Inside the most dysfunctional Pats season under BB

[Zuma]

Judge is toxic.

Apparently. Matt is just a bad OC but Judge is a douche.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

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A lot of it was hubris

And the worst thing is that he would have gotten away with it if they snuck into the playoffs.

I thought it was always the meddling kids...

 

[RobertWeathers]

They said multiple sources. Probably a number of players and some staff

I bet Troy Brown was one.

 

[Boomer B]

Joe Judge leaving 1 Patriot Place.

 

[venecol]

It makes sense for them to wait until the season is over for various reasons:

1) to get the full story. This article encompasses the whole season.

2) some sources were more likely to talk once the season was over. They obviously used multiple sources on this and may have had to wait on some

Whether this article was released 3 months ago or today shouldn’t take the focus off what the article is about.

It's more credible today. Had it been released during the season, half the board would've dismissed it as click-bait.

 

[jimnance]

What Bill Belichick from 4+ years ago would say about Bill Belichick's 2022
performance:
Unacceptable. With plenty of f's thrown in.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'll pay for Judge's limo out of town.

 

[PatsFan2]

I'll pay for Judge's limo out of town.

Get that Judge Karen out of here.

 

[reflexblue]

Hello board.

This article is unbelievable.
And I believe every word of it.

First off, this is 100% on Bill. The big part that isn't unbelievable is that Patricia and Judge both rubbed the players the wrong way - watching the Lions and the Giants this year, well, those two guys have some issues. I do think that 2022 was an experiment, and Bill was thinking BOB would be back if it didn't work. it didn't work, and we got served a heap of embarrassing football because of it.

They'll straighten things out, I hope, but there is residual damage here, without doubt.

This explains Kendrick Bourne's invisibility. There's no excuse for that, particularly after his emergence with Mac in 2021. Will he be able to bounce back, head on straight, and operate as he can with Bill as Head Coach? I don't know. Maybe Patricia is the one who benched him, but Bill didn't go to his defense.

When they flipped Wynn to RT in his contract year, I knew it would cause issues. The move alone cost him millions of $$$$ before they had ever played a down. No surprise that he was mentally checked out, and given the confusion on the OL all year, the many procedure penalties from him and Brown make a lot more sense. Many here don't want Wynn back. I get it. But he was a decent Left Tackle two years ago (health is an issue, sure), and him leaving puts a big hole in the offense. Read an article about him being a "high-priority FA" for the Pats. Doubt that's a possibility. Even if his price is low, as it will probably be this off season, I can't imagine he'd want anything to do with them if he has other options, and he will.

With Mac Jones, who knows? I don't like his floating sideline passes, don't like his inability to get across the 1st down marker, and really hate the cheap shots he's thrown. Book remains out, however, because a second year QB should NEVER have been put into the situation they threw at him this year. never. Inexcusable. I can't even count the number of times I was yelling "PLAY-ACTION" at the TV this year - and when they did it, it usually worked. The idea that Stevenson was able to do what he did when every team knew what was coming is encouraging, for the OL, too. That said, if Mac wound up traded to LV, it wouldn't surprise me. Bill didn't seem happy with his attitude. Back to square one?

So even with all of that, a little guts from the coaches in the Green Bay Game, a little less stupidity in the Raider game (along with that absurd touchdown that wasn't), and a Henry catch that should have been, and this dysfunctional team, spattered with rookies and injuries, could easily have been 11-6. No chance in the playoffs this year, probably, but neither middling nor a bottom-feeder.

I'll be optimistic now, I guess.

Also, even regarding the draft philosophy, things certainly are not "fixed." They're still thinking they're smarter than everyone else and shooting toes off. With all respect to Cole Strange, who I think will be a solid NFL guard for a long time, both Nakobi Dean and Devin Lloyd fit exactly what the Pats are trying to develop on Defense and are/were 1st Round talents. So were a couple of WRs sitting there at the time - not hindsight here.

And don't get me stated on Tyquan Thornton. I just don't see it with him. Maybe (hopefully) I'll be proven wrong, but Skyy Moore was sitting right there.

Both those guys were huge reaches; the drafting ain't fixed.

It seems BB was Awol, it explains why every week there were the same problems that never got fixed and every week BB would say yeah we have to clean that up, but it never happened. The whole thing is very bizarre.

 

[sb1]

I can't remember any Pats teams where coaches not players were the locker room cancer. This is the first in a really long time if it ever happened before.

 

[Steve102]

In regards to the "cheap" angle, Kraft paid for some stadium upgrades this year.....

That might have been a trickle down factor.

My thought on the cheap angle is this: Why would Kraft pay Fatt Matt or Judge what assistant coaches make when he can pay them as consultants, and they get paid on their old contracts from the Giants and Lions? IF they got a coordinator title, then the contracts at the old teams are void and that money isn't paid. (or so it was reported). Seems like he was doing "his boys a solid" by giving them jobs and letting them draw big checks from previous employers. I don't think it's cheap, it's shrewd business. It just turns out that these guys suck after all.

 

[sb1]

D-Mac said this in November. He knew what Judge was.

 

[Brotherblues]

I'll pay for Judge's limo out of town.

I'd chip in but it looks like they're keeping him.



And it looks like he's going as a high level VIP coach, lumped in with BB, BOB, Mayo, and Steve as guys who are going but are not expected to actually coach in the game.

That tweet made me sad to be honest.

 

[turkeyneck]

I'd chip in but it looks like they're keeping him.



And it looks like he's going as a high level VIP coach, lumped in with BB, BOB, Mayo, and Steve as guys who are going but are not expected to actually coach in the game.

That tweet made me sad to be honest.

This is the first I've seen where JJ is included. Maybe it's a mistake?

 

[Vindicate]

Was Judge a ****head during his ST stint with the Patriots? I truly don't get how someone can go from ST coach to HC, suddenly become an *******, then an abysmally bad ******* HC, get chased out of town, and still be an ******* when he looks decisively incompetent upon arrival to his new team.

 

[Brotherblues]

This is the first I've seen where JJ is included. Maybe it's a mistake?

That'd be amazing but I doubt it

 

[Steve102]

Agree. I think that was what happened. Same deal with when he hired Schiano and when he bailed he fell back to BB Jr and Mayo.

Problem is there are 343 more qualified/pot'l OCs than Jabba the Matt. Caley for one.

I read the article with amazement. I mean, I knew it was bad, but what a sh!t show. Ultimately BB owns this.

Bill's desire to be around guys he wants to be around is a problem from where I sit.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I'd chip in but it looks like they're keeping him.



And it looks like he's going as a high level VIP coach, lumped in with BB, BOB, Mayo, and Steve as guys who are going but are not expected to actually coach in the game.

That tweet made me sad to be honest.

If the Herald report is true and this is true, regardless of Judge’s past special teams success….

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Just heard Cowherd on the radio at the gas station. He's picked up the Herald story so it's now national. BB's penance has now begun. The press he loathes will be all over him on this to the exclusion of all else.

What was Cowherd doing at a gas station?

 

[Steve102]

I'd chip in but it looks like they're keeping him.



And it looks like he's going as a high level VIP coach, lumped in with BB, BOB, Mayo, and Steve as guys who are going but are not expected to actually coach in the game.

That tweet made me sad to be honest.

The tweet from the Shrine Bowl does not show Judge: