2024 NFL Draft Thread (Continued..)

[JohnJH]

Brady worked constantly on his arm strength. By the time his shoulder healed fully in 2007, it was apparent. He never had Bledsoe's arm, but that dude could sling it when he needed to later in his career.

Yes, the P-shoulder meme was a real injury.

He certainly developed the velocity on his throws to get it to the receivers on time and on target (and even give them a chance to get YAC).

 

[DW Toys]

Why would you give up 2nds, plus the trade up value that equals 2 more firsts to get a shaky QB who hasn’t proven he is good that you have to pickup a 5th year option and pay him a guaranteed 30 mill in 2025?

Trade down to 9 keep your picks and pick up 2 more 1s.

Good afternoon Cousins,. So it starts. ...........Had a hearty breakfast this morning of bacon crisp and eggs over easy with some fresh oatmeal toast and strawberry jam. A cup of tea (yes prefer coffee but .....) and some cranberry pomegranate juice.

Interesting scenario with the Justin Fields trade mentioned. His stats are close to Jones . He has had much better receivers which is disconcerting. He has a better arm than Jones. He can scramble better than "turtle" Jones and he has more potential. I think Jones has the better football capacity and makeup, but he has had all of the best until he reached the pros and so far a failure on the field.

If I were starting a game tomorrow Fields would be my QB. .....but still kind of hold my nose. A change of scenery might be best for both. Look how Geno developed. Maybe Goff to a smaller extent.

I would like to say that none of the top four or five 2024 candidates are Canton material. You as a Pats fan must decide if 1) you want to wait about three years of terrible results without a sniff at the playoffs (are we better than the Bills, Dolphins or Jets with Aaron?) Or do we have too many holes to plug that one "definite maybe" young aspiring QB will make a difference? 2) Let's stock up on some legitimate "hole fillers" now and continue to build a Team but remain competitive.

So O.K. I like the thinking of the Fields trade. as an option which still frees up another blue chip player to Draft.

We offer up another scenario for your pleasure of mispleasure which could package us a vet QB which we need regardless, and a couple other hole fillers. The Broncos are trying to deal Wilson. They are in CAP and pick hell. We can afford him. He was not that bad in 2023. Over 66% completions, over 3,000 yards and 26 TDs and 8 INT. He did not fit with Payton so they mothballed him for the last two games to trade him. Would the Bronco's want #3? Yep.

My proposal would be the Bronco's #12 pick, Wilson, LT Garrett Boles (31 and still playing at a high level) and WR Jerry Juedy (not a Payton favorite) for our #3 pick and Mac Jones.

At pick #12 we could go top end OT or WR unless one of the top QBs drop.We could even trade down and get a good WR or OT in a good class.
Then at pick #34 I am suggesting we look at this kid. Michael Pratt from Tulane. If he was at a big name school he might be a top ten pick with the right Team like a Georgia. We let him learn for Wilson,

Arm Strength	7.7/10
Accuracy	8.0/10
Mechanics	8.5/10
Ball Placement	8.4/10
Throwing Motion	8.4/10
Progressions	7.7/10
Decision Making	7.8/10
Functional Mobility	8.8/10
Durability	7.8/10
Poise	8.1/10
Grade	81.2/100 Second Round

Pratt is a talented player but lacks the higher-end tools that are needed to be a first round quarterback. He did a really good job elevating the talent around him at Tulane and can attack the defense in multiple ways, but not being able to drive the ball outside the numbers will limit him at the next level.
Pratt is mechanically sound. He is consistent with his drop-back and his footwork and his release is crisp.

Has a fair amount of zip on the ball when playing in rhythm. Sees the field well and has no issue driving the ball into tight windows.

Shows good ball placement to all levels of the field. Can throw with good placement while on the move or with his base underneath him.

Pratt is plenty comfortable on the move. He is trying to throw the football initially before taking off which is also a plus. Pratt has good burst from the pocket and can eat up chunks of yards in the open field.

Thoughts or threats?
DW Toys

 

[TommyD4207]

Good afternoon Cousins,. So it starts. ...........Had a hearty breakfast this morning of bacon crisp and eggs over easy with some fresh oatmeal toast and strawberry jam. A cup of tea (yes prefer coffee but .....) and some cranberry pomegranate juice.

Interesting scenario with the Justin Fields trade mentioned. His stats are close to Jones . He has had much better receivers which is disconcerting. He has a better arm than Jones. He can scramble better than "turtle" Jones and he has more potential. I think Jones has the better football capacity and makeup, but he has had all of the best until he reached the pros and so far a failure on the field.

If I were starting a game tomorrow Fields would be my QB. .....but still kind of hold my nose. A change of scenery might be best for both. Look how Geno developed. Maybe Goff to a smaller extent.

