Mayo negotiations + OC interviews next week

[Thelonious]

Facts don’t need a train.

Even more often, trains do not require facts, often avoid them in fact, or bang 'em out the way with the ol' cowcatcher.

 

[h0c2000]

Wonder if Holmon Wiggins gets an OC interview. Checks a couple of boxes, minority and FOB tree.

 

[Thelonious]

Wonder if Holmon Wiggins gets an OC interview. Checks a couple of boxes, minority and FOB tree.

Couldn't care less about such boxes.

 

[Thelonious]

Not weird at all, in fact, it's very on brand for the NFL to have no clue as to concepts of "2d and 3d order effects" or "outcome based analytics".

They take an issue, usually but not exclusively driven by the sports media, and instead of examination of how to actually get to the desired outcome instead usually end up instituting something that satisfies only that self-same media.

I agree. Of course, this is a problem these days far more broadly than in the NFL. The more childishly appealing an idea is, the more avidly it is embraced. No wonder they want the voting age dropped to 16.

 

[PScottman]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. However, Mayo should bank on himself as a legitimate head coaching candidate and see what happens. There's only 32 of these jobs on the planet.

I think he does based just on his own willingness to play hardball with the Patriots, but he also has likely very close knowledge of the reality of the HC selection process. I'm not African-American and so cannot in any way accurately speak to how he might feel in having to navigate this bleepshow that is the NFL hierarchy.

From my very uninformed POV, I'm not sure I would want to be another in a series of "show" interviewees, but don't profess to know why Mayo may have cancelled.

It could just as easily be, as others have said, a very lucrative "bird in the hand" contract placed in front of him for signature, his wife saying she likes the area...the schools...he himself liking what he has...unable to tear himself away from the unintentional comedy that is Steve Belichick (I mean if he's that weird on camera imagine what he's like in the meeting room?)...the potential reasons are legion and might even be some "all or part of the above." as well.

 

[Thelonious]

Mac fought through adversity this year and looked better at the end. Even though the season was a disappointment, I would be surprised if Mac does not feel good about himself (which is important with his overly emotional personality type). I do not think it was a wasted year at all, I think Mac grew up a lot and is on an upswing going into 2023, unlike coming into 2022.

Ehhhh. A little too cheery a take for me. I think Bill's failures this year were egregious - fireable offenses for nearly any other coach - and that the damage done, to Mac and otherwise, will persist for some time. More generally, the confusing nature of our conversation here is a reflection of Bill poor judgment over time. It is hard to make sense of failure.

 

[PScottman]

bang 'em out the way with the ol' cowcatcher.

I think you win the "Use the word most likely never to be used in the Pats Fans Forum" award. @Ian what does he win????

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Ehhhh. A little too cheery a take for me. I think Bill's failures this year were egregious - fireable offenses for nearly any other coach - and that the damage done, to Mac and otherwise, will persist for some time. More generally, the confusing nature of our conversation here is a reflection of Bill poor judgment over time. It is hard to make sense of failure.

A little too cheery for you, Mr. Doom and Gloom? Not surprising. Haha. Everything, short of a SB win, is fireable for you .

No damage was done to Mac. Neither Patricia or the stupid Zappe chants ruined Mac, he played much much better after the Raiders game and I am sure he knows it. That will feel good all offseason even after a disappointing season. Mac will grow through 2023 as well. Good guy, good QB.

You think the confusing nature of PatsFans reflects somehow on the Pats organization? Surely I am confused.

 

[DaBruinz]

Sounds like Kingsbury is not interested in coaching this season. Was wishful thinking on my part.

There may be more going on with Kingsbury than has been reported. Unless they are just being lazy, you don't use terms like "flees to Thailand" unless there are legal issues.

 

[DaBruinz]

Zach Kittley was KK's protege at TxTech, coached Zappe at Hou Baptist and Western Kentucky. Maybe not ready for OC in the NFL but QB coach?

