Mac Not Happy With the Groceries

[RIpats88]

3 sacks in 3 games, two came yesterday on a Hail Mary attempt at the end of the half.

Ryan Clark said the same exact thing at halftime yesterday, Mac is getting clean pockets, he's just not making the throws. He was right.

Did we listen to the same commentary? I heard all game how bad the OL is and it's 32nd in time to throw?

Never once did I hear they have a great OL and Mac is just missing throws.

 

[lancerman]

We've had many years of people here equating Jarvis Landry with Parker. To call that great weapons is beyond credibility.

Mac has a much better setup than Baker did. We're talking Cleveland Browns here.

You continue to underestimate how bad Mac is if you can't see that a gutless jittery QB who bails out instantly and constantly runs into oncoming rushers as his OL sets up blocks--this guy is hopeless. No one said Mayfield is good. He is simply better.

Then you don't watch football. The Browns were loading up like crazy when Baker got there. You can't even compare the two offenses. And they still have the same stats.

Do me a favor, go to anywhere and say Baker's Browns were less talented than the current Patriots and watch the reactions.

Again, platitudes "we're talking about the Cleveland Browns here". No the fact is the Browns had a lot of talented pieces on the offense they gave Baker and the whole league was recognizing it. The Browns saw Baker as such a problem holding back a good team that they decided to drop their pants for a sexual assaulter knowing they would be the bad guys in that scenario because they knew what Baker was.

You just keep repeating the same talking points with zero data behind it and then ignore everything that goes against your narrative.

 

[Wozzy]

I guess the complete inability to run the ball isn’t an offensive line issue either…

You don't run with a 28-3 deficit at the half versus the Cowboys, you don't run with a 21-0 deficit at the half versus the Saints.

Running is only possible when opponents fear the possibility of a pass.

When passing is not an option they load the box with defenders... which is what we're seeing now.

Opponents know Mac is a quivering jellyfish. The run is the only thing they have to defend.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yess to you are delusional? You HONESTLY believe our WR and OL are talented enough?

But hey anything to defend bill!

You're delusional me defend BB after the Brady situation and all those WR misses?? Wrong guy

 

[lancerman]

Opponents load the box and dare Mac to beat them... Mac sucks.

Mac beats his own team by turning it over. Period.

You clearly don't watch the games. Mac's two turnovers today. One he was already in the process of being sacked and threw a desperation ball. Yeah it was a bad decision, the line already broke down by that point. The other interception is one almost everyone agrees was just bad luck and would have happened to anybody.

The line objectively is awful. If you can't acknowledge that, we can't have an honest discussion

 

[Wozzy]

Did we listen to the same commentary? I heard all game how bad the OL is and it's 32nd in time to throw?

Never once did I hear they have a great OL and Mac is just missing throws.

Ryan Clark, he was the guy in the middle at halftime.

 

[RodThePat]

Tom Sr went public with his comment, and he was spot on. It didn't end well here for Tom Jr.

He went public sometimes. More often he was "a source close to Brady's camp".

 

[203Pat]

They also can both be bad and the roster can be bad too.

It's not one or the other. It's a chicken and the egg type thing.

I agree. There are a few guys on defense that might be part of the next playoff team but on offense? Hypothetically let's just say 3 years from now we are a playoff team I wouldn't put money on a single 2023 offensive player being on that team.

 

[Wozzy]

You clearly don't watch the games. Mac's two turnovers today. One he was already in the process of being sacked and threw a desperation ball. Yeah it was a bad decision, the line already broke down by that point. The other interception is one almost everyone agrees was just bad luck and would have happened to anybody.

The line objectively is awful. If you can't acknowledge that, we can't have an honest discussion

I don't watch the games?

You don't even have the correct amount of turnovers.

Mac threw two interceptions and fumbled the ball... that's three turnovers, not two.

An honest discussion begins by having your facts straight.

Mac has sucked... another fact.

Anyone defending him at this point is delusional.

 

[PatsFan2]

You don't run with a 28-3 deficit at the half versus the Cowboys, you don't run with a 21-0 deficit at the half versus the Saints.

Running is only possible when opponents fear the possibility of a pass.

When passing is not an option they load the box with defenders... which is what we're seeing now.

Opponents know Mac is a quivering jellyfish. The run is the only thing they have to defend.

Wozzy I want You to be Head Coach for this Team after BB a voice of reason. The Homers don't get it that Defenses don't fear Mac Jones they know he cannot Beat them. Get a score up and game over we have seen this too many times.

 

[RIpats88]

I'm not sure why acknowledging the roster is garbage = you must think Mac is great.

It's pure delusion to think this OL and these receivers are good.

I'm just stating it's rotten from the core down. Maybe Baker Mayfield is better than Mac Jones.

But are we winning against the cowboys/saints? Or are we losing 25-0 instead of 34-0.

Guys like Aaron Rodgers have missed the playoffs with offense better than this. Herbert/burrow are struggling.

I'm not defending Mac Jones. He's been a problem. But to act like everything else in the roster is perfect and if we replace Mac we are a top team is just pure delusion.

This isn't the Bucs where you had a team with clear tale t in Mike Evans/Godwin. But say "hey if we didn't have a QB who threw 30 picks we could be decent"

There's not a single player on offense you would want to build around and you know it's true.

 

[lancerman]

You don't run with a 28-3 deficit at the half versus the Cowboys, you don't run with a 21-0 deficit at the half versus the Saints.

Running is only possible when opponents fear the possibility of a pass.

When passing is not an option they load the box with defenders... which is what we're seeing now.

Opponents know Mac is a quivering jellyfish. The run is the only thing they have to defend.

And that would be a great explanation... if the running backs were playing well in every game and not just having anomalies in the two blowouts.