I would like to say that none of the top four or five 2024 candidates are Canton material. You as a Pats fan must decide if 1) you want to wait about three years of terrible results without a sniff at the playoffs (are we better than the Bills, Dolphins or Jets with Aaron?) Or do we have too many holes to plug that one "definite maybe" young aspiring QB will make a difference? 2) Let's stock up on some legitimate "hole fillers" now and continue to build a Team but remain competitive.

So O.K. I like the thinking of the Fields trade. as an option which still frees up another blue chip player to Draft.

We offer up another scenario for your pleasure of mispleasure which could package us a vet QB which we need regardless, and a couple other hole fillers. The Broncos are trying to deal Wilson. They are in CAP and pick hell. We can afford him. He was not that bad in 2023. Over 66% completions, over 3,000 yards and 26 TDs and 8 INT. He did not fit with Payton so they mothballed him for the last two games to trade him. Would the Bronco's want #3? Yep.

My proposal would be the Bronco's #12 pick, Wilson, LT Garrett Boles (31 and still playing at a high level) and WR Jerry Juedy (not a Payton favorite) for our #3 pick and Mac Jones.

At pick #12 we could go top end OT or WR unless one of the top QBs drop.We could even trade down and get a good WR or OT in a good class.
Then at pick #34 I am suggesting we look at this kid. Michael Pratt from Tulane. If he was at a big name school he might be a top ten pick with the right Team like a Georgia. We let him learn for Wilson,

Arm Strength	7.7/10
Accuracy	8.0/10
Mechanics	8.5/10
Ball Placement	8.4/10
Throwing Motion	8.4/10
Progressions	7.7/10
Decision Making	7.8/10
Functional Mobility	8.8/10
Durability	7.8/10
Poise	8.1/10
Grade	81.2/100 Second Round

Pratt is a talented player but lacks the higher-end tools that are needed to be a first round quarterback. He did a really good job elevating the talent around him at Tulane and can attack the defense in multiple ways, but not being able to drive the ball outside the numbers will limit him at the next level.
Pratt is mechanically sound. He is consistent with his drop-back and his footwork and his release is crisp.

Has a fair amount of zip on the ball when playing in rhythm. Sees the field well and has no issue driving the ball into tight windows.

Shows good ball placement to all levels of the field. Can throw with good placement while on the move or with his base underneath him.

Pratt is plenty comfortable on the move. He is trying to throw the football initially before taking off which is also a plus. Pratt has good burst from the pocket and can eat up chunks of yards in the open field.

Thoughts or threats?
DW Toys

I like Pratt, I think you can get him early day 3 though despite your grade. As worthwhile a flyer as any of them, really. I feel like you're spot-on in your assessment, none of the 4 or 5 top QBs are Canton-bound, the only one with the chance is Caleb Williams, and that's only if things fall right for him (system, coaching, etc.).

I don't hate your idea, and I've kept quiet about Russell Wilson myself, because that would draw eyerolls, of course - but he had a decent season last year - not great, but certainly better than what we witnessed last year.

The only issue I have about the rest of the return is contracts. Boles is in his walk year, and we'd have to pick up Jeudy's option for $13 mil, and he'd be in his walk year as well. If I could choose between the two, I'd much rather have Courtland Sutton - a couple years older, but signed through 2025 for half the price (and IMO is the better player).

The other issue is pick 12. Normally, cool, #12 pick will probably be good, the only issue is, all the QBs, both top WRs and both top OTs will be gone, as well as likely Bowers the TE. You're sort of in the position where you'd have to trade down *again*, or really overdraft someone.

 

[Ross12]

Dream scenario:

- Jets trade 10 overall to Raiders for Davante Adams
- Raiders trade up from 10 overall to 3 overall with Pats to take MHJ to replace Adams, in exchange for picks 44 and 77
- Pats take Olu Fashanu at 10 overall
- Pats trade up slightly from 34 into late first round to grab WR they love
- Pats trade 77 to Bears for Justin Fields, pick up his 5th year option to give them two years of wiggle room
- Draft a QB somewhere between 44 and end of draft to develop

 

[Ring 6]

Dream scenario:

- Jets trade 10 overall to Raiders for Davante Adams
- Raiders trade up from 10 overall to 3 overall with Pats to take MHJ to replace Adams, in exchange for picks 44 and 77
- Pats take Olu Fashanu at 10 overall
- Pats trade up slightly from 34 into late first round to grab WR they love
- Pats trade 77 to Bears for Justin Fields, pick up his 5th year option to give them two years of wiggle room
- Draft a QB somewhere between 44 and end of draft to develop

10+44+77 isn’t anywhere near enough to get 3.
Look at what the 49ers gave up for Lance or what Carolina gave up for young.

We will suck for many years if we do this.

 

[Ross12]

10+44+77 isn’t anywhere near enough to get 3.
Look at what the 49ers gave up for Lance or what Carolina gave up for young.

