Why has Bill the GM been so poor the past decade?

[BelizePats]

Stange has been serviceable and he has been bad. I also expect more out of what of a guy who theoretically should've been one of the best one or two players at his position. It isn't like we took the 5th best receiver late in round one. We took a position that doesn't really need a premium pick as we have always gotten by there with mid to late rounders at guard outside of Mankins.

This notion that all the good players just dry up by the end of the first round is a ridiculous Bill fanboy argument for why he has drafted so poorly the last decade. Christian Watson, Breece Hall, Jalen Pitre, Boye Mafe, Jaquan Brisker. All good players drafted in the same ballpark as Strange and all would have made a much bigger impact than an up and down guard.

This is a fundamental part of the problem. Our second round picks the last decade have been poor. Instead of consistently shoring up our roster with high level, second round talent, BB has missed here more than probably anywhere else in the draft. For every Duggar or Barmore, there are three to four Jordan Richards or Dobson, Cyrus Jones, JoJuan Williams, Duke Dawson, Tyquan Thorton. Key draft mises here in the second round are a clear indication that BB's drafting has been very poor overall during the last decade.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Sony was average. He had knee issues all the way from back in high school and he never offered much in the passing game. He ran well down the stretch in 2018 but behind that offensive line and TE group most backs would have.

Strange has not been close to "very good". He has been in and out of the lineup due to injury and poor performance. He may end up being serviceable but taking a serviceable guard in the first round is a flat out bad pick.

Give him credit for playing and not being injured. RB isn't an easy position.

But...any RB could have produced with the large holes he was getting. It's not as if he was making things happen out of nothing.

 

[NFL Mystique]

This is a fundamental part of the problem. Our second round picks the last decade have been poor. Instead of consistently shoring up our roster with high level, second round talent, BB has missed here more than probably anywhere else in the draft. For every Duggar or Barmore, there are three to four Jordan Richards or Dobson, Cyrus Jones, JoJuan Williams, Duke Dawson, Tyquan Thorton. Key draft mises here in the second round are a clear indication that BB's drafting has been very poor overall during the last decade.

I think the bad drafts became even more noticeable once the all pro TE/QB left. Between 14-18, the core of the great drafts between 2010-2012 (Gronk, Edelman, McCourtey, Hightower, etc) were still on the team. That could offset the misses. Now, nobody can cover the warts anymore.

 

[203Pat]

Give him credit for playing and not being injured. RB isn't an easy position.

But...any RB could have produced with the large holes he was getting. It's not as if he was making things happen out of nothing.

Lagarrette Blount never got injured either and was equivalent to Sony and we traded a bag of peanuts to get him. A RB in the first round needs to be truly dynamic to be worth it and Sony was miles away from dynamic.

 

[captain stone]

Lagarrette Blount never got injured either and was equivalent to Sony and we traded a bag of peanuts to get him. A RB in the first round needs to be truly dynamic to be worth it and Sony was miles away from dynamic.

Pre-injury Nick Chubb was a lot closer to that level than Sorny Michel was, that's for sure.

 

[RIpats88]

I think the bad drafts became even more noticeable once the all pro TE/QB left. Between 14-18, the core of the great drafts between 2010-2012 (Gronk, Edelman, McCourtey, Hightower, etc) were still on the team. That could offset the misses. Now, nobody can cover the warts anymore.

THIS and it's pretty obvious. fans want to sell the "reset year we went all in!" BS with why the roster went to garbage in 2019 with brady and has been low talent ever since but in reality, those "pro bowl" players just aged out and Bill whiffed on finding replacements in the draft or oddly just ignored even trying to find their replacements. People acting like theres nothing Bill could do.

I mean the 2nd dynasty was built on great drafts from 2010-2012. perfect example is 3rd down back. we went from woodhead to vereen to white....then Bill just ignores drafting a replacement when we knew White was ageing out. Gronk retires and Bill replaces him with ben watson....then we draft two TE's high. only to have to pay top dollar the next year for two TE's because they couldnt play...lets brady leave only to sign cam newton.

for the guy with a "plan for everything" not attempting to replace guys. or just whiffing on their replacements is a bad look. I mean you are telling me Bill didn't have an inkling that maybe Gronk was near his end or White? that he should look to find replacements?

most teams don't have tons of cap space....because they re-sign their own players. Now lets look at the drafts since Bill's "re-set year" can anyone point to talent close to (gronk, edelman, mccourty, hightower etc.) who will be the linchpins of the future? I don't see it.

sure he's drafted some nice players. but Onwenu/Duggar are going to free agency because Bill didn't want to pay them and are probably gone. Uche looked promising last year and now hes probably gone. and lets be honest, Rhamondre stevenson is going to be on another team when his contract is up...

 

[RIpats88]

This is a fundamental part of the problem. Our second round picks the last decade have been poor. Instead of consistently shoring up our roster with high level, second round talent, BB has missed here more than probably anywhere else in the draft. For every Duggar or Barmore, there are three to four Jordan Richards or Dobson, Cyrus Jones, JoJuan Williams, Duke Dawson, Tyquan Thorton. Key draft mises here in the second round are a clear indication that BB's drafting has been very poor overall during the last decade.

don't forget the 2 tight ends we drafted pretty high....only to have to pay top dollar the next year in free agency for 2 tight ends...

