Pre-Game Thread- Bills @ Pats (Thursday Night)

[TomPatriot]

This is strong evidence why the Pats need a real OC. I think if a team can play really well in between the 20s and cannot perform in the red zone, that goes heavily on a failure in coaching. Sure defenses tighten up in the red zone, but if you can move the ball with ease in the open field a good OC can design plays to still put their players in a position to succeed in the red zone.

Add the fact that there is confusion of what people should be doing, that is 100% on the coaching.

There were a lot of forced throws in that clip. Plus the slide at the 3 yard line. Yikes.

 

[ashley]

Good morning to all, Getting everyone ready for a Tuesday:

 

[ashley]

First injury report of the week:

 

[ashley]

Bills injury report:

Bills at Patriots: Monday injury reports

While an illness is going around the #Bills locker room, they are looking healthier ahead of facing the #Patriots:

billswire.usatoday.com

 

[sb1]

Too bad that BB Shula thread was locked that was a good topic. Was going to say that I think the Pats finish 9-8 which puts Bill 18 away from tying Shula. Definitely within reach. I voted no because the team has also never been all about the accomplishments of one person. That’s not who we are.

 

[ashley]

Too bad that BB Shula thread was locked that was a good topic. Was going to say that I think the Pats finish 9-8 which puts Bill 18 away from tying Shula. Definitely within reach. I voted no because the team has also never been all about the accomplishments of one person. That’s not who we are.

It was a trolling thread made by a troll that is a one trick pony, anti BB. That is all he ever posts. He is another poster that is close to being gone.

Maybe revisit during the offseason this topic. Thanks SB!!!

 

[mike_usagisan]

Too bad that BB Shula thread was locked that was a good topic. Was going to say that I think the Pats finish 9-8 which puts Bill 18 away from tying Shula. Definitely within reach. I voted no because the team has also never been all about the accomplishments of one person. That’s not who we are.

Yeah, I wanted to weigh in, too. I think the people on this site are more invested in that record than Bill is. The people who hate Bill think he's only about winning the record for himself (as though winning a lot of games were a bad thing for the Patriots?). Frankly, I think Bill is just trying to win the next game and will figure out after that after that.

 

[patsinthesnow]

mac jones’ CPOE (completion percentage over expected) weeks 1-9: +0.4% (11th/30)

weeks 11-12: +10.4% (1st/28)

It’s a good sign the strength of his game has returned post injury. I think it’s obvious his decision making was affected early by the new offense (throw contested down the field) & his accuracy was affected by the injury. Despite the mess on the offense & OL they have a chance to finish strong with andrews back IMO.

 

[signbabybrady]

Too bad that BB Shula thread was locked that was a good topic. Was going to say that I think the Pats finish 9-8 which puts Bill 18 away from tying Shula. Definitely within reach. I voted no because the team has also never been all about the accomplishments of one person. That’s not who we are.

I was gonna vote no but then it occurred to me this was just a troll thread so put in a yes. I don't think it's free reign but I also think it's very far fetched to think Bill would get fired first. It would take a collapse this year and a losing record next year for it to even be considered.

 

[ashley]

Looks like Andrews is going to go this week which is a good sign:

 

[Thelonious]

I am resigned to our not making the playoffs. I don't think it's a big deal, frankly. If we did manage by some weird play of circumstance to end up in the postseason, we'd soon be out of there. Recall last year.

I expect us to lose to Buffalo.

This year is about next year and years following. It has been all along. We do not yet know whether Mac can rise above medicocrity. He has yet to achieve even that status on a consistent basis, after all. He had a nice game in a losing effort, one in which 3rd down and red zone play was not even close to mediocrity.

Much of the blame goes to the preposterously bad coaching/playcalling on the offensive side, no doubt. And if this season is about seasons going forward, that problem must be solved. The only rational and effective solution is to replace the two bumbling clowns "in charge of" the offense.

The ineptitude of the coaching does not let Mac off the hook, however. He shows NO SIGN of being able even to begin to overcome the bad coaching....none. A legit qb will be make a real, observable difference in such circumstances. Mac has not done so. As of now, if you're into comps, he's on par with, maybe even a step behind, the likes of Mike White. Both can beat a really weak defense. Big deal. Is that good enough? I don't preclude the possibility Mac can improve, but I see little evidence to this point that he is making substantive progress. As of now, net, he's just not good enough.

I expect and welcome very direct intervention in the team on the part of the Krafts. They have pressed Bill the GM on his nonsense, with some success. Given the inexplicable BS re coaching the offense, Bill the Coach obviously needs a boot as well.

While there are enough solid players on this team to form a core on which one can build, the jury is still out on Mac, the offensive coaching is...offensive, and the head coach needs, as my grandfather used to put it, "a kick in the slats."

 

[Triumph]

The Bills have not won a division game this season - L Miami, L NYJ.

The Pats Vikings loss was so huge since the Pats would have only 1 game back. With a NE victory this Thursday, these 2 teams would have been tied @ 8 - 4 and the Bills would have 3 Division losses and 3 Conference losses. NE would only have 2 Conference losses. The Bills would have been fighting it out with the Jets for the bottom.

