It’s official Rogers traded to the Jets !

[Ross12]

Drinking the Patriot kool-aid lately? Well the glass is half full. I hope you are correct!

Wouldn't say it's drinking any kinda kool-aid. I mean let's be realistic. It's not like Miami and the Jete suddenly turned into the Chiefs. New England finished with around the same record as both teams (plus or minus one game of each) in 2022. Miami hasn't done much and has major question marks this year with health. The Jete add a QB but that comes with its own question marks. New England is making and will continue to make improvements of their own. Have a hard time seeing how New England is far below these two teams. Buffalo is above them but seems likely to backslide a bit this season.

 

[Triumph]

2021 we were trending in the right direction, 2022 that got rerouted..

The Pats are the new Jets.

They coukd be drafting another QB next year.

 

[Bill Lee]

It’s a ton to give up but the Jets have a playoff window now.
We are waiting to see if Mac sees his shadow and runs back to the bench.

That's all they have, a window. Some how they have to find cap space for a 39 year old guy making $60M. That means pushing a lot of money out into the future, and not signing or releasing other players. Then, win or lose, they have a cap reckoning coming, much like our Cam Newton season, or Tampa's 2023 season where they have Baker Mayfield or Kyle Trask on their roster as QBs, both dead ends. The young talent will want to get PAID with big dollar deals and there won't be money for all of them so they'll lose a lot of talent. Then the lack of draft capital will really hurt since there will be no way to add cheap talent. All this basically for the owner to get a splash on the back page of the tabloids.

He's a year removed from back to back MVP's. Even if he's 80% of what he typically, it's a bigger move than the Jets could make with any draft pick. People overvalue the **** out of draft picks. They dropped 2 spots in the first. That's negligible. A first and a second or two seconds is fine compensation for Rodgers.

People also overrate a 39 year old player they have to pay $60M a season to. That 2nd MVP season was the COVID season so has a big asterisk after it, especially considering how Rodgers became a distraction that season. Then, last season we have the unexplainable loss to the Lions to finish 8-9 and miss the playoffs.

If he was the Rodgers of 2-3 years ago and if draft capital is overrated, then GB would have just kept him. They didn't.

And for the Jete fans: You ain't getting getting 2020 Tom Brady; you're getting a dude who just plain Sucked at the end of 2022. I watched his final game on the Love Boat with a bunch of Cheese-Heads on one side of the theater and everyone else on the other side; what a Disgraceful effort that was, with a PO spot on the line and everything... You can have him, but you're just delaying the Inevitable.

Agree.

That because I took care of her.

Hope you didn't mind the sloppy seconds.

 

[All3Phases]

Says the guy who has no idea about the game or about the salary cap..

Rodgers only cares about himself and getting himself another MVP.

The more you say it, the more you cope. I do know since Brady left, the patriots are mediocre. The coach is still the same, right?

 

[PatsFan2]

All these news articles about how the Patriots are the worst in the division (I saw one that said they're "the doormats of the AFC East") will be really great locker room material for Bill all season long. They love the "nobody believes in us" card. What's funny is that I don't think they're really so much worse, or necessarily even worse at all.

- The Bills are clearly declining and it feels like Diggs is on track for some kind of drama. They barely beat the Dolphins with their 3rd string QB and then got smoked by Cincinnati. How good are they really?
- The Jets got Rodgers, but he didn't look that great last year and is another year older. He was "90% retired" this offseason. They need to make cuts just to absorb his salary and their OL isn't great. Their defense is solid but how much better are they overall than the sub.-500 team last year just because they added an old Rodgers?
- The Dolphins were hot to start the year but then spiraled down. Tua's health is a massive question mark and I wonder if McDaniel's coaching flavor is going to wear out in year 2. They did put up a good fight against Buffalo in the wild card, but I wonder what that's worth. The Patriots also put up a good fight against Buffalo a week prior when the Bills were riding their Damar Hamlin emotional high and may have won that game if not for some kickoff blunders.

I don't see how the Bills or Dolphins have gotten demonstrably better. The Jets do improve at QB, but at what cost? Meanwhile, New England's coaching revamp and hopefully improved line play will pay dividends on offense, and they've brought back almost their entire defense which was very solid last season. I don't have reason to believe today that the Patriots are necessarily BETTER than any of these teams, but I wouldn't be shocked if they're all pretty tight halfway into the year, or if one severely underachieves and it's not NE.

