Patriots Among Tops In Drafting 1st team All-Pro Selections

[ahmed]

Devil is in the details. So many are special teamers or did not make it with Pats. However, so many of these were drafted a long ass time ago and a lot of them were relatively higher picks which is expected.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Genuinely surprised. Although as some of his mentioned, special teams making up a significant portion of those is worth qualifiying. Still a credit to Bill that he's good at drafting at those positions. But dtill.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Devil is in the details. So many are special teamers or did not make it wit Pats. However, so so many of these were drafted a long ass time ago and a lot of them were relatively higher picks which is expected.

Yeah this matters. What would you rather have - a pro-bowl receiver that makes 2nd team all-pro like AJ Brown, or a 1st all-pro gunner?

This distinction is important. Belichick is not a bad GM of course but let's not swing and act like he's incredible

 

[Nikolai]

It's a cool list. The only conclusions you could reasonably draw from it are that the Patriots are probably reasonably good at assessing talent in the draft phase.

If you really wanted to dig into this as a point of comparison, you'd have to look at average drafting position against the number of all-pros. You could go even crazier and look at average draft position and rankings on certain "bellweather" stats and weight them appropriately.

My guess, given our draft positions, is that we're likely above average since 2000. Taken in four year increments since then (an arbitrary-ish number, but also the typical rookie contract time frame), I imagine that Pats would swing up and down the rankings with "up periods" coinciding or preceding with better records and likely Super Bowl success.

I just don't have the time these days to do this analysis myself, but if I ran a shop that did such things, this is how I'd ask for the team to analyze it.

 

[Real fan 02]

Interesting Tweet, it appears they're a little better than people give them credit for relative to other teams:

That's pretty impressive... #12 has to be at the top!! I'd imagine of the 17 players..

 

[Real fan 02]

but ... but ... terrible gm ... blah blah blah

He gets alot of flack from the long line of WR bust.. I feel that overshadows how good of a Drafter he's been.. however 17 players.. since 2k.. pretty good..

 

[Pape]

He gets alot of flack from the long line of WR bust.. I feel that overshadows how good of a Drafter he's been.. however 17 players.. since 2k.. pretty good..

he gets a lot of flack because people are lazy and shoot their mouths off without knowing wtf they are talking about.

 

[Real fan 02]

he gets a lot of flack because people are lazy and shoot their mouths off without knowing wtf they are talking about.

Yeah that's how it goes when you win.. what else can haters do but hate. We've won for 2 decades.. will never ever be replicated in any sport ever again! He was behind all that.. he rightly deserves credit!

 

[captain stone]

Interesting Tweet, it appears they're a little better than people give them credit for relative to other teams:

That was Then; this is Now.

 

[Ian]

That was Then; this is Now.

True - but I guess the point is there aren't other teams out there necessarily crushing it either relative to the Patriots. We hear every year about how this or that team had an amazing draft, but none of us follow all the players through their respective careers across the league to see how it all ultimately turns out. Needless to say, it looks like other teams are also not awesome at what's already a not-so-exact science.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Yeah this matters. What would you rather have - a pro-bowl receiver that makes 2nd team all-pro like AJ Brown, or a 1st all-pro gunner?

This distinction is important. Belichick is not a bad GM of course but let's not swing and act like he's incredible

Considering Pats lost 35-23 to the Bills last season giving up 2KR TDs, yeah, I'd say special teams is pretty important.

 

[Real fan 02]

True - but I guess the point is there aren't other teams out there necessarily crushing it either relative to the Patriots. We hear every year about how this or that team had an amazing draft, but none of us follow all the players through their respective careers across the league to see how it all ultimately turns out. Needless to say, it looks like other teams are also not awesome at what's already a not-so-exact science.

Ian,

Honestly early on when 12 left I still felt good because of BB. I was optimistic and really high on our future when Mac was drafted and had a good season!
We need our team to become a contender again.

I'll always credit BB rightfully so for his contributions to the organizations success. As I mentioned the WR misses are so egregious that the successful picks get overshadowed. We know that the organization had #12 to absorb the draft busts offensively because we still were able to win in spite. Now 2011,2012 we had some terrible defenses primarily in the secondary due to the bust of Wheatley, Wilhite, Dowling.. Darius butler..
That later to talib and then later on revis..

