NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION Official 2023 Free Agency Thread

[Patsgofor4]

This board, one year ago: “I can’t believe that Bill traded one of the best OGs in the league for a 5th round pick. Waaaaaaaaaaah!”

 

[Ring 6]

My answer to your question is YES. He'd be even more productive because teams are going to double Adams and even Waller before they send extra attention to him. He's going to be open constantly, and McDaniels wants his QBs going to the open guy. I tend to think it's TOUGHER getting balls if you're the #1 best guy out there because of the attention you draw.

So everything we have always seen in the nfl where the best receiver gets the most targets is all BS and now suddenly no one wants to throw to their best players and just want to use them as decoys to throw the the 4th best guy?
Did this change occur last night?

 

[Keyser Söze]

I’d imagine something big is in the works. Unless they decide to **** over Mac again.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Lol

 

[Rob0729]

My answer to your question is YES. He'd be even more productive because teams are going to double Adams and even Waller before they send extra attention to him. He's going to be open constantly, and McDaniels wants his QBs going to the open guy. I tend to think it's TOUGHER getting balls if you're the #1 best guy out there because of the attention you draw.

I think you are kidding yourself. No WR who has played opposite Adams have ever gotten more than 690 yards. Meyers had 96 targets last year, 126 targets in 2021, and 81 targets in 2020. A #2 or #3 receiver rarely if ever gets that many targets (at least Meyers' 2021 and 2022 targets) unless they have an elite WR throwing to them. And even then, it is rare.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Lol

Where are my happy little trees???!!!

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

This board, one year ago: “I can’t believe that Bill traded one of the best OGs in the league for a 5th round pick. Waaaaaaaaaaah!”

They traded him because of cap reasons, this always leads to a bad negotiation standpoint

Do you really think the Return in draft picks reflects the value of a player ?
I guess amari cooper is as good as a 5th round wide receiver then

 

[upstater1]

I think you are kidding yourself. No WR who has played opposite Adams have ever gotten more than 690 yards. Meyers had 96 targets last year, 126 targets in 2021, and 81 targets in 2020. A #2 or #3 receiver rarely if ever gets that many targets (at least Meyers' 2021 and 2022 targets) unless they have an elite WR throwing to them. And even then, it is rare.

???

He played with Randall Cobb who got 1250+ and 800+ before he got hurt in the 4th year they played together.

After Cobb left, his #2 was Valdez-Scantling, who is NOT the WR that Meyers is.

 

[notex]

I actually really enjoy reading through these threads on day 1-2 of FA every year and watching everyone’s heads explode

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

 

[Patsgofor4]

Hi there, I seem to have messed this up a

Where are my happy little trees???!!!

Cody Davis and Cardona would definitely be happy little trees in the painting that is the 2023 free agency period.

 

[Rob0729]

???

He played with Randall Cobb who got 1250+ and 800+ before he got hurt in the 4th year they played together.

After Cobb left, his #2 was Valdez-Scantling, who is NOT the WR that Meyers is.

I meant when Adams was a true elite #1 WR which started in 2018. That was the first year that Adams had over a thousand yards receiving. The year Cobb got over 1250 yards was Adams rookie season where Adams only got 38 receptions for 446 yards and 3 TDs. That year Adams wasn't drawing any special coverage.

 

[Patsgofor4]

They traded him because of cap reasons, this always leads to a bad negotiation standpoint

Do you really think the Return in draft picks reflects the value of a player ?
I guess amari cooper is as good as a 5th round wide receiver then

Just like Bill did one year ago, as many of us were trying to explain to the ***** and moan gang at the time. You obviously missed the point of my post.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

They traded him because of cap reasons, this always leads to a bad negotiation standpoint

Do you really think the Return in draft picks reflects the value of a player ?
I guess amari cooper is as good as a 5th round wide receiver then

Who is “they traded him,” the Patriots or the Bucs? it’s both. His point (or my point, as I hit like on his post) is that folks were up in arms about the 5th round compensation last year, yet that’s what the Bucs got (a bit less since he’s older) this year. Folks were wrong about this last year, it’s clear the Patriots got market value for him just like the Bucs did. We’ll see how long it takes for those posters to admit they were wrong.

 

[upstater1]

I meant when Adams was a true elite #1 WR which started in 2018. That was the first year that Adams had over a thousand yards receiving. The year Cobb got over 1250 yards was Adams rookie season where Adams only got 38 receptions for 446 yards and 3 TDs. That year Adams wasn't drawing any special coverage.

If we're looking at later Adams, then, his sidekick was Valdes-Scantling. A guy who has been underwhelming his whole career. Even in KC where there was no true #1 WR opposite him, he caught 40 balls.

 

[upstater1]

Who is “they traded him,” the Patriots or the Bucs? it’s both. His point (or my point, as I hit like on his post) is that folks were up in arms about the 5th round compensation last year, yet that’s what the Bucs got (a bit less since he’s older) this year. Folks were wrong about this last year, it’s clear the Patriots got market value for him just like the Bucs did. We’ll see how long it takes for those posters to admit they were wrong.

Also, they replaced Mason with Onwenu, who was a better player.

Neither Mason or Onwenu were ever going to play LG.

If people want to criticize the Strange pick, they have to rewind to letting Thuney go, but the truth is Thuney left the year the Patriots decided to take all the dead cap money and count it. It was a rebuilding decision. Bad, good, that's up for debate.

We have so much money now that in retrospect, keeping Thuney mightve been a good idea.

At this point the Patriots might be forced to cut huge deals with Onwenu, Dugger and Uche just to spend the money they have and not lose 3 key players of the future.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Who is “they traded him,” the Patriots or the Bucs? it’s both. His point (or my point, as I hit like on his post) is that folks were up in arms about the 5th round compensation last year,

i thought most were upset to see a very good guard here leave for this kind of compensation just to see a first rd pick used for a G
If you look at this, it's not good looking, if we are being honest.

yet that’s what the Bucs got (a bit less since he’s older) this year. Folks were wrong about this last year, it’s clear the Patriots got market value for him just like the Bucs did.

i don't know if we can say market value, since the draft pick return was mainly determined by the cap hit the texans are taking over from the bucs. I think they would have released him anyway so the return is ok for them. For us it was unneccessary since we were not in such cap issues if i remember correctly, and the o-line was a strength.

We’ll see how long it takes for those posters to admit they were wrong.

 

[slash83]

Jets closing in on Lazard according to Schefter, will then turn their attention to Cobb.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Jets closing in on Lazard according to Schefter, will then turn their attention to Cobb.

Player acquisition via blackmail. Please Baby Jesus, let this ultimately backfire in a spectacular manner.

 

[upstater1]

i thought most were upset to see a very good guard here leave for this kind of compensation just to see a first rd pick used for a G
If you look at this, it's not good looking, if we are being honest.

This is an apples to oranges comparison.

Onwenu was a disaster at LG. He was never going to play LG.

Not all the OL spots are interchangeable. I've long realized that what we did with Strange at the LG spot has absolutely nothing to do with the swap of Onwenu and Mason.