Tankathon

[1960Pats]

When they got the ball with a minute left in a tie game and RAN the ball twice I took that as them 'trying to lose'.

The term being thrown around now is "managing losses" which is the claim that Bill's trying to keep the losses closer to be able to say that they were in many of those games, even when they weren't. It seems to be working too because I keep hearing the talking heads use those close losses to defend Bill's piss-poor record.

 

[1960Pats]

Buffalo is fighting for their post season lives and cant lose. The Dolphins are the game 17 finale.

If Zappe can hang with Allen that would seal the deal making him legit in 24. Allen has scored 40 TDs again this season. I agree, the Pats will draft an impact OL or DL and possibly a LB @ pick 1. Judon will be 32 next season.

Beating Buffalo could knocked them out of the playoffs. That alone is a great reason to win but seeing all the Tankheads cry will make it even sweeter.

 

[Triumph]

The Pats will end up with 5 wins just like 2000. Who is that numerology guy on here? Newton England? He can explain all the details and why BB ended up with 5 wins again.

Beating the Bills would send shock waves throughout the NFL, but I really doubt that will happen.

 

[Steve102]

The term being thrown around now is "managing losses" which is the claim that Bill's trying to keep the losses closer to be able to say that they were in many of those games, even when they weren't. It seems to be working too because I keep hearing the talking heads use those close losses to defend Bill's piss-poor record.

That's some of the dumbest talking head-speak crap I have ever heard.

 

[Triumph]

Beating Buffalo could knocked them out of the playoffs. That alone is a great reason to win but seeing all the Tankheads cry will make it even sweeter.

NE drafting a QB high is a pipe dream.

Too much can go wrong.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Smarter people than me have shown in this thread that history doesn't back this up over the last 25-30 years. But I can see the Marketing value in that belief, though.

I think it depends upon who is running your franchise. The results should skew the way you suggest because most of the teams picking in the top 5 are poorly run, so they end up making bad decisions, and losing and picking high on a regular basis. This has happened to the point where I have argued that teams consistently finishing with top 5 picks should not be allowed to keep being rewarded for poor management. So if you have top 5 picks, if your own, not traded for, in consecutive years then you be relegated to the end of the 1st round for the next 2 years. That is, however, a different discussion. So it’s true that franchises like the Jets and Lions have made little out of their high picks year after year, which makes it appear that teams don’t benefit from having a really high pick. However, if you have been a winning franchise for years, that is well run, then I don’t see any reason that you can’t make the most out of a really high pick, especially if a QB is your most serious need, and there are really good prospects at the position that you have a shot at. So I would argue that just because poorly run franchises waste their opportunities, that doesn’t mean that a well run franchise can’t make the most out of the opportunity to get the best prospects in a draft.

 

[1960Pats]

Just curious, to the ”wanna win out” crowd, who do you see as the QB next year that helps make this team more competitive than the last 4 years?

Who knows? The brilliant minds making the decisions don't get it right all that much either.
The NYFL has scouts who are paid to make those decisions but they're only helpful if the man in charge listens to them. We don't have that here.

 

[1960Pats]

NE drafting a QB high is a pipe dream.

Too much can go wrong.

Losing is the way great teams are built.

 

[Triumph]

Losing is the way great teams are built.

Drafting smart.

Hitting on high picks that build a foundation.

 

[1960Pats]

Drafting smart.

Hitting on high picks that build a foundation.

What do you call a high pick? We know that Brady at 199 isn't but what about Lamar Jackson at 31 or Mahomes at 10 (or whatever he was)?

 

[1960Pats]

That's some of the dumbest talking head-speak crap I have ever heard.

I don't agree with it but I heard Ted Johnson and Tom Curran both make that claim. Their reasoning was bolstered by the curious decisions late in the KC game. But I understand that you don't want to believe it or even have a discussion about it. You've got your head too far up Bill's butt cheeks to see it anyway.

 

[Steve102]

I don't agree with it but I heard Ted Johnson and Tom Curran both make that claim. Their reasoning was bolstered by the curious decisions late in the KC game. But I understand that you don't want to believe it or even have a discussion about it. You've got your head too far up Bill's butt cheeks to see it anyway.

Well of course you genuflect to everything Ted Johnson says. Everything he says is colored by his hatred of Bill. Regardless... Think about the absurdity of the statement. Bill keeps it close so the losses don't look bad.

You are suggesting that he takes the defense off the field so they get blown out because the team sucks? Might as well lose by 50?