Most recently the Williams bust at CB is another one. However BB is still great at his Kraft we just want to see the team improve and instill hope!

 

[Steve102]

 

[borg]

That was Then; this is Now.

BB's current fastball is Wakefield-esque

Note: Joe Pa's fastball once had heat too

 

[BelizePats]

Not accurate. It's much more.

Tom-3
Slater-2
Gronk 4
Sey 3
Wes- 2
Gost- 2
Logan -1
Marcus Jones- 1
Vince -1
Light -1
Mayo -1
Bailey -1
Asante -1

Gunner is another but was a UFA -1

Thats 24.

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New England Patriots All-Pros and Pro Bowlers

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And did this drafting largely at the bottom of each round.

 

[1960Pats]

I think this more or less tells us that the rest of the teams around the league don't exactly have it down to a perfect science, either.

Nobody has the draft down to a science, even the Pats. What the Pats usually have that I like a lot is more picks. More picks gives the team more chances in what we all can see is a hit or miss situation.

 

[1960Pats]

Does it matter?

Thuney was here for several years and won 2 Super Bowls while playing at the same level that he achieved All-Pro status for another team. He developed here. His drafting and development should certainly count toward the Patriot total.

If a player is highly ranked what good does it do to see him flourish on another team instead of the Pats, especially if they got nothing in return?

And if the Pats are so great at developing players why do they draft and pick up so many players who never play a down in the NYFL? And why have they had so few QBs drafted that became successful? Or WRs? Let me tell you why. It's about talent, not coaching. Always has been and always will be.

I think the infatuation with coaching goes back to something that was said years ago by Bum Phillips. He can take his'n and beat your'n, then he can take your'n and beat his'n. That sounds great but the facts don't back it up. Coaches win with better players, not schemes that have been around for over a century.

 

[1960Pats]

Interesting Tweet, it appears they're a little better than people give them credit for relative to other teams:

I remembered that I've been tracking the AFCE drats since 2000. I think my numbers are fairly accurate though I haven't gone over them lately.

Team - Players Drafted - Still on Team - On other teams - Out of NYFL
Pats - 194 - 42 - 30 - 122
Bills - 176 - 32 - 21 - 123
Fins - 168 - 34 - 26 - 108
Jets - 157 - 33 - 17 - 107

This goes to the point I was making earlier. Since the draft is a crap shoot I like more picks. Apparently so does Bill.

 

[upstater1]

If a player is highly ranked what good does it do to see him flourish on another team instead of the Pats, especially if they got nothing in return?

And if the Pats are so great at developing players why do they draft and pick up so many players who never play a down in the NYFL? And why have they had so few QBs drafted that became successful? Or WRs? Let me tell you why. It's about talent, not coaching. Always has been and always will be.

I think the infatuation with coaching goes back to something that was said years ago by Bum Phillips. He can take his'n and beat your'n, then he can take your'n and beat his'n. That sounds great but the facts don't back it up. Coaches win with better players, not schemes that have been around for over a century.

Joe Thuney gave this team 4 great years at the same caliber of play he's giving the Chiefs. He developed here, played well here, went to 3 Super Bowls.

Every team picks a lot of players that don't make the NFL. Every team. The Patriots appear to be very successful at producing All-Pro players than any other team.

As for WR, they used exactly ONE pick in the top 3 rounds over a decade prior to N'Keal Harry. ONE PICK. This is the major reason they don't get WRs. You can't get them if you don't pick them.

 

[Real fan 02]

If a player is highly ranked what good does it do to see him flourish on another team instead of the Pats, especially if they got nothing in return?

And if the Pats are so great at developing players why do they draft and pick up so many players who never play a down in the NYFL? And why have they had so few QBs drafted that became successful? Or WRs? Let me tell you why. It's about talent, not coaching. Always has been and always will be.

I think the infatuation with coaching goes back to something that was said years ago by Bum Phillips. He can take his'n and beat your'n, then he can take your'n and beat his'n. That sounds great but the facts don't back it up. Coaches win with better players, not schemes that have been around for over a century.

Factual!! , BB said himself players win the games coaches loose them..