Definitely thinking outside the box with that. It would definitely make a few reporters go "Who the hell is that"... LOL

 

[Thelonious]

A little too cheery for you, Mr. Doom and Gloom? Not surprising. Haha. Everything, short of a SB win, is fireable for you .

No damage was done to Mac. Neither Patricia or the stupid Zappe chants ruined Mac, he played much much better after the Raiders game and I am sure he knows it. That will feel good all offseason even after a disappointing season. Mac will grow through 2023 as well. Good guy, good QB.

You think the confusing nature of PatsFans reflects somehow on the Pats organization? Surely I am confused.

Paragraph one is erroneous.

Paragraph two is giddy nonsense.

Paragraph three, in so far as it is a confession of your confusion, is apt. To say that the nature of a matter under discussion will not affect the nature of the discussion itself is wildy obtuse.

 

[Ross12]

There may be more going on with Kingsbury than has been reported. Unless they are just being lazy, you don't use terms like "flees to Thailand" unless there are legal issues.

I'm pretty sure it's just flippant reporting. Dude is most likely taking a long vacation with his massive paychecks that will continue to roll in for another 4 years.

 

[jdlboot14]

a new name just occurred to me for OC... Mike McCoy.

He's currently the QB coach for the Jags, but was the OC with JMD in Denver 09/10.
He has clearly done a great job turning Lawrence around this year. And he's a steady guy, with HC experience.
They have other guys in JAC with OC and Pass Game Coord. so he might not feel the need to stay there.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Sentence one is erroneous.

Sentence two is giddy nonsense.

Sentence three, in so far as it is a confession of your confusion, is apt. To say that the nature of a matter under discussion will not affect the nature of the discussion itself is wildy obtuse.

It seems you missed all points. That seems like a normal day.

 

[DaBruinz]

Wonder if Holmon Wiggins gets an OC interview. Checks a couple of boxes, minority and FOB tree.

Wiggins seems like a guy who could handle the OC position. But his focus has been on RB & WR. I don't see anything in his background in regards to QBs. So, you'd have to bring someone in who can help fix Jones and work with Zappe.

 

[Thelonious]

It seems you missed all points. That seems like a normal day.

Still confused? Condolences. Must be tough.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Wiggins seems like a guy who could handle the OC position. But his focus has been on RB & WR. I don't see anything in his background in regards to QBs. So, you'd have to bring someone in who can help fix Jones and work with Zappe.

brian johnson
make him the qb coach and assistant OC or passing game coordinator or whatever to get him from philly where is the qb coach
he did coach qb for several years, turned hurts into a really solid qb,
he also has been an OC at the college level

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Still confused? Condolences. Must be tough.

It is. Have a nice sunny day.

 

[pazrul72]

In the absence of real news all we have is the crumbs to speculate on so I’m going to do my own. I don’t think the DC title is enough to keep Mayo and it’s clear they want to. I also think they like Steve and want to keep him long term as well. How can you do both? Just reading the tea leaves I don’t think Steve is as ambitious as Mayo and would be content being the DC, especially for his dad, and then a guy he has worked with closely for a couple years in Mayo if he takes over when BB retires. So much like Dante was OL coach/assistant head coach, I.e the guy in charge when BB wasn’t around, second in command, and in theory learning about everything required to be the main guy, I think LB coach/assistant head coach is what Mayo is being offered. Plus a larger contract. It makes it clear where he stands in the chain of command, what he is being groomed for, and keeps everyone else happy. Having the defensive coaching set up and in place for the next two years will let them focus all of their attention where it belongs, on the atrocious offensive coaching.

 

[turkeyneck]

Definitely thinking outside the box with that. It would definitely make a few reporters go "Who the hell is that"... LOL

I originally brought Kittley's name up just as a curiousity because of his connections to Kingsbury, Mahomes and Zappe, but the idea's growing on me. I'd like to see him at least get an interview.