 

[RIpats88]

Stange has been serviceable and he has been bad. I also expect more out of what of a guy who theoretically should've been one of the best one or two players at his position. It isn't like we took the 5th best receiver late in round one. We took a position that doesn't really need a premium pick as we have always gotten by there with mid to late rounders at guard outside of Mankins.

This notion that all the good players just dry up by the end of the first round is a ridiculous Bill fanboy argument for why he has drafted so poorly the last decade. Christian Watson, Breece Hall, Jalen Pitre, Boye Mafe, Jaquan Brisker. All good players drafted in the same ballpark as Strange and all would have made a much bigger impact than an up and down guard.

it's pretty hilarious. How do fans think we built our 2nd dynasty while we were competing for super bowls? it's pure revisionist history to act like outside of the top 10 you can't find elite talent. I can name tons of players drafted late in the first or in the 2nd, 3rd rounds who ended up elite at their positions. the lynchpin of our 2nd dynasty were mostly all drafted in the late first round!

but fans need to stick their head in the ground to feed the "theres nothing Bill could do!" narrative.

 

[Toofy]

If you defend bills drafting there is no other logic to determine your statement than to say that you are on the payroll of Bill.

We were bad.. rank bad... drafting by bill last decade.. stink stunk stank

 

[IcyPatriot]

Bill kind of reminds me of Bobby 'stopwatch' Greir.
Remember him .... he would get out of the car with that damn stopwatch.

Maybe he throws darts at a draft guide like Felgah and Mazz.

 

[Ring 6]

I think Simms is incorrect in his wording but correct in theory. I think Bill passes on guys who may not be coachable in his opinion and takes the guy who's more coachable. Rare is the guy who wants to be coached and is great. The league is full of knuckleheads who only use half of what's given them: talent and brains. I think that's why Bill places such emphasis on team captains and leaders coming out of college; they know what it takes most of the time. The moment that guys become an issue in the locker room, stop following the plan, or, most glaringly last year, go off the reservation, they are gone.

I would bet the post isn’t Chris Simms actual words either, but the posters paraphrasing to make it fit his agenda.

 

[Ring 6]

For years many thought Bill just can't evaluate talent, but it's becoming clear there's no way he could be this bad at evaluating talent. Rather, he's picking guys that are not going to make waves in the locker room, "do their job" and be good team players.

Regarding WR's, I haven't seen it mentioned by anyone that he was on the staff that coached Keyshawn Johnson from 1997-1999 who was arguably the biggest diva WR in the NFL along with Terrell Owens. He was a pain in the ass and Parcells eventually traded him after the 1999 season.

Years later, Keyshawn made it clear he wanted to play for Bill and the Pats after his time in Carolina in 2006, but Bill passed on him for the 2007 season. Maybe we we can blame Keyshawn for traumatizing Bill into passing up on so many talented WR's. Lol.

With Moss being the anomaly, he had told Tom Brady a few years before they eventually played together that one day they would. Moss rejected the trade to GB and only wanted to go to NE. This was a deal I'm thankful Bill did not pass up.

The guy who went out and got
Randy Moss
Corey Dillon
Ocho Cinco
Albert Haynesworth
Antonio Brown

among many others is the guy you just made up this bizarre analysis?

 

[TheRainMaker]

I would bet the post isn’t Chris Simms actual words either, but the posters paraphrasing to make it fit his agenda.

Lol. Here's his "actual words".

 

[Ring 6]

Lol. Here's his "actual words".

So I was right you did make it up?

 

[Ring 6]

BB definitely has to go back to not caring if his players “have fun.” It all seemed to start turning at that moment, when he started caring if players had fun and when he said he only wanted to coach players he liked.

That shouldn’t factor into it at all, winning is fun. This is professional football. Nobody liked Charles Haley, he was a bipolar mess, but his teammates were happy to have him on gameday.

Wtf are you talking about. When did an alien take over belichicks body and say he cares about players having fun?

 

[TheRainMaker]

So I was right you did make it up?

No, but whatever makes you feel better.

 

[PatsfanTN]

The guy who went out and got
Randy Moss
Corey Dillon
Ocho Cinco
Albert Haynesworth
Antonio Brown

among many others is the guy you just made up this bizarre analysis?

Well now hang on, these were ALL malcontents brought in on the cheap. Moss and Dillon were the only two that worked out if memory serves me.

 

[Ring 6]

No, but whatever makes you feel better.

That video doesn’t say what you quoted him as saying. Not even close.
Dont be a liar

 

[Ring 6]

Well now hang on, these were ALL malcontents brought in on the cheap. Moss and Dillon were the only two that worked out if memory serves me.

The claim was he was afraid to sign big personalities or people who wouldn’t toe the line. In fact he does it more than anyone.
We just have a poster who holds a grudge against winning 6 Lombardis so he makes things up to attack the goat.

 

[JohnJH]

I don’t know about anyone else’s, but I am petrified that Belichick will be making our top 3? Pick

That, and Bill getting just enough wins that we won't be picking in the Top 3 (or even Top 5), AND making the picks.