In your history of dumb takes, defending this BS is one of your worst. Whether they lose by 1 or 100, it's still a loss. The idea of quality losses is absurd. Only some idiot paid to talk about games would come up "managing losses". They are trying to win the games.

As far as my having my head up Bill's ass, I am on record as saying it's time to move on, and I have told you that before, but you stick to the grumpy old man schtick and tell me how much I love Bill. Keep being unhappy.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Smarter people than me have shown in this thread that history doesn't back this up over the last 25-30 years. But I can see the Marketing value in that belief, though.

Drew Bledsoe aptly compared the Zjets taking a WB to sacrificing the virgin to the volcano

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I DO know that. The numbers support it.

Historically speaking. The higher the pick the better the player.

I posted earlier that of the top QB's in the league today, only Burrow and Lawrence were picked in the top 4 (both were #1). Tua was 5, Herbert 6, Allen 7, Mahomes 10, Watson 12, Jackson 32, Hurts 2nd round, Dak 4th round.

On the other hand, several top-4 picks have flamed out including Zach Wilson at 2, Lance at 3, Trubisky at 2, Wentz at 2. Guys in mid round 1 that haven't fared too well include Daniel Jones at 6, Fields at 11, Mac at 15, Pickett at 20.

Goff, Murray & Stafford have all been pretty good (all at 1).

Rookies this year include Young at 1, Stroud at 2, Richardson at 4, and Levis in the 2nd round. Of that group, Levis has arguably been the most productive. Need to see them all for at least another year.

 

[festy1986]

I posted earlier that of the top QB's in the league today, only Burrow and Lawrence were picked in the top 4 (both were #1). Tua was 5, Herbert 6, Allen 7, Mahomes 10, Watson 12, Jackson 32, Hurts 2nd round, Dak 4th round.

On the other hand, several top-4 picks have flamed out including Zach Wilson at 2, Lance at 3, Trubisky at 2, Wentz at 2. Guys in mid round 1 that haven't fared too well include Daniel Jones at 6, Fields at 11, Mac at 15, Pickett at 20.

Goff, Murray & Stafford have all been pretty good (all at 1).

Rookies this year include Young at 1, Stroud at 2, Richardson at 4, and Levis in the 2nd round. Of that group, Levis has arguably been the most productive. Need to see them all for at least another year.

Your take is specifically on QB.

No one should be debating the higher the pick the better isn't true.

No one can honestly think that's not true.

You still have to hit on your pick....

 

[MrTibbs]

I think there’s no doubt they beat the Jets. Barmore will wreak havoc with that Oline, and Osweiler will be the QB. That being said, if they wind up at 7, Daniels might still be available. I don’t think QBs go 1-2-3. Or if not, trade up.

If Bill is still the GM the Pats are screwed. He will trade back multiple times for 2nd round picks and continue to roll with QB by committee.

 

[PatsfanTN]

To those that reference the terrible 80’s:


I don’t see a lot of difference since 2019:


people are afraid of change….even when its necessary.

 

[Grogan14]

At 3-11 anyone who says winning is good for the team is full of BS.
Most of the players and coaches won’t even be here next year.
How does going 6-11 versus 3-14 help the organization going into next year?
Makes no difference.
Trash year either way that will be put in the rear view mirror on black Monday
Even if they win their last 3 it will have zero impact on next year’s team.

 

[Tunescribe]

At 3-11 anyone who says winning is good for the team is full of BS.
Most of the players and coaches won’t even be here next year.
How does going 6-11 versus 3-14 help the organization going into next year?
Makes no difference.
Trash year either way that will be put in the tear view mirror on black Monday

You haven't been paying attention. The Patriots have FOUR glorious victories to their credit this season, not three. It likely will be five wins after all is said and done which should be good for, what -- between the fourth and seventh pick? Can you live with that?

 

[brdmaverick]

The term being thrown around now is "managing losses" which is the claim that Bill's trying to keep the losses closer to be able to say that they were in many of those games, even when they weren't. It seems to be working too because I keep hearing the talking heads use those close losses to defend Bill's piss-poor record.

Which is sad because instead of coaching based on analytics or a hunch based on game observations, it seems it's coaching based on mitigating media backlash.

Anyone who watches NFL redzone knows that most NFL games come down the wire and I'm sure many teams can point to many losses as 'close games'. Even the Carolina Panthers have at least 6 losses that were one score games.