Will Mac Jones be the starter after the Bye ?

[PatsFan2]

Mac wasn't handed the job, he won it. Beat Zappe like a drum which is what I expected to happen. Guy drafted in the first round is better than the guy that should have never been drafted at all.

True 99.99% of the time. Not sure why that's a surprise.


Is a 36 QB Rating doing a good job in mop up duty?


Gee I wonder why.


If I'm wrong I'm wrong. In this case there's no evidence whatsoever at this time to expect that I'm wrong.

And IF i'm right I'm right it's kind of interesting but D Parker seems to play well with Zappe he put up good numbers in the two games Zappe won and a TD in that Green Bay game. Not going to lie but Juju have looked better in recent weeks Mac just doesn't see guys when they break open quickly downfield maybe Zappe will.

 

[sb1]

And IF i'm right I'm right

Touche.

it's kind of interesting but D Parker seems to play well with Zappe he put up good numbers in the two games Zappe won and a TD in that Green Bay game. Not going to lie but Juju have looked better in recent weeks Mac just doesn't see guys when they break open quickly downfield maybe Zappe will.

I guess for Juju anything a notch above useless is technically "better".

 

[PatsFan2]

Touche.

I guess for Juju anything a notch above useless is technically "better".

Juju might be trending in the right direction and Parker should be out of the concussion protocol. They both might show up regularly on the stat sheet going forward with better QB play not to mention our TE's.

 

[PatsFan2]

I get the feeling that BB and BOB don't think our Offense is that bad and all it's troubles lead right back to back foot Mac.

 

[Wozzy]

Aaaand here comes the Zappeite go-to logic lol.

But that throw that one time at the combine when he was in shorts! But 2-0 last year! lolol

Every. Single. Time.

Troll… ^

I don’t know why anyone bothers talking to you.

 

[Wozzy]

Can't have your cake and eat it too. When Brady was here it Bill apparently had so much to do with the winning. Now that Mac is here and losing Bill has nothing to do with the losing and it's all Mac.

Coaches coach, player’s play… this ^ take is silly nonsense.

BB drafred Mac, nobody has absolved him from blame… Mac just sucks.

 

[203Pat]

Coaches coach, player’s play… this ^ take is silly nonsense.

BB drafred Mac, nobody has absolved him from blame… Mac just sucks.

If that is your position you would need to admit the quarterback is the most vital in winning games and super bowls. Which would make Brady more responsible than Bill for winning 6 rings here.

 

[sb1]

Troll… ^

I don’t know why anyone bothers talking to you.

You complained about being called a Zappeite...so don't say Zappeite things.

Nobody gives two craps about "2-0 last year" or one throw at the combine in shorts. He has a 36 rating in mop-up duty and was terrible in preseason and in camp. There's no evidence right now he belong in the league at all. Ditto for Grier. That's reality. Our QB room is one of the worst in the league. I wouldn't hold my breath that we'll see this magical improvement over the last 7 games. The offense is putrid.

 

[Wozzy]

If that is your position you would need to admit the quarterback is the most vital in winning games and super bowls. Which would make Brady more responsible than Bill for winning 6 rings here.

The greatest QB in history got beat by Nick Foles… it’s a team game. QB’s are really important, there’s only one of them versus five offensive lineman for example. It’s still a team game.

Brady got Arians fired and won 8 games, coaching matters as well. This isn’t a popularity contest, Tom needed his defense to bail him out numerous times. It’s a foolish conversation for little minds… cheerleaders.

 

[Pats1971]

The greatest QB in history got beat by Nick Foles… it’s a team game. QB’s are really important, there’s only one of them versus five offensive lineman for example. It’s still a team game.

Brady got Arians fired and won 8 games, coaching matters as well. This isn’t a popularity contest, Tom needed his defense to bail him out numerous times. It’s a foolish conversation for little minds… cheerleaders.

Well no Brady didnt get beat by Foles, they were not playing Ping pong. QB's are the most important player on the field, they can change your entire team around, they can make the bad good and the good better. The good ones can. Brady could probably as much or more than anyone ever. Brady didnt get anyone fired first of all, because Arians was not fired, second, coaching had little to do with that record that year. Thats a 2 win team without Brady, they won 8 because they sat their starters in the second half with a lead. There is not anything got bailing out a player, that doesnt exist. You do not seem to undersand the concept of valuable and most valuable, and you want to act like its all equal, and its not. If you do not understand that there are QB's that abolsutely make teams better, then football might not be your thing. Basically you are saying all QB's are equal and their success depends only one what is around them and coaching. False. If Zack Wilson is the QB of the pats starting in 2001 and through 2019, we dont have 6 superbowls if everything else stays the same. If you think they would, then Im done with this conversation with you.

 

[Wozzy]

Well no Brady didnt get beat by Foles, they were not playing Ping pong. QB's are the most important player on the field, they can change your entire team around, they can make the bad good and the good better. The good ones can. Brady could probably as much or more than anyone ever. Brady didnt get anyone fired first of all, because Arians was not fired, second, coaching had little to do with that record that year. Thats a 2 win team without Brady, they won 8 because they sat their starters in the second half with a lead. There is not anything got bailing out a player, that doesnt exist. You do not seem to undersand the concept of valuable and most valuable, and you want to act like its all equal, and its not. If you do not understand that there are QB's that abolsutely make teams better, then football might not be your thing. Basically you are saying all QB's are equal and their success depends only one what is around them and coaching. False. If Zack Wilson is the QB of the pats starting in 2001 and through 2019, we dont have 6 superbowls if everything else stays the same. If you think they would, then Im done with this conversation with you.

