Interesting BB nuggets from Rapoport

[mike_usagisan]

By that logic, it could have already happened last year or the year before, for all we know. There's been such an emphasis on "the collaborative approach"...

I really think there was a strong move in that direction with that collaborative approach thing. Bill made quite the show of making sure everyone was on board with the Mac pick that year. I wouldn't be surprised if he had received a talking to before that.

 

[1960Pats]

That sort of truth will never come to light but I suspect it could be possible. It wouldn’t surprise me if increased meddling from ownership was having negative effects.

More excuses for Blunder Bill. All of a sudden Bill's drafting his pal Saban's player means that it was Kraft making the decision. Don't forget the injury excuses. Bill is all in on that one now too.

 

[The Gr8est]

This whole issue is only relevant if they actually hire a new guy and his hiring is announced.

If the new GM with final say is already with the team, like Groh or Wolf, the dynamic isn't going to change much.

Belichick doesn't do the scouting. He confers with the people who do and he makes the final decisions.

All GMs confer with their coaches and together they select the players most appropriate for the style of play. A GM isn't going to saddle his coach with players he can't use.

The only difference may be something that is spur of the moment, like draft day trades, etc. Look at McVay in Los Angeles. He is in the room at every moment when his GM is making decisions on draft day.

There are BB picks that don’t work out, and for various reasons, doesn’t mean they were bad picks at the time.

Gronk could have easily been a bad pick if his injuries became too problematic for him to play. Someone with Gronk’s talent doesn’t last as long as he did without extenuating circumstances.

Some of his most criticized picks, in the end, were not horrific in context, and the Pats were also handicapped by drafting late in the rounds for 20 years.

Tavon Wilson seemed like a reach, and may have been, but he had a career that lasted a few years and wasn’t a bust.

Duron Harmon caused raised eyebrows, but his play ended up justifying the pick.

Curtis Strange raised eyebrows, but it was wasn’t terrible after further insight.

The one pick which made no sense at the time, and only got worse with more info was Jordan Richards. If this was a team effort between the scouts and BB, how did this one even happen?

I don’t want to make this a post about missed draft picks, because this site has enough insufferable, self-appointed draft experts and dead horse beaters, just trying to add a bit of balance.

BB’s late round gems, like Edelman, and his possibly unmatched UDFA successes, may be unmatched by anyone else.

Certainly there is room for legitimate criticism of BB drafts.

 

[Ring 6]

I really think there was a strong move in that direction with that collaborative approach thing. Bill made quite the show of making sure everyone was on board with the Mac pick that year. I wouldn't be surprised if he had received a talking to before that.

How is that any different than any other pick he makes? You are creating something out of nothing.
How did he “make a show”?

 

[mike_usagisan]

How is that any different than any other pick he makes? You are creating something out of nothing.
How did he “make a show”?

It seemed like he went around the room and asked everyone if they were ok with the pick. I hadn't remembered him doing that before, but I also hadn't paid much attention before. But you could very well be right, and he did that before. But it also came after reports that he was ignoring the scouting reports and picking the players he wanted and there seemed to be a desire that he be on the same page as his scouts, so it seemed like it was in response to those reports.

 

[203Pat]

There are BB picks that don’t work out, and for various reasons, doesn’t mean they were bad picks at the time.

Gronk could have easily been a bad pick if his injuries became too problematic for him to play. Someone with Gronk’s talent doesn’t last as long as he did without extenuating circumstances.

Some of his most criticized picks, in the end, were not horrific in context, and the Pats were also handicapped by drafting late in the rounds for 20 years.

Tavon Wilson seemed like a reach, and may have been, but he had a career that lasted a few years and wasn’t a bust.

Duron Harmon caused raised eyebrows, but his play ended up justifying the pick.

Curtis Strange raised eyebrows, but it was wasn’t terrible after further insight.

The one pick which made no sense at the time, and only got worse with more info was Jordan Richards. If this was a team effort between the scouts and BB, how did this one even happen?

I don’t want to make this a post about missed draft picks, because this site has enough insufferable, self-appointed draft experts and dead horse beaters, just trying to add a bit of balance.

BB’s late round gems, like Edelman, and his possibly unmatched UDFA successes, may be unmatched by anyone else.

Certainly there is room for legitimate criticism of BB drafts.

Gronk was one of his risk picks that turned into a home run whereas a lot of those picks didn't work out.

Tavon Wilson was absolutely a bust. He was a second round pick who pretty much only played special teams here.

"Curtis" Strange is a bust. He has been benched and injured multiple times and when he faces better D-linemen he gets dominated. Taking a guard in the first due to Bill's own mismanagement at the position is bad enough. To pick a subpar guard on top of it is just insult to injury.

You can get as mad as you want about people pointing out Bill's bad drafting but that is the reason we're a 4 win team right now.

 

[Ring 6]

It seemed like he went around the room and asked everyone if they were ok with the pick. I hadn't remembered him doing that before, but I also hadn't paid much attention before. But you could very well be right, and he did that before. But it also came after reports that he was ignoring the scouting reports and picking the players he wanted and there seemed to be a desire that he be on the same page as his scouts, so it seemed like it was in response to those reports.

After 25 years of belichick I don’t think anyone could really believe he is playing to cameras to influence opinion about him, or that he would care about “reports” which by the way didn’t say he ignored scouting reports, which is another ridiculously overblown fiction.

