB in this league. But it’s always better to take the risk than it is to be happy with mediocre.

Private workouts are going to be key we'll have to trust the brass regardless.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Should be in the Draft Forum.

Ian made it clear about a month ago that draft talk in the main forum is fine because free agency and the draft are all that is going on anyways.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Private workouts are going to be key we'll have to trust the brass regardless.

I think the bulk of the work on the top players has been done by the scouts and personnel people already, the pro days will just be about trying to confirm or deny any doubts or questions they might have.

 

[NFL Mystique]

NFL Mock Drafts: Patriots could make wild reach for QB with ‘very same qualities’ as C.J. Stroud

In a new wave of mock drafts, experts are making some wild picks for the Patriots, including a QB that would be a huge gamble.

www.masslive.com

 

[NFL Mystique]

Then the Pats can take the generational player in MHJ themselves and get the QB later.

The Pats can clearly make a case for MHJ, and if MHJ means enough to Arizona, then they will step up. Is it a crazy idea that the Pats would take MJH?

He may be the best player in the draft.

I am not locked into QB at 3 and I hope the Pat’s aren’t either.

Your draft strategy also needs to be flexible. You can’t force the draft, you play the draft as it develops.

Unless you have the #1 pick, the draft is not entirely under your control.

Which QB?

You can win a SB with an elite QB and no MHJ. You won't win a SB with MHJ and a jag under center

 

[NFL Mystique]

Defense will be too good to land in top three again. Especially since the new HC will be trying his best to win. Not send messages.

McCarthy is a reach at three. I can see a team like Denver taking him. But not three spot. If they take McCarthy at three, and he is a bust, Mayo/Wolf are out of a job very quickly.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Which QB?

You can win a SB with an elite QB and no MHJ. You won't win a SB with MHJ and a jag under center

Exactly. And this has been demonstrated over and over and over …….. An elite WR would be great, but an elite QB is a must.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Exactly. And this has been demonstrated over and over and over …….. An elite WR would be great, but an elite QB is a must.

Yep.

Thing is, you stockpile picks for drafts like this. That's what lots of picks are for. To get your guy. The Patriots have him sitting there at three. No assets or players needed to get him.

Jefferson hasn't turned Minnesota into a contender. Look at Megatron in Detroit.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Defense will be too good to land in top three again. Especially since the new HC will be trying his best to win. Not send messages.

McCarthy is a reach at three. I can see a team like Denver taking him. But not three spot. If they take McCarthy at three, and he is a bust, Mayo/Wolf are out of a job very quickly.

I think 3 is really risky for McCarthy, but as I said in another post the bottom line for me with first round QB’s is your projected ceiling for them, and the likelihood they can reach that ceiling. So even though it’s riskier I would still rather see them take him at 3 if they believe he can become an elite QB, than to use a first on a a guy they see as a “ decent starter.” In this case one of the top 3 would have to be out of the picture for some reason for McCarthy to be that pick, but in terms of overall philosophy I only want them to use their first round picks for players they believe will be elite. Every year teams pass on the Ed Reed, JJ Watt, and Aaron Donald’s to pick for need, and that’s usually a mistake, with the exception being drafting the QB. They still need to believe completely in that QB, but that’s the case where you have to fill that position with a great prospect, and that need is greater than overall rating.

 

[NFL Mystique]

I think 3 is really risky for McCarthy, but as I said in another post the bottom line for me with first round QB’s is your projected ceiling for them, and the likelihood they can reach that ceiling. So even though it’s riskier I would still rather see them take him at 3 if they believe he can become an elite QB, than to use a first on a a guy they see as a “ decent starter.” In this case one of the top 3 would have to be out of the picture for some reason for McCarthy to be that pick, but in terms of overall philosophy I only want them to use their first round picks for players they believe will be elite. Every year teams pass on the Ed Reed, JJ Watt, and Aaron Donald’s to pick for need, and that’s usually a mistake, with the exception being drafting the QB. They still need to believe completely in that QB, but that’s the case where you have to fill that position with a great prospect, and that need is greater than overall rating.

My guess is the Patriots end up taking Daniels or Maye at three. And this is all moot.

I see where you are coming from though. At worst, they need to come out of this draft with McCarthy. If they come out without any of the three QB's, it's going to be a disaster.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Defense will be too good to land in top three again. Especially since the new HC will be trying his best to win. Not send messages.

McCarthy is a reach at three. I can see a team like Denver taking him. But not three spot. If they take McCarthy at three, and he is a bust, Mayo/Wolf are out of a job very quickly.

Mayo won’t get blamed if Wolf makes the final decision. He will get blamed if they play sloppy football. One of my biggest criticisms of Belichick’s final years here was his willingness to stand by unit coaches like Cam Achord, when their ST units were playing like ****, despite being loaded up with really good ST players. Mayo can’t allow that to go on, and will need to hold his coaching staff as accountable as he does the players.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Mayo won’t get blamed if Wolf makes the final decision. He will get blamed if they play sloppy football. One of my biggest criticisms of Belichick’s final years here was his willingness to stand by unit coaches like Cam Achord, when their ST units were playing like ****, despite being loaded up with really good ST players. Mayo can’t allow that to go on, and will need to hold his coaching staff as accountable as he does the players.

Depends on who has final say. I'm assuming it's the GM. So you are correct.

Maybe the team has a bad record again. But there are signs of light at the end of the tunnel.