PostGame Thread 23 Official Week 10 PostGame NE vs IND Reactions

[RobertWeathers]

Let's remember that he faded in the last several games of his 1st year.

Opposing coaches see film. They determine how many things a guy can't do.

1. Refuses to throw early to wide open backs or WRs in the flat. RESULT: DON'T GUARD THE FLAT
2. Locks into the center of the field. RESULT: FLOOD THE CENTER OF THE FIELD
3. Gets happy feet: RESULT: SEND MULTIPLE RUSHERS UP THE GUT
4. Weak arm, can't throw an out: RESULT: FLOOD THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD
5. Won't throw long. RESULT: ONE SAFETY UP TOP, YOU CAN CHEAT UP

...and the numbers prove that.

 

[venecol]

And Jonnu Smith is on pace for 800 yards and already has 4 TDs.

At some point, you have to believe it’s more than the player determining the numbers - particularly when you’re talking about a WR or RB, who can’t manufacture their chances.

They get ‘em or they don’t, and that’s on the OC and the QB.

Or the GM. I’m sure Pickens here would have behaved like an Angel and wouldn’t have been Boutted to the inactive list, right?

Agholor has 224 yds and 2 TDs as WR#4. That's better than all Pats WRs and TEs except Bourne and Henry.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

@ the lets give mac a fourth year crowd,

if there is one left of this club

 

[turkeyneck]

Bill knows he needs impact players he just thinks he can find them in more creative ways and coach them up into it.

Bill himself could. Scar could, Fears could, Weiss, Reihbein, Crennel, even Mangini(spit) could. What with all the departures Bill hasn't had the support staff to carry out his plans effectively for a long time. He can't do it all himself and the knuckleheads he's staffed with now can't get it done. But the Pats are still operating as though they could coach up discount bin JAGs and all they're getting is poorly coached discount bin JAGs.

 

[venecol]

People are ignorant, Tom didn't pick the players that helped him win 6 super bowls, he didn't manage the clock and all the other things a coach does. The disrespect Bill gets here is mind blowing after watching him for 20+ years, if you don't see what he accomplished you're either pissed that we're having a bad year or just don't want to see it.

You're talking specifically about on field performance. Having a guy that you know can turn it on and drive the field in a few minutes for a score certainly helps w/ clock management. Of course Bill deserves credit. He's been a hell of a DC his entire career. I'll have to look for it, but there's a tweet out there showing O and D EPA's during Brady's years that pretty much dispells the notion that the D carried Brady.

My point is that Brady helped Bill in the locker room (outside the field) way more than ppl give him credit for. It was Brady's persona that had the players buying into Bill's BS. more so than Bill being an ******* got the players to buy in. Bill doesn't have that guy anymore. He's lost and can't get his players to buy in. It's been over for years. People just refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[Triumph]

You're getting caught up in a narrative that isn't accurate. I would say that Belichick is getting exposed as not being good at team-building without a quarterback who can make up for the philosophy they've tried to follow when it comes to opting for average talent vs adding impact players. I mean, I get mixing average guys in, but not having at least one impact player at all is just ridiculous. I'm sure somewhere the argument internally with him has been made that, "we didn't win with Moss or Welker" which - while true - happened prior to 2010 before the league really shifted.

Tom was clearly an anomaly, and Belichick's philosophy with the offensive side of the roster is 100% the problem. So I would say his presence exposed that, but the rest is just nonsense. As I said, put Belichick on the sidelines with the rosters some of the teams that have gotten bounced in the postseason in recent years, and I'd be willing to bet it's a different story.

In the beginning, BB had Charlie Weis who handled the offense. The Pats won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. The Pats made the Spread Offense en vogue to where almost every college program was running some form of it. The last 3 Pats Super Bowl wins were with Brady running the offense.

 

[Ian]

In the beginning, BB had Charlie Weis who handled the offense. The Pats won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. The Pats made the Spread Offense en vogue to where almost every college program was running some form of it. The last 3 Pats Super Bowl wins were with Brady running the offense.

... with McDaniels in his ear all the way until the cutoff. Brady talked about that on King's podcast following one of them, I think it was the comeback win over Atlanta.

Again, Brady was the best, but he couldn't do/see everything with so much going on around him (no QB can). It doesn't hurt to be working with someone like McDaniels who had a tendency to spot things to help him - it was a great dynamic. He and Josh certainly had a pretty incredible relationship and obviously had a lot of success together.

Josh is a terrific coordinator, just not a great head coach. Definitely curious to see what happens to him now because I feel like he's got a tough road ahead from here.

