Reiss's mention about the way Belichick wore the Kraft family initiative pin

[cupofjoe1962]

Harvard - and other Ivy League schools - are the reason the pin exists in the first place.

True…… but …..

Kraft just doesn’t have the balls to say it.

 

[XLIX]

Funny how you think my profile picture is serious. It falls under "anti-hate" anyway.

In that case I agree with you: Your avatar is garbage.

 

[NormZauchin]

Belichick is of Croatian descent, not Serbian. There is quite a difference between the two.

I do not for one second believe Belichick is opposed to Kraft‘s initiative. I just think he is kind of a weird guy prone to occasional awkward episodes, nothing more, nothing less.

Croatians and Serbians have been enemies many times in the past.

 

[Rob0729]

Kraft, being mad at Bill for being an a**hole at some presser, while the value of his franchise goes thru the roof thanks to Tom and Bill.

That is why he put up with Bill’s personality. But I doubt he ever liked how Belichick acted off the field toward the media, other teams, and the league. But just like how teams put up with diva WRs who make spectacles of themselves but get 1400 yards and 12 TDs a year, winning made Kraft hold his nose and put up with it.

 

[Betterthanmost]

I didn't know what forum to place this in, and though it skirts around politics, it really has no politics in it and it doesn't necessitate ANY discussion of politics whatsoever. There's also a WAR thread so other things can be discussed there.

During Kraft's press conference with Jerod Mayo upon Mayo's hiring, Kraft made mention of how Mayo conducted himself during their trip to Israel. There are several mentions by Reiss and by Kraft in recent weeks about the importance of Kraft's antisemitism initiative for him and in general his Pro-Israel stances. At the same time Reiss wrote something weird about Belichick's firing by Kraft recently. Indeed, he lead off his article about Belichick getting fired by highlighting the way Belichick wore an antisemitism pin. It was a weird way to start. When you lead with an anecdote like that, if you're a good writer, you're leading with something that you believe is very meaningful in the larger scheme. Reiss was telling us that there's a certain level of disrespect between the two men, and he was also telling us that Belichick's behavior was actually quite callous. (Note, I am not saying that Belichick's wearing of the pin to the side of his stomach means anything about his political position or antisemitism; I'm saying it possibly had something to do with his feelings toward Kraft).

But I note that many players have made that trip to Israel with Kraft, and I just checked and there's no mention of Belichick ever doing it. When Reiss asked Belichick about the pin on the side of his belly, he just said, "This is Robert Kraft's initiative." Not, I support what the pin symbolizes. This was all in the back of mind, and I really thought that Reiss's mention was strange, but I didn't make much of it. But just now, Kraft noted that Mayo in Israel convinced him to hire Mayo. In this moment with everything going on, did Belichick's callousness to Robert's causes and the fact he never went with the Krafts on these visits just add to Kraft's sense that he couldn't employ someone who was wishy-washy about certain world concerns right now?

Yes, I opened up a can of worms. But this is more personal than it is political.

It may also be that BB is not into entering certain spas? That could be why he was let go..

 

[lancerman]

That is why he put up with Bill’s personality. But I doubt he ever liked how Belichick acted off the field toward the media, other teams, and the league. But just like how teams put up with diva WRs who make spectacles of themselves but get 1400 yards and 12 TDs a year, winning made Kraft hold his nose and put up with it.

I mean it's pretty much public record that the two of them snubbed each other as much as they possibly could. Bill would do things like this or ignore Kraft in the hallways like he was nobody and Kraft would call him things like an "idiot savant".

It doesn't really matter. Brady and Bill didn't have a close relationship either.

They all managed to put their egos aside for 20 years to make things work. It was longer than most partnerships in this sport even if it broke down later on.

 

[venecol]

Rather petty, if you ask me. Bill is aware of what he is doing.

Yea, Bill's an *******. Who doesn't know that?

 

[Ivan]

I think it’s just typical Belichick, not wanting to get roped into other people’s causes, and not wanting to discuss them. I don’t see it as overtly political, and I don’t think it’s a big deal. And while I get why Belichick dealt with players and the media the way he did, I don’t think it was necessary for him to take it to the lengths he took it to. And I certainly understand why players and coaches got sick of it. He was all business, all the time, and while it got the desired results it also had to get really tiresome for those really with him for years. He’s the GOAT coach, and I think he can still coach at the highest level, but I understand why the Kraft’s decided they wanted to move on and start a new era, and I’m looking forward to it. My one hope is that this is the start of a long career for Mayo in New England, because he’s a bright young guy, with a likable personality, and a good football mind. And it will be good to see the change to a more upbeat organization. But following the GOAT is always a massive challenge, and I don’t want to see this turn into a coaching turnstile, which is the recipe for a sucky organization, and a lack of success. Give him at least 4-5 years to prove himself as a head coach, don’t get itchy after a couple of years and look for the shiney new object. Good luck to him, I hope this goes really really well for everyone.

