I hope that Mayo, Groh and Wolf are paying attention tonight.

[RobertWeathers]

What if they do?

Then they are galactically stupid.

Why on earth would they spend $30m on Mac's 5th year option?

 

[venecol]

I hope Mayo also took some lessons from the Dolphins/Chiefs game. The Dolphins have a "nice guy" "players coach" and they didn't practice even once in cold conditions. They played in a high-pressure game in extremely adverse weather. And they folded like cheap suits.

It's one of my bigger concerns with Mayo. One thing I loved (and I'm sure the players hated) was BB practiced the team in all kinds of weather. He loved very hot days in August, or rainy, muddy or snowy practice days. Because practice in those conditions prepared the team for games in those conditions. And BBs strict discipline when it came to being on time, no players saying too much to the press, no off-field BS, the rigorous study of their opponents and frequent "quizzes" of the players, etc. translated to how they dealt with high pressure situations

I'm concerned Mayo will relent if he does some of the same things as BB and players complain.

Injuries did the Dolphins in. They had no pass rush, which against Mahomes is a recipe for disaster.

Mayo played under BB's system and understands perfectly well what will work and what will not w/ the current modern players. I trust that won't be an factor.

 

[TommyD4207]

Then they are galactically stupid.

Why on earth would they spend $30m on Mac's 5th year option?

Because he just needs more time? I have no idea what excuse they'd use.
It beats the hell out of declining his option and signing him to an extension like the Giants did with Daniel Jones. THAT would be the absolute nightmare scenario which sets your team back for the rest of the decade.

 

[venecol]

Then they are galactically stupid.

Why on earth would they spend $30m on Mac's 5th year option?

He's just trolling. Hasn't been able to get over Bill getting fired and has been attacking Kraft and Mayo ever since, creating a bunch of conspiracy theories and throwing them against the wall.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Because he just needs more time? I have no idea what excuse they'd use.
It beats the hell out of declining his option and signing him to an extension like the Giants did with Daniel Jones. THAT would be the absolute nightmare scenario which sets your team back for the rest of the decade.

Not at $30m. End of story.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He's just trolling. Hasn't been able to get over Bill getting fired and has been attacking Kraft and Mayo ever since, creating a bunch of conspiracy theories and throwing them against the wall.

I haven't been reading his posts.

If Mac rebounds in 2024 then you bring him back as a FA in 2025 or go with someone else.

 

[TommyD4207]

Not at $30m. End of story.

They do if they think he's the QB for the next two years.
I'd cut him today if it were up to me, it's only a 5 million cap hit. But it's not up to me.

 

[VrabelJr]

I don’t know why we’re talking about the Bucs offense when it was their defense that controlled the game

 

[RIpats88]

Hurts, like Tua and Purdy, are products of the players around them. All have elite receiving options and great systems making them look better than they are. All of them would have looked awful if they played for the Patriots the last two years. Maybe not as bad as Mac or Zappe played this year, but they would have been bad.

I mean Hurts/Tua were not good before getting aj brown/tyreek hill. both were possibly on their way out.

Purdy we never saw what he was before, but we saw him when deebo was injured and it wasn't good.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Per Pro Football Reference stats Bucs had the 20th ranked offense, they were 14th in Net Yards per attempt (top 10 in this stat all made the playoffs) and the rest of the division was worse than Tampa Bay in that stat. They are not a potent offense.

They would not be in the playoffs if they were not in a crap division, they beat 1 good team all year, the Packers. They played a terrible Eagles team that couldn't beat anybody down the stretch, they are getting annihilated next week. Mayfield has been OK; they are a middle of the pack team that got lucky that their division had teams worst then them and they drew the Eagles in round 1. Midde of the road QB equals middle of the road team.

Tampa Bay is a poor example.
Every advanced analysis says QB is by far the most important position in the NFL and that you need to draft the QB to get one.

All the top receivers are home watching, all the top QB's are still playing. It's not rocket science; it is just a question of drafting the right guy but you do have to draft them to get 1. Even the Lions and Rams traded the guys they drafted to each other.

Again, the thread was a joke.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

It’s important, but wr and ot is almost as important needs.

If we signed baker mayfield before the 2023 season does anyone think he does half as good for us as he did for tampa?

 

[n1997y]

Well yeah turns out a 28 year old Mayfield was roughly as good as a 45 year old Brady. Good for him. They had almost identical season stats.

So maybe it’s the ensemble not the prima donna that determines quality of performance?

 

[n1997y]

Now that BB's gone, I hope we don't continue the tradition of signing Dolphins castoffs.

Yeah, that Welker guy was such a waste

 

[condon84]

The Packers are a better model to look into. They have young guys who are learning to play with each other. They don't have high first round pick WRs but look more than capable.

We don't really know what we have because our QB has been ****. Get rid of Troy and get someone here who can coach these guys properly.

Most important factor is getting that QB.

 

[Real fan 02]

The Bucs are a great example of what can happen when you upgrade at the QB position. If the Pats make the right decision at QB this offseason, their offense can rapidly go from anemic to potent, just like Tampa from 2022 to this year.

There's some truth to this. However as well as QB we need to add some skill position players on offense badly.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah, that Welker guy was such a waste

Let's see Welker play with Bailey Zappe.

 

[n1997y]

Let's see Welker play with Bailey Zappe.

Dollars to donuts it would make Zappe better.

 

[Real fan 02]

Dollars to donuts it would make Zappe better.

Agreed, your absolutely correct on that.

 

[JohnJH]

Everybody has a gun arm sans purdy who has an all star team around him .. 7 all pros ...

Considering what we have it might be best for us to draft someone with a gun arm and hope it works out as we build the rest of roster. For now Mac can go and succeed only in SF where he has necessary talent to elevate him.

The Bengals drafted Burrow, and he's been successful with the sub-par O-Line that they had when he started. We can rebuild the Line a piece at a time and if a potential Franchise, or at least solid QB #1 is there in the first round, we should take him. Then continue to build the Line and add weapons. I understand and don't disagree with building up the Line first, but other teams have gotten the QB first and built up the Line. Point is, that there's more than one way to do it. Passing on a potential franchise QB is always a mistake. I know of the 1st round bust rate for QB's. But, when you do hit on one, it's certainly worth it, especially if the QB has the right coaching, weapons and Line built up around them.

 

[JohnJH]

Yeah, that Welker guy was such a waste

Although Parker and Gesikci were bad signings. I did have hope for Gesicki, but that went nowhere.