NFL Standings - 2023 season - ESPN

Visit ESPN for the complete 2023 NFL season standings. Includes league, conference and division standings for regular season and playoffs.

www.espn.com

 

[slash83]

I am resigned to our not making the playoffs. I don't think it's a big deal, frankly. If we did manage by some weird play of circumstance to end up in the postseason, we'd soon be out of there. Recall last year.

I expect us to lose to Buffalo.

This year is about next year and years following. It has been all along. We do not yet know whether Mac can rise above medicocrity. He has yet to achieve even that status on a consistent basis, after all. He had a nice game in a losing effort, one in which 3rd down and red zone play was not even close to mediocrity.

Much of the blame goes to the preposterously bad coaching/playcalling on the offensive side, no doubt. And if this season is about seasons going forward, that problem must be solved. The only rational and effective solution is to replace the two bumbling clowns "in charge of" the offense.

The ineptitude of the coaching does not let Mac off the hook, however. He shows NO SIGN of being able even to begin to overcome the bad coaching....none. A legit qb will be make a real, observable difference in such circumstances. Mac has not done so. As of now, if you're into comps, he's on par with, maybe even a step behind, the likes of Mike White. Both can beat a really weak defense. Big deal. Is that good enough? I don't preclude the possibility Mac can improve, but I see little evidence to this point that he is making substantive progress. As of now, net, he's just not good enough.

I expect and welcome very direct intervention in the team on the part of the Krafts. They have pressed Bill the GM on his nonsense, with some success. Given the inexplicable BS re coaching the offense, Bill the Coach obviously needs a boot as well.

While there are enough solid players on this team to form a core on which one can build, the jury is still out on Mac, the offensive coaching is...offensive, and the head coach needs, as my grandfather used to put it, "a kick in the slats."

I beg to differ, Brady was luck af having Bill as his coach all those years.

 

[venecol]

It was a trolling thread made by a troll that is a one trick pony, anti BB. That is all he ever posts. He is another poster that is close to being gone.

Maybe revisit during the offseason this topic. Thanks SB!!!

Ash are you the one deciding which posters get banned? If so, what do you want for Xmas.

 

[ashley]

Ash are you the one deciding which posters get banned? If so, what do you want for Xmas.

Lol, because I am more in the weeds and involved in the day to day more than the great Ian, I always think it's a collaborative effort along with Ross as well.

As far as gifts go, can I get back to you on that? lol

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Ash are you the one deciding which posters get banned? If so, what do you want for Xmas.

If so, could we start with posters who have avvys of Pats players being in agony after injury?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Interesting....time to turn the heat up in the visitors lockerroom

Bills Dealing With Illness In Locker Room Ahead Of Patriots Game

Nearly a half-dozen Buffalo Bills players are unwell ahead of the team's midweek matchup with the New England Patriots.

nesn.com

 

[Pats2000]

I am resigned to our not making the playoffs. I don't think it's a big deal, frankly. If we did manage by some weird play of circumstance to end up in the postseason, we'd soon be out of there. Recall last year.

I expect us to lose to Buffalo.

This year is about next year and years following. It has been all along. We do not yet know whether Mac can rise above medicocrity. He has yet to achieve even that status on a consistent basis, after all. He had a nice game in a losing effort, one in which 3rd down and red zone play was not even close to mediocrity.

Much of the blame goes to the preposterously bad coaching/playcalling on the offensive side, no doubt. And if this season is about seasons going forward, that problem must be solved. The only rational and effective solution is to replace the two bumbling clowns "in charge of" the offense.

The ineptitude of the coaching does not let Mac off the hook, however. He shows NO SIGN of being able even to begin to overcome the bad coaching....none. A legit qb will be make a real, observable difference in such circumstances. Mac has not done so. As of now, if you're into comps, he's on par with, maybe even a step behind, the likes of Mike White. Both can beat a really weak defense. Big deal. Is that good enough? I don't preclude the possibility Mac can improve, but I see little evidence to this point that he is making substantive progress. As of now, net, he's just not good enough.

I expect and welcome very direct intervention in the team on the part of the Krafts. They have pressed Bill the GM on his nonsense, with some success. Given the inexplicable BS re coaching the offense, Bill the Coach obviously needs a boot as well.

While there are enough solid players on this team to form a core on which one can build, the jury is still out on Mac, the offensive coaching is...offensive, and the head coach needs, as my grandfather used to put it, "a kick in the slats."

Mac showed some promise, made some bug time NFL reads and throws last game. Let's see if he can build on that. I was beating the Zappe drum, but Mac made a case for himself last week.

 

[venecol]

If so, could we start with posters who have avvys of Pats players being in agony after injury?

It's a reminder of Sunshine's character and grit that he was able to come back in 4 weeks from a devastating injury that takes 6 to 8 weeks of recovery. However, if Ash wants me to change it, I will. Anything for Ash.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I actually think we have a really good shot. Their secondary has been a mess that's been picked on at times and they look banged up. Oliver has been on fire but with Miller out a lot falls on him. We should be able to put up some points. I like our chances tbh.