 

[Boomer B]

 

[patman12]

so I guess Krafty isn't hiring any Palestinian coaches anytime soon, eh?

At least none with ties to or sympathies toward Hamas.

 

[ahmed]

That is why he put up with Bill’s personality. But I doubt he ever liked how Belichick acted off the field toward the media, other teams, and the league. But just like how teams put up with diva WRs who make spectacles of themselves but get 1400 yards and 12 TDs a year, winning made Kraft hold his nose and put up with it.

Yeah always found it odd how so many people on here took pleasure in how Bill dealt with media like it was so cool. 100% Kraft hated Bill's approach to media.

 

[ahmed]

They all managed to put their egos aside for 20 years to make things work. It was longer than most partnerships in this sport even if it broke down later on.

I hate this take with a passion. Such a cop out. It should have lasted 3 more years and Bill is 100% the reason it did not.

 

[Clonamery]

Context is king. Without it, discussion is hot air.

Isn't this HotAirfans.com? Oops, my mistake.

 

[Clonamery]

I hate this take with a passion. Such a cop out. It should have lasted 3 more years and Bill is 100% the reason it did not.

Well, we know this not to be true. Mayo is king. Kraft is Thunder.

 

[Clonamery]

I think it’s just typical Belichick, not wanting to get roped into other people’s causes, and not wanting to discuss them. I don’t see it as overtly political, and I don’t think it’s a big deal. And while I get why Belichick dealt with players and the media the way he did, I don’t think it was necessary for him to take it to the lengths he took it to. And I certainly understand why players and coaches got sick of it. He was all business, all the time, and while it got the desired results it also had to get really tiresome for those really with him for years. He’s the GOAT coach, and I think he can still coach at the highest level, but I understand why the Kraft’s decided they wanted to move on and start a new era, and I’m looking forward to it. My one hope is that this is the start of a long career for Mayo in New England, because he’s a bright young guy, with a likable personality, and a good football mind. And it will be good to see the change to a more upbeat organization. But following the GOAT is always a massive challenge, and I don’t want to see this turn into a coaching turnstile, which is the recipe for a sucky organization, and a lack of success. Give him at least 4-5 years to prove himself as a head coach, don’t get itchy after a couple of years and look for the shiney new object. Good luck to him, I hope this goes really really well for everyone.

Most of this is extremely fair but it will have everything to do with the 1st 2 drafts and this free agency which has to include a more than serviceable QB and a fair amount of luck. Mayo seems bright, seems to know/love football, and doesn't mind getting lovey dovey with the media. Fans want wins and trips to playoffs and that will decide the length of employment more than anything.

 

[Clonamery]

I wouldnt wear a pin for my employer's political causes. Its better not to wear it at all though than to wear it like he did.

I wear pins of Paul Buchanan and Big Boy Foolish and if you don't want to wear it, well eff u.

 

[borg]

I see a pressed, collared shirt.
An attempt at neat hair.

Could have been worse....

 

[Rob0729]

Yeah always found it odd how so many people on here took pleasure in how Bill dealt with media like it was so cool. 100% Kraft hated Bill's approach to media.

I never liked, but I just don’t care. i would prefer a head coach that would give you some actual information at the podium, but even the most media friendly coaches give very little most of the time at press conferences. I find them useless.

But I don’t own a multi-billion dollar football franchise and concerned about its brand.

 

[venecol]

Another meaningless Belichick thread.

Who cares? He's no longer a Patriot.

Our team, the Patriots is starting a new era. Lots to discuss. Cluttering the main forum with all these threads about a coach for the Atlanta Falcons is annoying. Ian needs to start a Belichick mega thread for all nonsense threads to go under. It's all gossip and rumors anyway.

 

[ZotZot]

BB choosing to be an ******* to media/others made it easier for Thunder to say bye-bye, but let us not kid ourselves if BB drafted better over the last several years he (and possibly Brady) are still here, and none of this matters