OT: Josh McDaniels Fired

[NormZauchin]

It isn't uncommon for a legend head coach to have a horrible coaching tree. Don Shula's coaching tree is abysmal. The coaching tree career record is 198-312-9 with a playoff record of 4-3 (yes, all of his coaching tree combined have only coached seven playoff games). The following are the head coaches from his coaching tree: Don McCafferty, Charley Winner, Bill Arnsparger, Monte Clark, Howard Schnellenberger, Dan Henning, and David Shula.

Does Bill's coaching tree have more victories than Shula's?

 

[Sect140]

Jimmy G has been benched too.

The rookie QB that Ziegler and Josh selected.

 

[Family]

Yeah, all this hand-wringing about getting rid of Carr and making the team worse is kind of crap. He just moved them from one kind of terrible to another.

They went 10-7 and lost in OT in the playoffs the year before McDaniels arrived.

Still a ridiculously quick firing.

 

[Rob0729]

Does Bill's coaching tree have more victories than Shula's?

Less victories, but less games. Overall the Belichick coaching tree has a better record, but not good at all. It is 184-268.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Patriots Coaching Tree
NFL winning Percentages
Bill O’Brien - .520
Brian Flores - .490
Eric Mangini - .413
Josh McDaniels - .377
Romeo Crennel - .337
Matt Patricia - .314
Joe Judge - .303

Maybe we underestimated Bill’s legacy. Clearly the coaches he’s put around him over the years were probably holding him back from winning more.

This was just one of the many reasons for their 10 year drought. The coaching staff during the 1st dynasty was far superior winning 3 Super Bowls out 5 years. It took the new crew 10 years to win one with Tom going in God Mode.

Also, anyone else notice the 2nd crew turned out to be arrogant pricks (McDaniels, Patricia and Judge)? The 1st crew seemed way more humble (Weiss and Crennel). I don't remember how NYJ and Cleveland felt about Mangina.

 

[TheRainMaker]

lol

This would be a nightmare scenario.

 

[Jim Beankie]

This is our world now. It doesn't matter if the Pats fire the current guy, since it'll probably end up being a coaching carousel for decades. There'll be the "Cam Newton" coach who's gonna be middling at best for years, then after firing that guy after 2 or 3 years, chances are there'll be a miss rather than a hit for a few years, and so on and so on.

Probably not a popular opinion (and I do see others who have mentioned it), but I'd want him back as a QB coach. At this point, he could probably just retire, though, and never have to work another job... make up time with kids... grandkids potentially.

 

[Sfpat]

Seems to be a recurring theme with his disciples. McDaniels, Patricia, Mangini, Flores, Judge, and to some extent O'Brien.

Saben? Ferentz?

 

[FortressX]

Crennel and Weis coached for the Big Tuna first

 

[captain stone]

I am wondering that too. It takes at least 3-4 years to truly change a football culture, and Davis can't be that stupid. I wonder if he has had input from various players on the team.

Anyway, now that the Raiders have fired him, they'll hit the reset button. New coach, new QB, and new offense for next season.

And for that reason, I say NO to bringing McD back here. It's time to stop the merry go round and stick to one offense, one philosophy and let that be mastered. Players are starting to pick up on how BOB likes to do things.

McD's & Obie's offenses are merely different branches of the E-P tree; there should be no significant loss of continuity going from one to another.

 

[VrabelJr]

I heard a quote one time that was along the lines of "If everyone knew how easy being a hot girl was they would kill themselves" and I think the Mark Davis equivalent of that is "If everyone know what kind of crazy hair you can have when you're a billionaire they would kill themselves"

 

[captain stone]

lol

Our next GM hired no later than one week before the Senior Bowl workouts MUST be either Eliot Wolf or an Outsider. Little Nicky Caesar, Ziggy the Pinhead AND Al Groh's kid All ****ing Suck.

 

[Boomer B]

Didn’t we hear that give the Pats coaches a decent QB and they could compete for a SB with their system. What a pile of ****. We now know offensively it was all Brady. He made a lot of coaches a boatload of money.

 

[captain stone]

Mickey Mouse was an F & F hack who was in way, Way over his head as OC.

 

[IcyPatriot]

 

[IcyPatriot]

This one is great .... On same page the official fire mcdaniels thread and mcdaniels is fired thread.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don’t care about MacDaniels and Zeigler getting fired, but this is a textbook example of an owner not knowing what the **** they are doing, with the result being a **** franchise. If you are going to hire a coach and GM to run your franchise you need to know what their plan is to turn the franchise into a contender, lay out a timeline and markers to meet to reach the intermediate goals, and then give them the time and support to try and achieve it. A year and a half doesn’t come close to giving them the time to implement a plan to turn the franchise around, so the Raiders will just continue to stumble along, with no direction, and no overall plan to get anywhere.

Kraft will soon be facing the same situation in replacing Belichick. And while I’m not Kraft’s biggest fan he was right to hire Belichick, and to give him the time to put his plan for them in place. The result was the only dynasty of the free agency/salary cap era.He needs to follow the same blueprints runt this time. Find the right coach and GM, with the right plans for the franchise, then stand by them and support them for at least 3-4 seasons, depending upon overall progress in building the team. Don’t go hiring and firing coaches and GM’s every year or two, as it ends up a complete mess.

 

[NormZauchin]

Less victories, but less games. Overall the Belichick coaching tree has a better record, but not good at all. It is 184-268.

Still raises the question if Belichick will continue coaching so as to have more disciples who will then go on as head coaches and who in that capacity will win games so that Belichick's coaching tree would have more victories than Shula's.

 

[bosox2398]

Mcdaniels will be on the staff in some capacity by next season and Kraft will spend all offseason (like he did with O'brien) raving about how they've solved their offensive issues.

 

[captain stone]

Josh reminds me of Lord Clonfert, a character in The Mauritius Command, a volume in Patrick O'Brians Aubrey-Maturin series. Anybody know that book?

The Clonfert character was modeled on Captain Nesbit Willoughby. Here's a portrait: obviously a dead ringer for our Wandering Boy, Josh:

Josh looks heavier now than in the portrait... Those buffet specials on the Strip appear to be doing a number on him...