If I’m talking to someone proposing that QB’s are responsible for all things, then I have to talk to them in their simplistic language to get through to them… so yeah, based on their flawed value system Foles beat Brady. I think it’s as absurd as you do.

In 2022 Brady refused to report to work, threatened to retire. Arians stepped down, and the next day Brady showed up for work. You can pretend this isn’t how it went down, but that’s how it went down.

And yeah, the Buc’s O ranked #1 in pass attempts and 32nd in rushing attempts… clearly a lack of coaching had something to do with it. QB’s are really important, but they can’t be both player and offensive coordinator.

Blind allegiance to TB12 isn’t honest or objective.

Also in no way did I imply all QB’s are equal, that’s just a silly interpretation of what I’ve said. I’ve said there are other great and good QB’s in the league, and what puts them in the playoffs and winning rings is a great team. There’s never been a bad team dragged to a championship by a great QB in history, there’s numerous examples of a great team dragging an average/good QB to a championship.

In 2001 playoffs, if Troy Brown and the special teams unit doesn’t return a punt for a TD Tom Brady has one fewer ring.

In 2016 Tom’s defense, run game and special teams (mostly Dion Lewis being a one man wrecking crew) carried him through a poor performance against the Texans… or he has one less ring.

Attributing team success to one player in the ultimate team sport is a childlike understanding of football… if you think this way feel free not to converse with me.

 

[sb1]

it’s a team game

Great so it's weird that people shriek and call other people Mac shills when they correctly point out the OL blowing coverage on the same play where Mac threw that pick and he got the ball out in 2.2 seconds anyway. It is a team game after all.

 

[sb1]

If I’m talking to someone proposing that QB’s are responsible for all things, then I have to talk to them in their simplistic language to get through to them… so yeah, based on their flawed value system Foles beat Brady. I think it’s as absurd as you do.

"The OL was beaten on Mac's int throw." <-- Mac shill!!! It's all his fault the team sucks! It's him that loses games stop talking about the team!

Also Foles beat Belichick not Brady. No explanation is necessary.

In 2022 Brady refused to report to work, threatened to retire. Arians stepped down, and the next day Brady showed up for work. You can pretend this isn’t how it went down, but that’s how it went down.

Fantasy.

NFL insider addresses bombshell rumor about Tom Brady forcing Bruce Arians into retirement

The rumor about Tom Brady forcing head coach Bruce Arians into retirement was addressed by NFL national insider Ian Rapoport.

www.sportskeeda.com

And yeah, the Buc’s O ranked #1 in pass attempts and 32nd in rushing attempts… clearly a lack of coaching had something to do with it. QB’s are really important, but they can’t be both player and offensive coordinator.

Blind allegiance to TB12 isn’t honest or objective.

TB12 is the GOAT. He gets any the benefit of the doubt. Always and forever. He's earned it.

Also in no way did I imply all QB’s are equal, that’s just a silly interpretation of what I’ve said. I’ve said there are other great and good QB’s in the league, and what puts them in the playoffs and winning rings is a great team. There’s never been a bad team dragged to a championship by a great QB in history

2001 Pats, 2020 Bucs say hello. It was Brady.

, there’s numerous examples of a great team dragging an average/good QB to a championship.

There's also examples of a great QB dragging an average coach to a championship.

In 2001 playoffs, if Troy Brown and the special teams unit doesn’t return a punt for a TD Tom Brady has one fewer ring.

In 2006 if Bill's defense didn't blow a big lead in the dome in the AFC Championship game, Tom has one more ring
In 2007 if Bill's defense makes a stop at the end, Tom has one more ring and an undefeated season.
In 2011 if Bill's defense makes a stop at the end, Tom has one more ring.
In 2017 if Bill well you know... Tom also has one more ring.

If you want to play the hypotheticals game I can keep going.

Attributing team success to one player in the ultimate team sport is a childlike understanding of football… if you think this way feel free not to converse with me.

Attributing team failure to one player in the ultimate team sport and deriding anyone who has a different opinion as a shill is also a childlike understanding of football...

 

[lancerman]

Troll… ^

I don’t know why anyone bothers talking to you.

Did you look in the mirror as you typed that?

 

[lancerman]

Great so it's weird that people shriek and call other people Mac shills when they correctly point out the OL blowing coverage on the same play where Mac threw that pick and he got the ball out in 2.2 seconds anyway. It is a team game after all.

You’re talking to a guy who changed his entire perception of football based on what is convenient for his homerism

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[PatsFan2]

Like why?? Dysfunctional Patriots how to ruin a Young QB 101.

 

[Urgent]

Mild surprise.
Would rather see whether Zappe or Grier could be next year's back-up QB.
But different incentives. I will be a Pats fan long after Belichick is gone. I assume Belichick is gone soon after hitting the Wins record.
So as a long-term fan, in a season when there is no hope of playoff success, let's see the young players and position for an elite QB.
As the almost-winningest coach in history, let's try to win every possible game this season at the expense of the long-term future.

 

[Ross12]

Slightly odd, but… they only have one practice this week and then several days off. They may have felt it wiser to have a regular practice and then come up with a plan for the new starter over the next several days, then begin executing that plan when everyone returns.

Or maybe I’m just coping.

 

[catent]

Zappe is trash, full stop. He won't be on the team next year so starting that stiff is a waste of time unless they plan to put him up for a trade. Then he should start the rest of the way and then hopefully some team will send us a 2025 7th rounder for him. Right now his trade value is zero.

Grier is the real unknown but I wouldn't expect miracles from that guy either.

I will be forever convinced Zappe ****ed SB’s mom in front of him. The guy’s obsession with him is extremely bizarre; it’s a personal crusade at this point.