We will suck for many years if we do this.

It is according to the charts.

SF traded up from 12 to 3 in 2021. In addition to 12 they sent their 2022 first, 2023 first, and 2022 second. As a rule of thumb, future picks are usually considered as worth “one round less” per year in the future they are. So their 2022 first is “worth” a 2021 second, and their 2023 first is worth a 2021 third. Their 2022 second was worth a 2021 third. So essentially, SF traded the equivalent of 12 overall, a second and two thirds for 3 overall. I am proposing a trade of 10 overall, a second and third for 3 overall. Not that different in this context. But of course it depends on the model you are using.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Marvin Harrison’s legs are too thin, he can’t be drafted.

 

[Ring 6]

It is according to the charts.

SF traded up from 12 to 3 in 2021. In addition to 12 they sent their 2022 first, 2023 first, and 2022 second. As a rule of thumb, future picks are usually considered as worth “one round less” per year in the future they are. So their 2022 first is “worth” a 2021 second, and their 2023 first is worth a 2021 third. Their 2022 second was worth a 2021 third. So essentially, SF traded the equivalent of 12 overall, a second and two thirds for 3 overall. I am proposing a trade of 10 overall, a second and third for 3 overall. Not that different in this context. But of course it depends on the model you are using.

Wait. You think that a 2nd and a 3rd is the same as 2 1st and a second?

There is absolutely no way firsts in the next 2 drafts are considered the same as a 2nd a 3rd this year.
That would mean a team could trade their 2nd and 3rd to another team and get their next 2 1sts. No chance.

The idea that future picks are considered 1 round less is a fairy tale.

 

[Ross12]

Wait. You think that a 2nd and a 3rd is the same as 2 1st and a second?

There is absolutely no way firsts in the next 2 drafts are considered the same as a 2nd a 3rd this year.
That would mean a team could trade their 2nd and 3rd to another team and get their next 2 1sts. No chance.

The idea that future picks are considered 1 round less is a fairy tale.

That is just typical pick value grading.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

That is just typical pick value grading.

In your scenario LV needs to add a 25 first in addition to those picks for us to considering moving down that far.

10,44,77=1965
For
3=2200

Or if we take 44 and 77 off the table it could be both LV firsts this year for 3. Slight overpay on their part but they may be willing since they’re moving up for a QB.

 

[Ring 6]

That is just typical pick value grading.

No it’s a misconception.

 

[Ross12]

In your scenario LV needs to add a 25 first in addition to those picks for us to considering moving down that far.

10,44,77=1965
For
3=2200

Or if we take 44 and 77 off the table it could be both LV firsts this year for 3. Slight overpay on their part but they may be willing since they’re moving up for a QB.

Sounds like you are using the Jimmy Johnson pick grading system, I am looking at the more generally used Rich Hill chart

 

[upstater1]

Dream scenario:

- Jets trade 10 overall to Raiders for Davante Adams
- Raiders trade up from 10 overall to 3 overall with Pats to take MHJ to replace Adams, in exchange for picks 44 and 77
- Pats take Olu Fashanu at 10 overall
- Pats trade up slightly from 34 into late first round to grab WR they love
- Pats trade 77 to Bears for Justin Fields, pick up his 5th year option to give them two years of wiggle room
- Draft a QB somewhere between 44 and end of draft to develop

That's a fleecing of the Patriots. Only 44 and 77?

I expect 2 #1s and a #2 at the very least for a drop back like that for Harrison. Sammy Lee Watkins was worth 2 #1s, Jaylen Waddle 2 #1s + a 4th, and neither were the 3rd player taken in the draft.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I really don’t want Fields. If the Bears (da Bears!) are giving up on him, I think that tells you something.

If we’re thinking a reclamation project, let’s follow TB’s lead and get a cheap vet on a one year deal.

I’m okay getting Harrison Jr. and an OT and waiting a year to find the QB of the future.

 

[slash83]

I really don’t want Fields. If the Bears (da Bears!) are giving up on him, I think that tells you something.

If we’re thinking a reclamation project, let’s follow TB’s lead and get a cheap vet on a one year deal.

I’m okay getting Harrison Jr. and an OT and waiting a year to find the QB of the future.

Can’t wait on a QB, this draft is the time to make it happen.

 

[The Gr8est]

Can’t wait on a QB, this draft is the time to make it happen.

If the QB is there.

Wishing for it doesn’t make it so.

 

[50-yard-line]

Good afternoon Cousins,. So it starts. ...........Had a hearty breakfast this morning of bacon crisp and eggs over easy with some fresh oatmeal toast and strawberry jam. A cup of tea (yes prefer coffee but .....) and some cranberry pomegranate juice.