The Jets game is the only game they played decent. And not great. Just decent. The other two close games they were mediocre. They are legitimately playing bad when they don't have an excuse.

 

[lancerman]

Wozzy I want You to be Head Coach for this Team after BB a voice of reason. The Homers don't get it that Defenses don't fear Mac Jones they know he cannot Beat them. Get a score up and game over we have seen this too many times.

The irony in this post is making me belly laugh

 

[Keyser Söze]

Ryan Clark, he was the guy in the middle at halftime

Oh well if Ryan Clark said it, it must be gospel lmao. Their offensive line allows the most pressure in the NFL. Don’t let facts get in the way though. They can’t run the ball in any situation so don’t give me the “they stack the box” excuse.

 

[Wozzy]

Wozzy I want You to be Head Coach for this Team after BB a voice of reason. The Homers don't get it that Defenses don't t fear Mac Jones they know he cannot Beat them. Get a score up and game over we have seen this too many times.

The funniest part of this conversation will be that inevitably the coaches will have to play someone else... won't they?

And I'm not even promising Zappe or Grier will be great, but if they can get even competent QB play from anyone, and stop turning the ball over, they can win games.

 

[PatsFan2]

Replace the o-line with a competent one and watch magically how Mac improves.

Oh bwoy the little engine that couldn't that's You and your constant Defense of Mac Jones.

 

[Wozzy]

Oh well if Ryan Clark said it, it must be gospel lmao. Their offensive line allows the most pressure in the NFL. Don’t let facts get in the way though. They can’t run the ball in any situation so don’t give me the “they stack the box” excuse.

Look at who they're playing.... Eagles, Jets, Cowboys, Saints... it's the best defenses in the league.

The only way you run on those defensive fronts is if you can pass and they fear the pass, complementary football.

Mac has melted down, turned into the worst QB in the league... time to fix it by replacing him. That's the only answer.

 

[lancerman]

I don't watch the games?

You don't even have the correct amount of turnovers.

Mac threw two interceptions and fumbled the ball... that's three turnovers, not two.

An honest discussion begins by having your facts straight.

Mac has sucked... another fact.

Anyone defending him at this point is delusional.

In yet here you are defending the worst offensive line in the NFL. Let's be honest, all off season you screamed that the team did a good job building. Now they are ranking horribly in every conceivable category on offense AND special teams. Now you need a scapegoat.

Okay I didn't count the fumble. That's one turnover that is Mac's fault. Do you want to address the other two and tell me how I'm wrong on those.

The fact is you were clearly and objectively wrong by every single measurable metric on how talented this team was. We got in arguments all last summer on this. I don't even think Mac's that good, I didn't want to draft him. I just know he's better than Zappe and he's not the main problem on the team. Anybody who isn't a massive homer, saw this coming a million miles away. We just had to endure you and others screaming at us for being fake fans or whatever.

And now we are back to 2019 when we were scapegoating Brady for not buying in and helping the offense, then Cam, then Stidham, then Mac, then Hoyer, then Zappe. It's weird how you had multiple different QB's floundering here and all of them being unhappy but that's still the main problem lol

 

[Wozzy]

In yet here you are defending the worst offensive line in the NFL. Let's be honest, all off season you screamed that the team did a good job building. Now they are ranking horribly in every conceivable category on offense AND special teams. Now you need a scapegoat.

Okay I didn't count the fumble. That's one turnover that is Mac's fault. Do you want to address the other two and tell me how I'm wrong on those.

The fact is you were clearly and objectively wrong by every single measurable metric on how talented this team was. We got in arguments all last summer on this. I don't even think Mac's that good, I didn't want to draft him. I just know he's better than Zappe and he's not the main problem on the team. Anybody who isn't a massive homer, saw this coming a million miles away. We just had to endure you and others screaming at us for being fake fans or whatever.

And now we are back to 2019 when we were scapegoating Brady for not buying in and helping the offense, then Cam, then Stidham, then Mac, then Hoyer, then Zappe. It's weird how you had multiple different QB's floundering here and all of them being unhappy but that's still the main problem lol

Mac leads the entire NFL in turnovers.... he's #1.

Mac is the problem.

Everything else you wrote is just a lot of words.

 

[lancerman]

I'm not sure why acknowledging the roster is garbage = you must think Mac is great.

It's pure delusion to think this OL and these receivers are good.

I'm just stating it's rotten from the core down. Maybe Baker Mayfield is better than Mac Jones.

But are we winning against the cowboys/saints? Or are we losing 25-0 instead of 34-0.

Guys like Aaron Rodgers have missed the playoffs with offense better than this. Herbert/burrow are struggling.

I'm not defending Mac Jones. He's been a problem. But to act like everything else in the roster is perfect and if we replace Mac we are a top team is just pure delusion.

This isn't the Bucs where you had a team with clear tale t in Mike Evans/Godwin. But say "hey if we didn't have a QB who threw 30 picks we could be decent"

There's not a single player on offense you would want to build around and you know it's true.

Because there is a contingent on this board that are too homerish to just accept a bad team for what it is and how long and how much work it will take to get out of it. So instead we have to deal with people who can't deal with reality looking for a quick fix and the QB is the easiest one. The funniest thing is I wasn't high on drafting Mac, I wasn't slobbering him in 2021 like many of the people I'm arguing with now. But a lot of us saw this coming with how bad this team is and now that we are saying "no take a step back, it's way deeper than the QB" the homers have developed their strawman that people who think the team isn't as bad as it is are just Mac truthers. I don't give a **** about Mac. There's at least 15 QB's I'd take in his place in a heartbeat. But those QB's will still suck here. They'd merely be an upgrade for when the team gets it together and actually builds something worth being called a football team