Sorry Ross love your optimism but not with that Schedule and unanswered questions on this roster.

 

[Real fan 02]

The Pats are the new Jets.

They coukd be drafting another QB next year.

Or looking for a new GM

 

[203Pat]

All these news articles about how the Patriots are the worst in the division (I saw one that said they're "the doormats of the AFC East") will be really great locker room material for Bill all season long. They love the "nobody believes in us" card. What's funny is that I don't think they're really so much worse, or necessarily even worse at all.

- The Bills are clearly declining and it feels like Diggs is on track for some kind of drama. They barely beat the Dolphins with their 3rd string QB and then got smoked by Cincinnati. How good are they really?
- The Jets got Rodgers, but he didn't look that great last year and is another year older. He was "90% retired" this offseason. They need to make cuts just to absorb his salary and their OL isn't great. Their defense is solid but how much better are they overall than the sub.-500 team last year just because they added an old Rodgers?
- The Dolphins were hot to start the year but then spiraled down. Tua's health is a massive question mark and I wonder if McDaniel's coaching flavor is going to wear out in year 2. They did put up a good fight against Buffalo in the wild card, but I wonder what that's worth. The Patriots also put up a good fight against Buffalo a week prior when the Bills were riding their Damar Hamlin emotional high and may have won that game if not for some kickoff blunders.

I don't see how the Bills or Dolphins have gotten demonstrably better. The Jets do improve at QB, but at what cost? Meanwhile, New England's coaching revamp and hopefully improved line play will pay dividends on offense, and they've brought back almost their entire defense which was very solid last season. I don't have reason to believe today that the Patriots are necessarily BETTER than any of these teams, but I wouldn't be shocked if they're all pretty tight halfway into the year, or if one severely underachieves and it's not NE.

Lol my goodness this post is really something. The whole "Team A beat team B which lost to Team C which means they're bad!" argument is one of the worst arguments in sports.

The Bills are "clearly declining"? The Bills will be right back in the mix for the AFCCG as long as Josh Allen stays healthy and I would be shocked if they don't trade for/draft an offensive weapon to compliment Diggs.

I am fully on record saying that Rodgers to the Jets has a solid chance of imploding spectacularly. They also don't really need to do anything cap-wise outside of having an owner willing to pay real dollars. The cap is crap and this fanbase has been brainwashed into thinking the cap is this resolute uncompromising beast that will get you if you don't keep it at bay. Here you go. $44 million in cap space and Rodgers has been a Jet for about 30 seconds.



Lol why would McDaniel's "coaching flavor" wear out? He is an offensive mastermind with lots of pieces on offense to play with and I don’t think we have beat the Dolphins in any game Tua started in. The Dolphins have a good roster and made some depth moves to solidify it so it seems the season hinges on whether or not Tua can stay on the field. That is definitely a big "if" but either way their roster is significantly better than ours in most spots.

The Bills and Dolphins didn't get "demonstrably better" but they were already significantly better than us and we did really nothing to get better other than hiring an offensive coach to call offensive plays which the fanbase seems to view as a groundbreaking move. The Jets, on paper, improved. I mean even if Rodgers has average numbers it will be lightyears better than anything they got from Zach Wilson and it isn't like we dominated the Jets last year. By no means do I think we are a doormat on any of that hyperbole but your post is just drowning in Patriots Kool Aid. On paper we are the 4th place team in the division. Will we finish in 4th place? I don't necessarily think so but it isn't that far fetched of a thought.

 

[doesntmatter1]

I honestly think this is good for us. I feel that BB mailed it in last season and now that he is staring a potential 4th place ranking will force him to do the job we KNOW he is capable of doing. Plus the NY drama will be entertaining. I'd like to see Rodgers try to tell the NY media to relax lol.

 

[Real fan 02]

Sorry Ross love your optimism but not with that Schedule and unanswered questions on this roster.

I hear ya brother.. but Ross does makes some valid points. I read and analyzed what he was saying.. also to your point I also hear you.. the schedule is very tough..

 

[Ross12]

On paper we are the 4th place team in the division. Will we finish in 4th place? I don't necessarily think so but it isn't that far fetched of a thought.

I don't know why you typed such a long argument just to end your post at roughly the same point that I was making. All I'm saying is that I don't think the Patriots are guaranteed to be losers destined for a last place finish and that the other teams aren't all clearly far-and-away better. You're basically saying the same thing here.