 

[mike_usagisan]

After 25 years of belichick I don’t think anyone could really believe he is playing to cameras to influence opinion about him, or that he would care about “reports” which by the way didn’t say he ignored scouting reports, which is another ridiculously overblown fiction.

Again, you could be right. It just seemed that way to me.

Anyway, the point I was making was if one believes that Bill was willing to listen to criticism about how he was making draft picks and made an effort to be more collaborative then it's possible to see him listening to the criticism of how he's picked offensive players and would be open to changes in how personnel should be handled if proposed by Kraft.

 

[signbabybrady]

More excuses for Blunder Bill. All of a sudden Bill's drafting his pal Saban's player means that it was Kraft making the decision. Don't forget the injury excuses. Bill is all in on that one now too.

I can only speak for myself. I'm still wanting Bill back but I'm not trying to make excuses for the past things have gotten to a place I never thought they would with Bill.

For me it's still about moving forward. And I just think Bill with a QB gets this team headed in the right direction faster than if we need a new GM and Coach.

Obviously he missed on Mac but I'm not going to hold Mac against Williams, Maye, or Daniels and I am going to say they all still stand a better chance with Bill than unnamed coach X.

 

[signbabybrady]

After 25 years of belichick I don’t think anyone could really believe he is playing to cameras to influence opinion about him, or that he would care about “reports” which by the way didn’t say he ignored scouting reports, which is another ridiculously overblown fiction.

The ignored scouts argument is so dumb. I am glad he ignored scouts in favor of his QB coach in round 6 2000. It is part of the job to mix the scouting reports with coaching needs and opinions.

 

[203Pat]

The ignored scouts argument is so dumb. I am glad he ignored scouts in favor of his QB coach in round 6 2000. It is part of the job to mix the scouting reports with coaching needs and opinions.

It is well known at this point the main reason Brady ended up here is **** Rehbein. The main reason Bill won 6 super bowls is because a quarterbacks coach championed the drafting of Tom Brady.

 

[p8ryts]

It is well known at this point the main reason Brady ended up here is **** Rehbein. The main reason Bill won 6 super bowls is because a quarterbacks coach championed the drafting of Tom Brady.

Well, Bill must have listened to him, Brady was drafted. Bill decided to keep 4 QB's, unheard of. Bill kept him as starter when Bledsoe was healthy. Ergo, Bill must have done something right somewhere.

 

[Steve102]

There was a time when Bill's against the grain picks worked, but of late, they have been glaring failures.

 

[203Pat]

Well, Bill must have listened to him, Brady was drafted. Bill decided to keep 4 QB's, unheard of. Bill kept him as starter when Bledsoe was healthy. Ergo, Bill must have done something right somewhere.

No one is arguing Bill has never did anything right. Some people just like to give Bill credit when he drafts someone good and absolve him of blame when he drafts someone bad. In the end of the day it is all on Bill. The good players and the bad. For the first 15 years or so he was able to find more good players than bad. For the last 10 it has been more bad than good.

 

[upstater1]

Those guys you listed with exception of maybe Henry are 2 or 3 receiving options at best. When you try to build through FA you're going to get other teams' cast-offs. If they're a #1 guy teams will bend over backwards to keep them...unless there's some kind of offer they can't refuse in a trade.

All it is is excuse making. BB even said when asked about not addressing the Oline and grumbled about how he drafted 3 guys. Sow might be something maybe. The other guys haven't shown anything and he didn't draft any guards.

And there is no excuse for Harry and Thornton. Bad picks. Don't fit the system, insofar as the Pats have an offensive system.

Irrelevant to the topic at hand.

We're discussing amount of resources spent.

 

[captain stone]

Only way Bill stays is with help at GM and loss of “final say”. Otherwise I think he’s out.

What if this happens, but it's not announced, so everyone assumes Kraft just didn't do anything?

The renewal letter to the STHs is still due, I believe, and they're owed an Honest explanation either way.

The daze of One Patriot Place being the Kremlin of the 1980s needs to End, starting Monday.

 

[signbabybrady]

It is well known at this point the main reason Brady ended up here is **** Rehbein. The main reason Bill won 6 super bowls is because a quarterbacks coach championed the drafting of Tom Brady.

You're making my point people liked when BB ignored scouts in favor Rehbein but vilify him for ignoring scouts with Harry.

 

[archstanton543]

Irrelevant to the topic at hand.

We're discussing amount of resources spent.

That's my point. It's not about quantity. Hell, put me in the draft room and I can get you quantity.

 

[mike_usagisan]

You're making my point people liked when BB ignored scouts in favor Rehbein but vilify him for ignoring scouts with Harry.

I don't mind Bill taking some chances, but there's a big difference between taking a flier on a 6th round QB and a first round WR.

 

[Ring 6]

Again, you could be right. It just seemed that way to me.

Anyway, the point I was making was if one believes that Bill was willing to listen to criticism about how he was making draft picks and made an effort to be more collaborative then it's possible to see him listening to the criticism of how he's picked offensive players and would be open to changes in how personnel should be handled if proposed by Kraft.

Why would you ever assume he was UNwilling to listen to criticism or self evaluate.
He is the most successful HC/GM in the history of the sport. Why do you start from an assumption that he is closed minded, ignorant and unaware?