Broncos moving Jeudy

[Ian]

Well if you dismissed everything wrong with players by making something up you would trade for everyone.
Why would you want a player who can’t get along with his QB? He’s not leaving, he’s being dumped.

He played with Mac - so they'd have chemistry and would potentially at least improve their production. Again, at some point, they're going to have to just bite the bullet and admit that there's an issue with who they felt were good decisions (Parker and Smith-Schuster). If they won't, that's kind of an issue, especially for a team that needs to make changes if they want to avoid the skid they're already experiencing.

 

[Zuma]

Well if you dismissed everything wrong with players by making something up you would trade for everyone.
Why would you want a player who can’t get along with his QB? He’s not leaving, he’s being dumped.

Dismissed everything wrong with Jeudy? Like what? No I’m not saying that. I’m saying that perhaps there is a lack of chemistry with his QB or an issue with a coach. This sort of thing happens all the time. Have you ever read the news? Thats all I’m saying. YOU and me don’t know.

I’ll give you the last word because you’re you.

 

[Chevy]

It's the whole chicken/egg theory. Did Mac/Zappe/Stevenson all suddenly lose it, or are there outside factors/personnel issues holding them back? If it costs them little, it's a risk worth taking. I wouldn't give up anything crazy, and we've already seen guys around the league being moved for a couple of late round picks ... if they can figure out a way to get him and it's not expensive, it's not a terrible idea because they could absolutely use the help.

Mac may have lost it a la Eason - beaten down a few times, mentally abused.

Zappe may never have had it. The lite success last season could be as much due to no one really knowing him as it was talent (though he did appear confident in the pocket).

Stevenson, IMHO, is a young guy who is seeing broken plays every time he gets the ball. This isn't college, so ad-libs need to account for the faster reaction time of NFL level players. He is seeing nothing but collapsing lineman.

Get the OL fixed, get a receiver who can separate, then look at QB and additional weapons.

 

[Rob0729]

If this season wasn’t going down the crapper, I would say trade for him. But at this point, there is no reason to trade for him.

Next year the Pats will have a new GM and he will make personnel decisions. I don‘t Belichick making any personnel decisions for the new GM to have to deal with.

 

[RIpats88]

If this was the off-season, I'd say yes. But it's too late for that now. This team is going to get blown up in the off-season.

Would be nice to have some young pieces to build around

 

[Ross12]

Ok, ok, hear me out... Jeudy, Russell Wilson, and a 3rd rounder for Mac Jones

 

[Guts]

Ok, ok, hear me out... Jeudy, Russell Wilson, and a 3rd rounder for Mac Jones

Jokes aside Russell has actually been playing decently

 

[Rob0729]

Ok, ok, hear me out... Jeudy, Russell Wilson, and a 3rd rounder for Mac Jones

The Broncos can’t trade Wilson. If they trade him before the trade deadline, they will take a $86 million immediate cap hit. They don’t have $86 million of cap room. If they cut or trade him next year, it is a $49.6 million cap hit.

P.S. I know you were joking. just wanted to point out how ridiculous Wilson’s contract is.

 

[Rob0729]

Jokes aside Russell has actually been playing decently

He hasn’t played as well as his stats indicate especially in the Miami game where he got a lot garbage time padding. But he is playing much better than last year. Although he couldn’t play any worse.

 

[Ross12]

The Broncos can’t trade Wilson. If they trade him before the trade deadline, they will take a $86 million immediate cap hit. They don’t have $86 million of cap room. If they cut or trade him next year, it is a $49.6 million cap hit.

No they won't, it's a post-June trade. The cap hit proration would hit next year's cap. They'd gain cap space back this year, but probably take around a $60M dead money bath next year. However, if Payton wants to get out of that deal, maybe he takes Mac off our hands and gives us Jeudy and a pick to sweeten the exchange.

Essentially, if they trade him now they are only responsible for the signing bonus proration that they've already got against their cap for this year, and they gain back a percent of his salary that becomes the responsibility of the team that acquires him, and the acquiring team also becomes the responsible party for his 2024 guaranteed salary. Then the other $60ish million of signing bonus proration hits 2024's cap. If they keep him and cut him next year, they still take that $60M dead money bath plus another $17M of dead money in 2024. If they keep him past the 5th day of the 2024 league year, his 2025 salary also becomes guaranteed, which is $37M. So they could potentially be on the hook for another almost $120M if they keep him through next year, or only $60M if they can find a trade partner now. That $60M swing is why they might be the ones needing to sweeten the pot.

 

[Sciz]

 

[mgteich]

Can we include a Parker or juju in a potential deal?

sure
Shuster and a 3rd or even a 2nd

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

I think this season is a lost cause so unless he can be got for dirt cheap I'd rather not.

 

[Rob0729]

No they won't, it's a post-June trade. The cap hit proration would hit next year's cap.

It is still an $86 million cap hit no matter when it hits. His base salary this year is only $8 million and he was paid $121 million at signing with $161 million guaranteed. And Denver is $18 million over next year’s cap.

 

[Ross12]

It is still an $86 million cap hit no matter when it hits. His base salary this year is only $8 million and he was paid $121 million at signing with $161 million guaranteed. And Denver is $18 million over next year’s cap.

Read the edit to my prior post

 

[Rob0729]

No they won't, it's a post-June trade. The cap hit proration would hit next year's cap. They'd gain cap space back this year, but probably take around a $60M dead money bath next year. However, if Payton wants to get out of that deal, maybe he takes Mac off our hands and gives us Jeudy and a pick to sweeten the exchange.

Essentially, if they trade him now they are only responsible for the signing bonus proration that they've already got against their cap for this year, and they gain back a percent of his salary that becomes the responsibility of the team that acquires him, and the acquiring team also becomes the responsible party for his 2024 guaranteed salary. Then the other $60ish million of signing bonus proration hits 2024's cap. If they keep him and cut him next year, they still take that $60M dead money bath plus another $17M of dead money due to his 2024 guaranteed salary. If they keep him past the 5th day of the 2024 league year, his 2025 salary also becomes guaranteed, which is $37M. So they could potentially be on the hook for another almost $120M if they keep him through next year, or only $60M if they can find a trade partner now. That $60M swing is why they might be the ones needing to sweeten the pot.

He has $107 million worth of dead money according to Spotrac.

Russell Wilson | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Russell Wilson signed a 1 year, $1,210,000 contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers, including an average annual salary of $1,210,000.

www.spotrac.com

 

[Ross12]

He has $107 million worth of dead money according to Spotrac.

Russell Wilson | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Russell Wilson signed a 1 year, $1,210,000 contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers, including an average annual salary of $1,210,000.

www.spotrac.com

The devil is in the details my friend. It's not so black and white.

 

[Rob0729]

No they won't, it's a post-June trade. The cap hit proration would hit next year's cap. They'd gain cap space back this year, but probably take around a $60M dead money bath next year. However, if Payton wants to get out of that deal, maybe he takes Mac off our hands and gives us Jeudy and a pick to sweeten the exchange.

Essentially, if they trade him now they are only responsible for the signing bonus proration that they've already got against their cap for this year, and they gain back a percent of his salary that becomes the responsibility of the team that acquires him, and the acquiring team also becomes the responsible party for his 2024 guaranteed salary. Then the other $60ish million of signing bonus proration hits 2024's cap. If they keep him and cut him next year, they still take that $60M dead money bath plus another $17M of dead money in 2024. If they keep him past the 5th day of the 2024 league year, his 2025 salary also becomes guaranteed, which is $37M. So they could potentially be on the hook for another almost $120M if they keep him through next year, or only $60M if they can find a trade partner now. That $60M swing is why they might be the ones needing to sweeten the pot.

I will take your numbers as correct, but why would the Patriots want Wilson? Payton wants Wilson gone because he isn’t very good. There is no point in trading for him. They aren’t winning with Wilson and neither would the Patriots.

I don’t want to trade away one QB who isn’t working out and may becoming a problem in the locker room for another QB isn’t working out who seems to be a problem in the locker room where he goes.

 

[VrabelJr]

Trade value just dropped to a 7th

 

[Ian]

Mac may have lost it a la Eason - beaten down a few times, mentally abused.

Zappe may never have had it. The lite success last season could be as much due to no one really knowing him as it was talent (though he did appear confident in the pocket).

Stevenson, IMHO, is a young guy who is seeing broken plays every time he gets the ball. This isn't college, so ad-libs need to account for the faster reaction time of NFL level players. He is seeing nothing but collapsing lineman.

Get the OL fixed, get a receiver who can separate, then look at QB and additional weapons.

I also go back to David Carr, who is another one. Good player, but Houston didn't protect him, and obviously, his career ended in similar fashion.