 

[Triumph]

You're talking specifically about on field performance. Having a guy that you know can turn it on and drive the field in a few minutes for a score certainly helps w/ clock management. Of course Bill deserves credit. He's been a hell of a DC his entire career. I'll have to look for it, but there's a tweet out there showing O and D EPA's during Brady's years that pretty much dispells the notion that the D carried Brady.

My point is that Brady helped Bill in the locker room (outside the field) way more than ppl give him credit for. It was Brady's persona that had the players buying into Bill's BS. more so than Bill being an ******* got the players to buy in. Bill doesn't have that guy anymore. He's lost and can't get his players to buy in. It's been over for years. People just refuse to acknowledge it.

Nobody buys in to losing.

Brady handled the lockeroom because Brady has credibility.

 

[bruinator]

Thank you Patriots for losing. Plz keep on doing so. We need to keep doing so as we need to get a good/great QB in the draft and we can move on from BB as he is so out dated running a team in 2023.

For those of you who disliked my post I have to ask if you've watched the team the past 3 years, LOL?

 

[TheRainMaker]

For those of you who disliked my post I have to ask if you've watched the team the past 3 years, LOL?

A high draft pick is nice, but it's not a guarantee the Pats or any team for that matter picks the right player. For example, how the hell does Mitch Trubisky go ahead of DeShaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes?

The only advantage of a high draft pick is control.

 

[signbabybrady]

... with McDaniels in his ear all the way until the cutoff. Brady talked about that on King's podcast following one of them, I think it was the comeback win over Atlanta.

Again, Brady was the best, but he couldn't do/see everything with so much going on around him (no QB can). It doesn't hurt to be working with someone like McDaniels who had a tendency to spot things to help him - it was a great dynamic. He and Josh certainly had a pretty incredible relationship and obviously had a lot of success together.

Josh is a terrific coordinator, just not a great head coach. Definitely curious to see what happens to him now because I feel like he's got a tough road ahead from here.

Josh's name is definitely making its way around the league in a bad way and his next HC job probably won't come unless he coordinates a title for someone other than Bill. And even getting that OC job might be tough but ultimately I think he can find one.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

A high draft pick is nice, but it's not a guarantee the Pats or any team for that matter picks the right player. For example, how the hell does Mitch Trubisky go ahead of DeShaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes?

The only advantage of a high draft pick is control.

and that more players are available
the pool of players you can select from is obv higher but as you rightfully mentioned you can pick the wrong guy

 

[TheRainMaker]

and that more players are available
the pool of players you can select from is obv higher but as you rightfully mentioned you can pick the wrong guy

Another example is that Bill had the 1st pick in 2nd round of the 2011 draft (a trade from Carolina for the Pats 3rd round pick in 2010). He had all night to think about what player of all the players left he could chose from, yet picks Ras-I Dowling who had a lengthy injury history.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Another example is that Bill had the 1st pick in 2nd round of the 2011 draft (a trade from Carolina for the Pats 3rd round pick in 2010). He had all night to think about what player of all the players left he could chose from, yet picks Ras-I Dowling who had a lengthy injury history.

 

[PatsFan2]

checkers vs Chess.

 

[patsinthesnow]

The myth that Onwenu is a great guard and average tackle is busted. He’s a must re-sign this offseason.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

The myth that Onwenu is a great guard and average tackle is busted. He’s a must re-sign this offseason.

@DaBruinz the stats for onwenu

 

[DaBruinz]

Why do you think bb is using the same approach for the offense game planning under Brady as under mac at qb?

With Brady at QB and jmd at oc bb did not need to get so much involved

If bb is not getting involved and just discussing some plays he should be fired asap because he saw the offense ****show for two confesucive years and if you are still not getting involved with the little offense production he pats have , then why is he still the HC?

*ROFLMAO*
You're one of those who was B***HIN up a storm over Patricia. So he brings back BOB, who has a proven track record, and you think that BB is going to be micromanaging things?

No. I don't expect BB to be MORE involved with the offense than he has in years past. Maybe if you paid attention to ANYTHING in ANY of the Books/Documentaries/ETC you'd know that BB was as "hands-on" with McDaniels in his first year as he was with Weis in his 4th. Or with BOB during his original tenure.

The "****show" on offense is based on injuries to the O-line. What EXACTLY would you expect BB to do about THAT during the GAMEPLANNING for the week? Or do you not understand that?

 

[DaBruinz]

The myth that Onwenu is a great guard and average tackle is busted. He’s a must re-sign this offseason.

I'm sorry, but you didn't watch the game is you think that the idea that Onwenu is only an average tackle is busted.

Onwenu was beaten for a sack as well as the pressure. Onwenu missed several blocks on the day. And I'm not the only one who pointed it out.

 

[DaBruinz]

@DaBruinz the stats for onwenu

I could care less what they claim. I know what actually happened during the game. I'm not the only one who saw it..