BOB 'Completely Reworking' Pats Offense

[ralmat55]

Slight pivot but still relevant…I’ve been pretty ambivalent about Mac even though I fully hold BB accountable for disaster on offense last year.

Realized why yesterday….I can’t get the image of him CRYING after that high ankle sprain out of my head, coupled with Bama fans I know telling me he was physically and mentally soft.

It rubbed me wrong.

I’m biased toward tough players.

That’s what Brady was.

Even Bledsoe.

I’m hoping it’s just youth with Mac but I need more grit from him.

What an idiotic take and post! An internet tough guy who’s likely as soft as a chocolate bar left in the sun, but who feels the need to compensate by questioning the toughness of others.

You just don’t like Jones, but, unlike other posters who can actually articulate a real reason why, you focus on a guy showing pain moments after a 6’6” 320 man’s full weight fell on his lower leg as your reason.

 

[Wozzy]

Mac has some image makeover that needs to happen. Cleating and tripping defenders after throwing an interception won’t play well in his own locker room, nor will pouting and screaming on the sideline. Especially not when Zappe was quiet calculating and just went about his job and did it better.

Mac has to prove it to the fans, he has to prove it to the coaches and he has to prove it in his own locker room first. If they have doubts, then there’s no improving as a team. He has to toughen up, I wasn’t even talking about the ankle injury.

 

[Tunescribe]

It’s great to have that opinion, but they also pointed out that his offenses have been mediocre, which is factual.

I cited objective facts as basis for an optimistic opinion. If you want to cherry pick reasons from BOB's past suggesting he was a poor choice or doomed to failure, enjoy the negativity. That would be your choice. There is just as much in his background (likely more) portending a successful upcoming OC stint vs. mediocrity. Naturally, much will depend on the players he's given to work with.

 

[Triumph]

Both Rex and Buddy Ryan were excellent DCs and mediocre head coaches. Were they a product of Brady and Belichick too? Cam Cameron was the OC of one of the best offenses of the early 2000s (Chargers) and washed out as the head coach of the Dolphins after one 1-15 season. Was he a product of Brady and Belichick too? Marty Mornhinweg and Mike Tice were also great OCs who were awful head coaches.

Stop it. Some great coordinators turned out to be mediocre head coaches. That is because it is a different skill set between the positions.

Who are the QBs whose careers were resurrected by BOB?

I have the answer. NOBODY

Can BOB fix Corky Macs weak arm? NO
You people think that some magical plays are going transform the Pats into a juggernaut again. Corky is going to need a psychiatrist after BOB rips him for being a knucklehead.

 

[rochrist]

But would you say the point about BOB is fair? He hasn’t been Shanahan or Mcvay for example where they’ve had instant success implementing their system. BOB is a good professional offensive coach but his offenses have been basically mediocre his entire coaching career (without Brady).

McVay is the very definition of overrated.

 

[Tunescribe]

Who are the QBs whose careers were resurrected by BOB?

I have the answer. NOBODY

Can BOB fix Corky Macs weak arm? NO
You people think that some magical plays are going transform the Pats into a juggernaut again. Corky is going to need a psychiatrist after BOB rips him for being a knucklehead.

 

[All3Phases]

McVay is the very definition of overrated.

Maybe, tough to deny the impact he’s had on the league and on the teams he’s coached

 

[captain stone]

The offense will obviously be better than last year

The question is about the ceiling

And as others have said, a lot of that depends on the players... coaching can only do much of the players aren't up to snuff.

But it's safe to say the offense will be better than last year.

The bolded fify, as you mentioned earlier, is the only thing that's really safe to say, as of now... Let's hope we get some help in the draft at Left Tackle & WR; then we'll really be moving towards Solid...

 

[Bill Lee]

Completely revamping the offense? Does that include the plays where the receivers run into each other?

Despite the undying love for Cam Newton, I hope the 'throw the ball into the ground' play is no longer in the playbook.

 

[All3Phases]

I cited objective facts as basis for an optimistic opinion. If you want to cherry pick reasons from BOB's past suggesting he was a poor choice or doomed to failure, enjoy the negativity. That would be your choice. There is just as much in his background (likely more) portending a successful upcoming OC stint vs. mediocrity. Naturally, much will depend on the players he's given to work with.

Which facts did you cite? I think most are in agreement that he was the right hire, but I think it’s ok for people to point out he might not be the hero everybody is hoping for. He’s a professional, anything will be an improvement on last years disaster

 

[captain stone]

I hate that photo. It’s been bothering me for a while. I have an issue with Mac if he is soft. However the more I think about it…I think a large part of that emotional breakdown was Mac feeling he’s letting his team down by not playing and also letting himself down. I believe the competitor in him got the best of him. Sure the injury hurt but IMO it was just as much as letting the team down as much as it hurt.

I have no doubt at all that the lil' dude was hurting, bad... Which makes Billy's decision to start him vs da Bears - and the two following weeks - all the more Unforgivable.

 

[Tunescribe]

Which facts did you cite?

Huh? Re-read the post.

I think most are in agreement that he was the right hire, but I think it’s ok for people to point out he might not be the hero everybody is hoping for. He’s a professional, anything will be an improvement on last years disaster

I haven't seen anyone forecasting heroism from the man.

 

[All3Phases]

What would be fair and factual is offering context.

Obie was a head coach in Houston, not just an offensive coordinator, not a quarterback. He was responsible for the entire team, not just the offense. He inherited a two win team and General Manager Rick Smith, the quarterbacks his GM saddled him with... year one Ryan Fitzpatrick, year two Brian Hoyer, year three Brock Osweiller, until finally in year four rookie Deshaun Watson. By year five he got Rick Smith fired and he built some semblance of an offensive line, the next two seasons they had an offense that hovered around tenth best went 11-5 then 10-6 and made the playoffs.