 

[203Pat]

I don't know why you typed such a long argument just to end your post at roughly the same point that I was making. All I'm saying is that I don't think the Patriots are guaranteed to be losers destined for a last place finish and that the other teams aren't all clearly far-and-away better. You're basically saying the same thing here.

My argument is that we could be better not everyone else in the division didn't improve enough or will get worse. Even if we finish third in the division and go 8-9 again does that make anyone happy? Another 8 wins and Bill should be out the door first thing on black Monday.

 

[PatsFan2]

All these news articles about how the Patriots are the worst in the division (I saw one that said they're "the doormats of the AFC East") will be really great locker room material for Bill all season long. They love the "nobody believes in us" card. What's funny is that I don't think they're really so much worse, or necessarily even worse at all.

- The Bills are clearly declining and it feels like Diggs is on track for some kind of drama. They barely beat the Dolphins with their 3rd string QB and then got smoked by Cincinnati. How good are they really?
- The Jets got Rodgers, but he didn't look that great last year and is another year older. He was "90% retired" this offseason. They need to make cuts just to absorb his salary and their OL isn't great. Their defense is solid but how much better are they overall than the sub.-500 team last year just because they added an old Rodgers?
- The Dolphins were hot to start the year but then spiraled down. Tua's health is a massive question mark and I wonder if McDaniel's coaching flavor is going to wear out in year 2. They did put up a good fight against Buffalo in the wild card, but I wonder what that's worth. The Patriots also put up a good fight against Buffalo a week prior when the Bills were riding their Damar Hamlin emotional high and may have won that game if not for some kickoff blunders.

I don't see how the Bills or Dolphins have gotten demonstrably better. The Jets do improve at QB, but at what cost? Meanwhile, New England's coaching revamp and hopefully improved line play will pay dividends on offense, and they've brought back almost their entire defense which was very solid last season. I don't have reason to believe today that the Patriots are necessarily BETTER than any of these teams, but I wouldn't be shocked if they're all pretty tight halfway into the year, or if one severely underachieves and it's not NE.

Ok and what if all three Teams have good Drafts? Wouldn't that put us further behind hmmmm?

 

[PatsFan2]

My argument is that we could be better not everyone else in the division didn't improve enough or will get worse. Even if we finish third in the division and go 8-9 again does that make anyone happy? Another 8 wins and Bill should be out the door first thing on black Monday.

Even the Homer in me don't see Eight wins for the Patriots with that daunting schedule. Colts - Saints - Commanders maybe Steelers and hope for Injuries for the other Teams.

 

[All3Phases]

Even the Homer in me don't see Eight wins for the Patriots with that daunting schedule. Colts - Saints - Commanders maybe Steelers and hope for Injuries for the other Teams.

I do think you underestimate the stupidity of other teams, they have a tough schedule, but they’ll win 8-10 games imo

 

[PP2]

Hallelujah!

Let the drama begin!

 

[borisman]

Pats about to finish last in the division unless Tua is concussed by October

who are the QBs in next years draft?

Did you look at their schedule? It's a 8 or 9 win schedule, about same as the Pats but we have a better coach so there's that.

 

[PatsFan2]

I do think you underestimate the stupidity of other teams, they have a tough schedule, but they’ll win 8-10 games imo

Is this the first time a Third place Team is hosting the SB Champs and runner up?? I know anything can happen but that's still very Tough.

Patriots set 2023 opponents

With the conclusion of their 2022 season, the Patriots 2023 slate of opponents has been set.

www.patriots.com

 

[Scotty]

Yes, Rodgers is a very experienced QB but I am not 100% convinced that he will gel all that fast with his new team....time will tell.

 

[All3Phases]

Is this the first time a Third place Team is hosting the SB Champs and runner up?? I know anything can happen but that's still very Tough.

Patriots set 2023 opponents

With the conclusion of their 2022 season, the Patriots 2023 slate of opponents has been set.

www.patriots.com

Definitely a tough schedule on paper, I also wouldn’t be shocked if they end up playing 8 backup qbs again. Tough to know until the game is a week away

 

[mike_usagisan]

Interesting suggestion that the Packers wanted pick #13 to get a better shot at a WR:

Report: Packers traded ahead of Patriots to get shot at WR prospect

The New England Patriots could have more competition in front of them when it comes to adding a top receiver prospect on the first night of the 2023 NFL draft on Thursday. Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline posted on social media that he had heard from multiple people…

patriotswire.usatoday.com

Frankly, I hope this means a blue chip OT falls to us.