Interesting scenario with the Justin Fields trade mentioned. His stats are close to Jones . He has had much better receivers which is disconcerting. He has a better arm than Jones. He can scramble better than "turtle" Jones and he has more potential. I think Jones has the better football capacity and makeup, but he has had all of the best until he reached the pros and so far a failure on the field.

If I were starting a game tomorrow Fields would be my QB. .....but still kind of hold my nose. A change of scenery might be best for both. Look how Geno developed. Maybe Goff to a smaller extent.

I would like to say that none of the top four or five 2024 candidates are Canton material. You as a Pats fan must decide if 1) you want to wait about three years of terrible results without a sniff at the playoffs (are we better than the Bills, Dolphins or Jets with Aaron?) Or do we have too many holes to plug that one "definite maybe" young aspiring QB will make a difference? 2) Let's stock up on some legitimate "hole fillers" now and continue to build a Team but remain competitive.

So O.K. I like the thinking of the Fields trade. as an option which still frees up another blue chip player to Draft.

We offer up another scenario for your pleasure of mispleasure which could package us a vet QB which we need regardless, and a couple other hole fillers. The Broncos are trying to deal Wilson. They are in CAP and pick hell. We can afford him. He was not that bad in 2023. Over 66% completions, over 3,000 yards and 26 TDs and 8 INT. He did not fit with Payton so they mothballed him for the last two games to trade him. Would the Bronco's want #3? Yep.

My proposal would be the Bronco's #12 pick, Wilson, LT Garrett Boles (31 and still playing at a high level) and WR Jerry Juedy (not a Payton favorite) for our #3 pick and Mac Jones.

At pick #12 we could go top end OT or WR unless one of the top QBs drop.We could even trade down and get a good WR or OT in a good class.
Then at pick #34 I am suggesting we look at this kid. Michael Pratt from Tulane. If he was at a big name school he might be a top ten pick with the right Team like a Georgia. We let him learn for Wilson,

Arm Strength	7.7/10
Accuracy	8.0/10
Mechanics	8.5/10
Ball Placement	8.4/10
Throwing Motion	8.4/10
Progressions	7.7/10
Decision Making	7.8/10
Functional Mobility	8.8/10
Durability	7.8/10
Poise	8.1/10
Grade	81.2/100 Second Round

Pratt is a talented player but lacks the higher-end tools that are needed to be a first round quarterback. He did a really good job elevating the talent around him at Tulane and can attack the defense in multiple ways, but not being able to drive the ball outside the numbers will limit him at the next level.
Pratt is mechanically sound. He is consistent with his drop-back and his footwork and his release is crisp.

Has a fair amount of zip on the ball when playing in rhythm. Sees the field well and has no issue driving the ball into tight windows.

Shows good ball placement to all levels of the field. Can throw with good placement while on the move or with his base underneath him.

Pratt is plenty comfortable on the move. He is trying to throw the football initially before taking off which is also a plus. Pratt has good burst from the pocket and can eat up chunks of yards in the open field.

Thoughts or threats?
DW Toys

Giving up too much, I think. Wilson is done in Denver. They have to move him.

Jeudy is on a fully-guaranteed option year.

You’re doing Denver a favor in taking Wilson off their hands.

 

[Ross12]

That's a fleecing of the Patriots. Only 44 and 77?

I expect 2 #1s and a #2 at the very least for a drop back like that for Harrison. Sammy Lee Watkins was worth 2 #1s, Jaylen Waddle 2 #1s + a 4th, and neither were the 3rd player taken in the draft.

Philly traded down from 6 to 12 with Miami in exchange for a future first in a future year and a 4th round pick. Like I said, picks in future drafts are viewed as a round later. So this is essentially a 2nd and a 4th to go from 6 to 12. I am saying a 2nd and a 3rd to go from 3 to 10.

You can argue maybe there should be more due to Harrison’s value but not sure why everyone is calling it a fleecing or highway robbery. Pretty close to aligned with historical trade value. People are just over-inflating trades with future 1sts involved. If it makes everyone feel better we can substitute 44 from Tennessee with “Tennessee’s 2025 1st” instead.

 

[Ross12]

I really don’t want Fields. If the Bears (da Bears!) are giving up on him, I think that tells you something.

If we’re thinking a reclamation project, let’s follow TB’s lead and get a cheap vet on a one year deal.

I’m okay getting Harrison Jr. and an OT and waiting a year to find the QB of the future.

IMO, Fields kind of is the cheap project but with a higher ceiling. He’s very cheap in 2024 and moderately expensive for a QB in 2025, but if you treat it as a 2 year deal, it’s about $15M a year. If you don’t pick up his option at all then it’s simply a very cheap one year contract.

 

[Patriot Missile]

All charts are out the window. Want what Miami got, that certainly isn’t any kind of value system. Either is tunsil for 2 freaking 1sts and a 2nd. Robbery, that’s what I want.