Mac Jones Through 2 Games (2021 vs 2022 vs 2023) By QTR and Redzone Totals

[Ian]

It is always a gamble. But the value of Mac is low right now. Whether it is his fault or not, I don't see any team giving up a first rounder for him other than maybe the Raiders because teams are in the same boat we are where they have no idea what Mac's ceiling is.

I think Herbert would be better than Mac in this system. Not a swipe at Mac, but I think Herbert is more talent.

But I can see your point, that Mac might have more value and could actually be far better than we know now. But when you have a guy like Herbert, you take the risk.

I wouldn't do it for a Lamar Jackson or DeShaun Watson before we saw what he became and even the legal problems he had just because those guys have a potential short shelf life. Herbert could be playing at a high level into his 40s.

I get what you're saying, but two first-round picks is just a lot. And if they ask Herbert (who I do like) to carry the team with a mix of mid-tier guys (JuJu remains a giant question mark) expecting significantly better results, I just don't know how that would go.

 

[Rob0729]

I get what you're saying, but two first-round picks is just a lot. And if they ask Herbert (who I do like) to carry the team with a mix of mid-tier guys (JuJu remains a giant question mark) expecting significantly better results, I just don't know how that would go.

Considering what Wilson and Watson commanded in trade, two firsts are pretty much the going rate if not much higher. The Seahawks got two firsts and two seconds and a fifth and three players for Wilson and a fourth. The Texans got three firsts, a third, and a fourth. You could argue that Herbert is worth more than either of those guys considering his age and his lack of several dozen sexual assault allegations.

But yes, even Herbert would struggle with the talent around him here. Even an elite QB cannot overcome an offensive line that cannot block and a below average receiving corp. But he might have made those close losses in the first two weeks into wins. But Brady in his prime would still have issues with the talent on this offense. Neither could have Boutte drag his second foot in the Eagles game and other mistakes that were outside of Mac's control in the first three weeks.

 

[Toofy]

But yes, even Herbert would struggle with the talent around him here. Even an elite QB cannot overcome an offensive line that cannot block and a below average receiving corp. But he might have made those close losses in the first two weeks into wins. Neither could have Boutte drag his second foot in the Eagles game and other mistakes that were outside of Mac's control in the first three weeks.

My question is how. First game bob made Mac throw in a game that was raining because offensive line was crap. Hence 2 turnovers. Eagles were not passing much during that phase.

Boutte toe tap miss happens irrespective of QB.

Wide receivers running slow, wrong routes, getting pushed off bounds, dropping easy passes. How is that on QB.

TBH, Mac has improved a lot this year. Did you notice the zing on the pass to Bourne for 17 odd yards. It was fast and the DB/ safety couldn't even react to it ..

 

[sb1]

Mac is better compared to 2022 but he needs to be a lot better than 2021 as well if he is the guy. I'm expecting more.

 

[archstanton543]

It is always a gamble. But the value of Mac is low right now. Whether it is his fault or not, I don't see any team giving up a first rounder for him other than maybe the Raiders because teams are in the same boat we are where they have no idea what Mac's ceiling is.

I think Herbert would be better than Mac in this system. Not a swipe at Mac, but I think Herbert is more talent.

But I can see your point, that Mac might have more value and could actually be far better than we know now. But when you have a guy like Herbert, you take the risk.

I wouldn't do it for a Lamar Jackson or DeShaun Watson before we saw what he became and even the legal problems he had just because those guys have a potential short shelf life. Herbert could be playing at a high level into his 40s.

If the Jets weren't in the division, they give up a first for Mac right now (if they had a first to give up).

 

[Rob0729]

My question is how. First game bob made Mac throw in a game that was raining because offensive line was crap. Hence 2 turnovers. Eagles were not passing much during that phase.

Boutte toe tap miss happens irrespective of QB.

Wide receivers running slow, wrong routes, getting pushed off bounds, dropping easy passes. How is that on QB.

TBH, Mac has improved a lot this year. Did you notice the zing on the pass to Bourne for 17 odd yards. It was fast and the DB/ safety couldn't even react to it ..

There is definite improvements in Mac's game this year. He has been able to stand in the pocket and make throws as defenders come down on him. He has been able to go off script and improvise. There are a lot of things he is doing better.

But he isn't Herbert though. He may never be in the same league. Odds are he won't.

 

[amfootball]

If the Jets weren't in the division, they give up a first for Mac right now (if they had a first to give up).

No they wouldn't.

 

[archstanton543]

No they wouldn't.

Yes they would. Mac is an upgrade over Wilson.

 

[sb1]

Yes they would. Mac is an upgrade over Wilson.

The Pats at least would demand a first rounder minimum from the Jets of all teams. Maybe more. It's the Jete tax.

