Hopkins Headed to Tennessee

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Who writes these tweets?

 

[denverpatsfan]

Not surprised. When they didn't sign him after his visit, I figured he wouldn't be coming to NE.
Pats are a run first team. No need for a star wide receiver.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Yeah I'm not getting into it because I'll get accused of derailing the thread but the pinnacle of that postseason came on three consecutive 3rd-10's in OT of the AFCCG. And the game-winning drive in the SB was 67 yards passing and 2 yards rushing through a clear path.

A little bit melodramatic but the other two games in that postseason were very reliant on the running game

 

[UGAPatsfan]

No real issue losing out on D Hop….I DO have an issue with an offense devoid of weapons able to separate quickly combined with suspect tackles.

 

[Triumph]

Plenty good? Wow okay.

They can be real good with a QB.

 

[Triumph]

Not surprised. When they didn't sign him after his visit, I figured he wouldn't be coming to NE.
Pats are a run first team. No need for a star wide receiver.

The Pats should have given him a specific time to decide and then the deal was off the table.

Waiting around like desperate chumps isnt a good look for the GOAT HC.

 

[borg]

It is tough to know what your point is since you don't provide one, but this article says states tax players by duty days which begin with the start of the preseason (and not actual games played).

IOW, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts doesn't say "you played 9 games in state and 8 games out of state, so we only tax 9/17ths of your income." Rather, the state says "from the start of the preseason to the final day, you had 160 duty days and spent 150 of them in state, so we tax you on 15/16th of your income."

First off, why are you creating fictitious add-ons to your quote to make your point?

Secondly, I highlighted nonresidents in my post because an athlete has to live in Massachusetts 183 days/year to be considered a resident and taxed as a MASS resident.

Non-resident, any natural person who is not a resident or inhabitant. The term “resident” or “inhabitant” shall mean any natural person domiciled in Massachusetts or any natural person not domiciled in Massachusetts but who maintains a permanent place of abode in Massachusetts and spends in the aggregate more than 183 days of the taxable year in Massachusetts, including days spent partially in and partially out of Massachusetts

Many Patriots players remain residents of other states for various reasons including minimizing their state tax bill.

Duty days are tabulated as part of a formula in order to create a uniform standard when calculating the Jock Tax for their pro athlete residents and visiting pro athletes MASS can't wait to tax.

Note: Massachusetts, like all states, does not double tax and gives tax credits to its pro athlete residents who are subjected to Jock Tax when playing away games in Jock Tax levying states.

 

[lancerman]

A little bit melodramatic but the other two games in that postseason were very reliant on the running game

Ehhh the Chargers game Brady had 44 attempts, threw for 343 yards and had a 106 passer rating. Only 1 TD, but we lit them up in the passing game and then let the RB's punch it in once we were were within 10 yards.

 

[Zuma]

The Pats should have given him a specific time to decide and then the deal was off the table.

How do you know that’s not exactly what happened?

Waiting around like desperate chumps isnt a good look for the GOAT HC.

You mean like all the other teams 31 that do the exact same thing since forever ?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don't mind that they didn't sign Hopkins per say, but I continue to be baffled about their player value system. Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry are worth $12.5M annually. Nelson Algholor is worth $11M. Devante Parker is worth $11M. JuJu Smith-Schuster is worth $11M. In almost all these situations they're bidding against 31 other teams resulting in a spiked player's market which almost always results in overpaying.

Enter DeAndre Hopkins. They happen to have some cap room going into the season and this is why teams keep cap room in case a player like this comes along. Almost no other team can afford to offer him anything. Only two teams in the bidding. His signing price is apparently $13M (16M with incentives.). They're obviously interested enough in him that they want him and think he's still a valuable player. Now is the time to bring out the dollar discipline approach again?

 

[Zuma]

I don't mind that they didn't sign Hopkins per se, but I continue to be baffled about their player value system. Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry are worth $12.5M annually. Nelson Algholor is worth $11M. Devante Parker is worth $11M. JuJu Smith-Schuster is worth $11M. In almost all these situations they're bidding against 31 other teams resulting in a spiked player's market which almost always results in overpaying.

Obviously it’s age and availability

Enter DeAndre Hopkins. They happen to have some cap room going into the season and this is why teams keep cap room in case a player like this comes along. Almost no other team can afford to offer him anything. Only two teams in the bidding. His signing price is apparently $13M (16M with incentives.). They're obviously interested enough in him that they want him and think he's still a valuable player. Now is the time to bring out the dollar discipline approach again?

Bill should have offered more

 

[Triumph]

How do you know that’s not exactly what happened?

Reports are that NE has been in close contact with Hopkins throughout this decision. They were waiting.

You mean like all the other teams 31 that do the exact same thing since forever ?

The Bengals were waiting too? Wow! Just imagine that lineup.

 

[Chevy]

Just curious, could the deciding factor have not been the salary, but rather the big jump with incentives? Especially as to what those incentives actually entail?

 

[Zuma]

Reports are that NE has been in close contact with Hopkins throughout this decision. They were waiting.

Exactly. Take it or leave it by this date. I don’t agree with not offering more but I am sure BB laid down the terms.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Hopkins missed the first 6 games due to suspension. He missed the final two weeks with a knee injury but there was some question about the true seriousness of it.

No question about the WR1 in NE part though.

Yup I was wrong.

 

[TheBeers]

Dhop wound certainly have been the best WR on the team going into camp,, and would have improved the team on the short term at least. But adding him certainly would take snaps away from Thornton, and likely ended the chances either rookie WR from this year make the roster. I really want to see TT develop this year. I still think this is a good WR group, and my gut tells me Super DeMario is gonna be good.

 

[sambam94]

Bill cheaps out again, loses a great WR for a few million. Those counting on Thornton crack me up. That dude with those skinny frail limbs will not last long in this league.

 

[Love The Drake]

Bill cheaps out again, loses a great WR for a few million. Those counting on Thornton crack me up. That dude with those skinny frail limbs will not last long in this league.

Not ready to give up on TT and the potential of Bourne, Demario and Boutte.

I’m a lot more concerned with the O
Line.

 

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[XLIX]

First off, why are you creating fictitious add-ons to your quote to make your point?

There is nothing fictitious about the notion that, according to your own article, states set up their taxes by duty days. You are seemingly trying to establish that a professional football player for the New England Patriots only works 17 days per year but your article clearly establishes that as not being the case.

Secondly, I highlighted nonresidents in my post because an athlete has to live in Massachusetts 183 days/year to be considered a resident and taxed as a MASS resident.

Non-resident, any natural person who is not a resident or inhabitant. The term “resident” or “inhabitant” shall mean any natural person domiciled in Massachusetts or any natural person not domiciled in Massachusetts but who maintains a permanent place of abode in Massachusetts and spends in the aggregate more than 183 days of the taxable year in Massachusetts, including days spent partially in and partially out of Massachusetts

Many Patriots players remain residents of other states for various reasons including minimizing their state tax bill.

I am not disputing out of state residency, so I am not sure why you are arguing that point so vehemently....

Duty days are tabulated as part of a formula in order to create a uniform standard when calculating the Jock Tax for their pro athlete residents and visiting pro athletes MASS can't wait to tax.

Wrong. Just wrong. You obviously didn't even read the article that you used as a reference.

Generally, a state with an income tax will tax the nonresident athlete on duty days spent within the state. Duty days typically begin with the start of official preseason and end when the official season ends. A nonresident athlete would include in income to the taxing state only duty days spent in-state over the total number of duty days. Duty days include game days and practice days