Rumor that Pats will sign a vet QB, draft a QB at 3 and move Mac EDIT: [was] From Mark Daniel’s mouth to Gods Ears

[Huckleberry1]

I am still in the trade back camp, move back a few places (Atlanta 8?) amass draft capital then pick McCarthy who will probably be best suited to have a developmental year..
But I favor signing a veteran QB as a mentor..

And what if someone jumps up and takes McCarthy ahead of them? Then you are left with dogshit, and no prospect of fixing it anytime soon. I suppose they could just go with Flacco for the next decade.

 

[scar3392]

Im starting to get aboard the slight trade down to pick up some extra picks, draft JJ McCarthy, sit him for a year or two and bring in Gardner Minshew for the Vet job. He wouldn't break the bank, he's only 27 so he'd be playin hard for another contract and has a career 90 rating, 62.6 % and a 2.5 to 1 td/int ratio and always seems to play above his abilities despite being on some really bad teams (Jax).

 

[Huckleberry1]

The answer to all this is from the report the Pats are taking a QB at #3:

But the Patriots look at it like this: If you get the rare chance to draft one of the top prospects at the game’s most valuable position, it’s worth taking a big swing even if the surrounding roster isn’t great. The quarterback position is simply too important to risk passing on one in hopes of maybe landing one a year or two later.

I think most Patriots fans will sit thru a 4-win season if it means they got the franchise QB going forward, I don't think they'll be that bad but so what if they are? You get your "Chase" to go with your "Burrow" in 2025. You also get to see young players develop, a young coach put his stamp on the team and by the end of the year, at worst, a glimpse of your future franchise QB.

Daniels, Maye and Williams are first round prospects. No other QB is, so yes, there is a really, really big drop off.

The current line and receivers will not be the starting lineup for 2024.

The 2025 draft is rated VERY, VERY weak on 1st round picks, a mid to late 2025 1st is not that valuable, same as a 2024 2nd.
You are not getting Jeudy without giving up some good assets/picks which partially defeats the trade down for assets and picks.

Being mediocre right away leads to mediocre over the long run, I'll take 1 more bad year, followed by a decade of real playoff contention vs 10 years of Pittsburgh Steeler post-Ben level of mediocrity.

Jeudy is also due over 12 million next season, and then becomes a free agent. Denver should have traded him a year ago, when they still could have gotten a decent pick for him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The people who keep saying “ trade back and take McCarthy” don’t seem to realize that if they try that ever QB needy team behind them will know that’s exactly what they are trying to do, and one of them will just trade up ahead of them and take him. And when they do the Patriots will be **** out of luck.

 

[PatsFan2]

Jeudy is also due over 12 million next season, and then becomes a free agent. Denver should have traded him a year ago, when they still could have gotten a decent pick for him.

Very easy pass on Jeudy choke on his 12 Mill Payton and Denver.

 

[Real fan 02]

I wouldn’t spend for Ridley, he started off pretty good for Jacksonville, but ended up really inconsistent. He’s a lot like Jeudy to me, both big name first round wide outs who are very overrated at this time. I wouldn’t touch either of them. This isn’t a situation where they just need a WR to get them over the top, so I would take one on day two, and maybe another 1-2 on day 3 of the Draft, as well as looking at the rest of the free agent pool, and cap cuts and releases.

We aren't in a position to be overly picky, if Ridley is available to us, at a reasonable cost.. pursue him.. Yes definitely take WR in the draft, at some point they are going to have to start working out.. heck take 2 WRs.. they need TALENT!! any way it can be obtained wich will be by draft, trade, FAs.. another player of note is Hollywood brown. The WR position needs a rehaul it should be pop, and then everyone else you want to add ,keep, trade or whatever. I care less about a salary and more about the talent level.. it's nice to be able to have quality players for cheap but that's not a realistic option in 2024 NFL. Owner's aren't making less, cost of living isn't going down.. so player's salaries shouldn't either. They are going to have to get with the times, and increase thier spending. Of course doing it wisely.
Just my humble opinion...

 

[Huckleberry1]

Very easy pass on Jeudy choke on his 12 Mill Payton and Denver.

Overall I don’t see the point in bringing in players who are in their option year and then a free agent.

 

[Huckleberry1]

We aren't in a position to be overly picky, if Ridley is available to us, at a reasonable cost.. pursue him.. Yes definitely take WR in the draft, at some point they are going to have to start working out.. heck take 2 WRs.. they need TALENT!! any way it can be obtained wich will be by draft, trade, FAs.. another player of note is Hollywood brown. The WR position needs a rehaul it should be pop, and then everyone else you want to add ,keep, trade or whatever. I care less about a salary and more about the talent level.. it's nice to be able to have quality players for cheap but that's not a realistic option in 2024 NFL. Owner's aren't making less, cost of living isn't going down.. so player's salaries shouldn't either. They are going to have to get with the times, and increase thier spending. Of course doing it wisely.
Just my humble opinion...

I see it differently. I think the Patriots are in position to be picky because there is nothing riding on it. The teams that are up against it are the teams that see themselves in a championship window, and need to get over the hump, like Buffalo, Miami, Detroit etc… The Jets are up against it, but for a different reason, which is that their QB is almost if not done. The Patriots just need to make smart moves for their long term future, not rash moves where they overpay, and given the lack of receivers on the market I can see a team like the Jets overpaying Ridley so they can go OT in the Draft.