Yes, that is the context…mediocre quarterbacking didn’t help him, until Watson…and they have what in New England?

The Obie coached Patriot offense in 2010 led the entire NFL in points, yards and the team went 14-2... another in 2011 got them to a Super Bowl, all three were top five in scoring.

Yes, Most offenses led by Brady have been great regardless of who coached them

It wasn't just Brady making Patriot's offenses superior for two decades. It was Brady, good coaching, a good/great offensive line, power run game, solid weapons, special teams and defense which gave them favorable starting field position and plenty of opportunities by getting them the ball back.

Agree, doesn’t seem relevant to the topic

When you peddle in hero worship, you ignore all the facets required to accurately and logically discuss football. This is why people roll their eyes at you Brady zealots.

Quarterbacks are pretty vital to offensive success, you basically acknowledged that in your first post without even knowing it

 

[All3Phases]

Huh? Re-read the post.

Was it that him and Mac crossed paths for an extremely short period of time?

I haven't seen anyone forecasting heroism from the man.

 

[Sect140]

What an idiotic take and post! An internet tough guy who’s likely as soft as a chocolate bar left in the sun, but who feels the need to compensate by questioning the toughness of others.

You just don’t like Jones, but, unlike other posters who can actually articulate a real reason why, you focus on a guy showing pain moments after a 6’6” 320 man’s full weight fell on his lower leg as your reason.

I like Mac and I think he will have a really good season but it wasn’t a good look. As someone mentioned he has some work to do on and off the field and I think he will, I like how he is at the stadium everyday most likely spending a lot of time with BOB.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

you focus on a guy showing pain moments after a 6’6” 320 man’s full weight fell on his lower leg as your reason.

High ankle sprains happen a lot in football. It is a contact sport. Can't say I remember anyone crying like that. It was a spectacle. I am a Mac supporter but a little more maturity on the field would do him some good.

 

[Tunescribe]

Was it that him and Mac crossed paths for an extremely short period of time?

I don't know if you are just playing games or slow on the uptake. Either way, it's getting irritating. Below is the post with facts bolded. Now go pester someone else.

I believe BOB is a solid OC with ample experience including invaluable institutional knowledge of the New England Patriots. He also has worked with and knows Mac Jones. That makes him likely the best hire possible for this team ca. 2023.

 

[Wozzy]

Yes, that is the context…mediocre quarterbacking didn’t help him, until Watson…and they have what in New England?

Bad offensive lines hurt both him and Watson, bad to average defenses hurt them both as well. Nobody can win with “bad.” Not Obie, not Watson, not Brady.

Deshaun Watson was the best QB in the league in 2020 and won 4 games.

Nobody knows what Mac and Zappe will produce in a well run offense, we’ll find out this season. You’re just pretending to know.

Yes, Most offenses led by Brady have been great regardless of who coached them

2002, 2006, 2019… some were better than others. Most teams around Brady were good to great, his peers played on some real dogs.

Agree, doesn’t seem relevant to the topic

Pointing out how QB’s are reliant on the team around them as much as the coach never seems relevant to you.

Quarterbacks are pretty vital to offensive success, you basically acknowledged that in your first post without even knowing it

His entire team was poor early in his Texans tenure, usually the case when you take over a 2 win team. Coaches are vital to improving the overall team… unless you believe in magical unicorns.

 

[All3Phases]

I don't know if you are just playing games or slow on the uptake. Either way, it's getting irritating. Below is the post with facts bolded. Now go pester someone else.

I believe BOB is a solid OC with ample experience including invaluable institutional knowledge of the New England Patriots. He also has worked with and knows Mac Jones. That makes him likely the best hire possible for this team ca. 2023.

Oh you just meant his actual experience, and not his results in during that experience, which are mixed. Good to know

 

[All3Phases]

Bad offensive lines hurt both him and Watson, bad to average defenses hurt them both as well. Nobody can win with “bad.” Not Obie, not Watson, not Brady.

He had mostly great defenses during his tenure in Houston…they were just a mediocre offensive team, large part due to the mediocre quarterbacking along with other things.

Deshaun Watson was the best QB in the league in 2020 and won 4 games.

Nobody knows what Mac and Zappe will produce in a well run offense, we’ll find out this season. You’re just pretending to know.

But we do know that at least Mac has shown us nothing beyond mediocrity as of now, correct? They could both be Brady, who knows…are you willing to base your predictions on them being better then anything they’ve shown us?

2002, 2006, 2019… some were better than others. Most teams around Brady were good to great, his peers played on some real dogs.

I think If you did some analysis on the patriots from 2001-2019, you’d probably find they were one of the best offensive teams in the league for an overwhelming majority of that. Regardless of who was coaching them

Pointing out how QB’s are reliant on the team around them as much as the coach never seems relevant to you.

I think coaching does matter, the coach unfortunately doesn’t touch the ball every play, whether you want to believe it or not.

His entire team was poor early in his Texans tenure, usually the case when you take over a 2 win team. Coaches are vital to improving the overall team… unless you believe in magical unicorns.

They did have great defenses, but he also had 6 years, and the offense was mostly mediocre every year. The Rams won 4 games in 2016 and had the worst offense in the league, year 1 under Mcvay they won 11 games and had one of the best few offenses in the league instantly for reference.

And I will repeat again, I like and get the hire, he’s a professional, which is bounds better than what they had last year.