 

[Ian]

This is interesting, didn't expect his name to be ahead of Brady:

 

[Rob0729]

This is interesting, didn't expect his name to be ahead of Brady:

Makes sense. Despite what some people seem to want to remember, Brady was a bit of a dink and dunk QB early in his career (but I don't mean it as a negative). The Patriots thrived on a short passing game, sometime in leu of a strong running game.

And Drew was the traditional seven step drop, huck the ball down the field on a regular basis.

But also yes, this is far more of a passing league than the early 2000s.

 

[Real fan 02]

The thing that stands out the most to me is how much a difference having an experienced playcaller makes. Look at the 2nd and 4th quarter stats from year one and this year compared to last year. Shows you how well those guys adapt to situations as defenses make changes compared to Patricia. Which obviously wasn't his fault, but it clearly makes an impact based on Jones' passing totals, completion percentage, etc.

He's in better hands this year and performing at a level higher than he was as a rookie overall, which is good to see. But the difference when you compare all three is certainly interesting.

IMO the changes on the O line is the primary reason BOB/Mac couldn't execute plays. Now with some continuous reps with the primary guys the run game came alive against a dam good front 7. I'm expecting this to trend forward.. on Dallas it's said if you run right at #11 you take him out the game.

Hope we can get 4,5 YPC I'd love for zeke to get a win at Jerry world.

 

[h0c2000]

This is interesting, didn't expect his name to be ahead of Brady:

He included the Detroit game in 2000 and the Mo Lewis games in those 37 games. Reaching.

 

[Ian]

He included the Detroit game in 2000 and the Mo Lewis games in those 37 games. Reaching.

Still, two game difference I guess, but regardless, not exactly terrible by Jones. And I was looking at it and Brady was shockingly bad for the early part of 2003.





Similar stats against the Jets. Just funny to see that.

Again, not obviously comparing Brady to Mac because he won a Super Bowl, etc. But just noting that being patient is worth considering for the people who just want Mac gone without a viable replacement currently available.

 

[upstater1]

I get what you're saying, but two first-round picks is just a lot. And if they ask Herbert (who I do like) to carry the team with a mix of mid-tier guys (JuJu remains a giant question mark) expecting significantly better results, I just don't know how that would go.

I love Herbert so I would think that price is exceedingly cheap.

What I like about Herbert is his toughness. He is Grogan but with an arm and accuracy. He's not phased by people swarming him.

That being said, Mac is now outperforming the other 5 QBs in his draft class.

I thought he played really well yesterday, even though I thought he was skittish and cost the Patriots last week. I really hope the Mac we saw yesterday is the one we get this year.

Another thing I noticed: Houston is celebrating the CJ Stroud pick. As someone who watches Ohio State regularly, I would have taken Justin Fields 10 out of 10 times over Stroud. Fields was a much better passer at OSU than Stroud, and a much better runner as well.

What is happening to these 2 QBs shows you what happens when you go to teams that know what to do with a QB and teams that don't. That's the difference.

 

[upstater1]

Even an elite QB cannot overcome an offensive line that cannot block and a below average receiving corp.

The Chargers would trade their O-line for hours straight up. There's is really bad. They've got Zion Johnson and that's it. Slater is a shell of himself now.

 

[sb1]

Zappy would have 10,000 yards by now if they only gave her a chance. I know @Triumph agrees with me and he should.
All aboard the Zappy train! Hoot hoot!

 

[h0c2000]

Still, two game difference I guess, but regardless, not exactly terrible by Jones. And I was looking at it and Brady was shockingly bad for the early part of 2003.





Similar stats against the Jets. Just funny to see that.

Again, not obviously comparing Brady to Mac because he won a Super Bowl, etc. But just noting that being patient is worth considering for the people who just want Mac gone without a viable replacement currently available.

Raw numbers in 2 different eras are dumb to compare. It's disingenuous (not for you, but Giardi) to include mop up duty in a Thanksgiving game blowout and a 4th quarter replacement.

I give Mac a B- for the Jets game.

 

[Triumph]

Zappy would have 10,000 yards by now if they only gave her a chance. I know @Triumph agrees with me and he should.
All aboard the Zappy train! Hoot hoot!

Im busy recruiting for your show.

 

[Ian]

Raw numbers in 2 different eras are dumb to compare. It's disingenuous (not for you, but Giardi) to include mop up duty in a Thanksgiving game blowout and a 4th quarter replacement.

I give Mac a B- for the Jets game.

I doubt that's his stat or his intentions. It's probably one from ESPN Stats and Info or, most likely, out of the league's database (his password probably still works).

Again, doubt he figured it would be that upsetting, considering how close it is. Although, if you want to get technical, Jones missed three games last season and only played a quarter of one of the ones Giardi is counting, so that cancels out one of the ones you mentioned of Brady's, so the gap is still pretty close.