 

[Real fan 02]

I see it differently. I think the Patriots are in position to be picky because there is nothing riding on it. The teams that are up against it are the teams that see themselves in a championship window, and need to get over the hump, like Buffalo, Miami, Detroit etc… The are up against it, but for a different reason, which is that their QB is almost if not done. The Patriots just need to make smart moves for their long term future, not rash moves where they overpay, and given the lack of receivers on the market I can see a team like the Jets overpaying Ridley so they can go OT in the Draft.

I agree. They need talent !wolf said himself they need to weaponize the offense. The QB and offensive line are vital. Then I'd say the skill positions.. the NFL from season to season can change in an instant.. the smart moves would be the QB and offensive line first and then the skill positions at WR, TE.

 

[The Gr8est]

Great strategy to leak picking a QB at #3 ...
Get the trade up teams to fall all over themselves.
I still think #3 could bring almost a #1 haul ...

None of this is new ... everyone already knew draft a QB and sign a vet.

With the haul that high draft picks have gotten for trades, I expect all of the teams with high picks, say 1-5, are looking at the possibilities.

The potential payoff is too great.

 

[The Gr8est]

Out of all the scenarios, the Pats drafting Caleb Williams is the worst. After Wolf went on and on about leadership and body language, I can't see him turning around and picking him.

If Williams slipped to 3, I’ve got to think there would be teams competing to trade up for him.

The perceived value would be too great.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

If Williams slipped to 3, I’ve got to think there would be teams competing to trade up for him.

The perceived value would be too great.

As long as the Pats choice was still on the board, they could get some good return from some team who really liked Williams.

 

[hornetfb85]

You read like crazy Ivan dreaming up comspricay theories of the Patriors demise where I am the architect.

Tell me Ivan, how can Mayo be held responsible for following Kraft orders?

“Crazy Ivan”…what does a Russian submarine tactic have to do with all this…

 

[Huckleberry1]

With the haul that high draft picks have gotten for trades, I expect all of the teams with high picks, say 1-5, are looking at the possibilities.

The potential payoff is too great.

The Falcons got a top 5 draft pick ate, a top 10 pick WR, and a top 10 pick RB, and they still suck. You know why they still suck? They don’t have a QB. So you can have all of the “ big hauls” you want, and as long as you don’t have a QB none of it will mean anything. You will just be the Atlanta Falcons.

 

[The Gr8est]

The Falcons got a top 5 draft pick ate, a top 10 pick WR, and a top 10 pick RB, and they still suck. You know why they still suck? They don’t have a QB. So you can have all of the “ big hauls” you want, and as long as you don’t have a QB none of it will mean anything. You will just be the Atlanta Falcons.

So which QB will take us to the promised land?

 

[SlowGettingUp]

few NBA G league guys for the red zone

Never really understood why this isn't a viable strategy - some hefty 7-footer that can jump and catch but can't shoot - just has to make his way into the end zone and outjump the 5'-10 corners.

 

[scott99]

We aren't in a position to be overly picky, if Ridley is available to us, at a reasonable cost.. pursue him.. Yes definitely take WR in the draft, at some point they are going to have to start working out.. heck take 2 WRs.. they need TALENT!! any way it can be obtained wich will be by draft, trade, FAs.. another player of note is Hollywood brown. The WR position needs a rehaul it should be pop, and then everyone else you want to add ,keep, trade or whatever. I care less about a salary and more about the talent level.. it's nice to be able to have quality players for cheap but that's not a realistic option in 2024 NFL. Owner's aren't making less, cost of living isn't going down.. so player's salaries shouldn't either. They are going to have to get with the times, and increase thier spending. Of course doing it wisely.
Just my humble opinion...

I agree with this 100%. Hopefully they don't stick to the old Belichick rule that you can only draft ONE receiver (or none). I was so tired of him ignoring great receiver AND TE classes, year after year. Sign a couple of FA WRs and draft a couple, this is a good receiver class. I would say draft a WR at 34, and a TE in round 3 (my hope is Sinnott). Then later in the draft, draft another WR. They should also be signing OTs in FA, I don't want any high draft picks on Olinemen. I'm ok with round 4 or later. They need to be getting explosive weapons for the offense.

 

[mgteich]

I agree with this 100%. Hopefully they don't stick to the old Belichick rule that you can only draft ONE receiver (or none). I was so tired of him ignoring great receiver AND TE classes, year after year. Sign a couple of FA WRs and draft a couple, this is a good receiver class. I would say draft a WR at 34, and a TE in round 3 (my hope is Sinnott). Then later in the draft, draft another WR. They should also be signing OTs in FA, I don't want any high draft picks on Olinemen. I'm ok with round 4 or later. They need to be getting explosive weapons for the offense.

Thank you for your clear comments and strategy.

You have articulated the very opposite of all that I believe about this off-season.

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree with this 100%. Hopefully they don't stick to the old Belichick rule that you can only draft ONE receiver (or none). I was so tired of him ignoring great receiver AND TE classes, year after year. Sign a couple of FA WRs and draft a couple, this is a good receiver class. I would say draft a WR at 34, and a TE in round 3 (my hope is Sinnott). Then later in the draft, draft another WR. They should also be signing OTs in FA, I don't want any high draft picks on Olinemen. I'm ok with round 4 or later. They need to be getting explosive weapons for the offense.

You are correct my friend. As I look back on things we know whole-heartedly bill was able to experiment with the roster year in and out becuase we had stability at the QB position. Talent wins in the NFL.. when TB12 went down week 1 In 08 we still had moss and Welker in thier prime years. That along with coach helped us win 11 games that season. However Talent at the WR position is what we need. I agree with you.. draft some guys and sign some veteran FAs.. Oline men absolutely... we need tackle help badly.

 

[Mack Herron]