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Should Kendrick Bourne start against the Steelers in Week2?

  • Yes, winning is the most important thing right now

    Votes: 68 89.5%
  • No, Let him stay in BB's doghouse

    Votes: 8 10.5%

  • Total voters
    76
  • Poll closed .
I acknowledge Parker was on the field. I pointed out he got 2 targets. Now you can say he didn't get open. I know, I know. Is your position -- which we'll go back and figure out at the end of the season -- that nothing good can come of Davante Parker being on the field? It seems more to me like we have one game where that happened.

No. My position is that Parker's not a #1, and is not really a #2, in the Patriots offense because, in the Patriots offense, the TEs are supposed to be the guys making the contested catches. The WRs are supposed to find space, and that's not Parker's game. You may recall me talking about the bust formerly known as N'Keal Harry as a guy who should have been shifted to TE. It was because of this same sort of situation.


I'm just pointing out Bourne got his 1 catch and it went for a big gain, that doesn't mean you put him on the field for 57 snaps and he gets 28.5 receptions each of them for 41 yards.

If that was the only example of Bourne with the Patriots, I'd be with you. However, we have all of last season to look at, as well: 55 catches on 70 targets (78.6% catch rate), and a 14.5 yards per catch average.

Everybody's just coocoo for cocoa puffs about what a brilliant WR Bourne must be. I mean he's good, but what do you want, the old Minnesota "Randy Ratio" .... for Kendrick Bourne?

No, I want the team to put the best players on the field. I don't happen to think that includes Jonnu Smith, but the team either thinks it does or is trying to force Smith out of hope that he becomes that. But, if you're going to have the 2 tight ends, your receivers need to be Bourne and Meyers, at least until/unless one of them actually plays himself out of that slot. Parker and Agholor need to be the WR3/WR4 guys.

And don't give me the "Practice" stuff:

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I acknowledge Parker was on the field. I pointed out he got 2 targets. Now you can say he didn't get open. I know, I know. Is your position -- which we'll go back and figure out at the end of the season -- that nothing good can come of Davante Parker being on the field? It seems more to me like we have one game where that happened.

I'm just pointing out Bourne got his 1 catch and it went for a big gain, that doesn't mean you put him on the field for 57 snaps and he gets 28.5 receptions each of them for 41 yards.

Everybody's just coocoo for cocoa puffs about what a brilliant WR Bourne must be. I mean he's good, but what do you want, the old Minnesota "Randy Ratio" .... for Kendrick Bourne?
I get that you're Jakobi's #1 cheerleader. I also like Meyers. However, Bourne was the team's #1 receiver in YAC, by a LOT. Dude has a knack for putting up some yards which is what this team desperately needs. Play the man! #FreeKendrickBourne.
 
No. My position is that Parker's not a #1, and is not really a #2, in the Patriots offense because, in the Patriots offense, the TEs are supposed to be the guys making the contested catches. The WRs are supposed to find space, and that's not Parker's game. You may recall me talking about the bust formerly known as N'Keal Harry as a guy who should have been shifted to TE. It was because of this same sort of situation.
Parker runs a 4.45 40. Harry was another 4.6 guy wasn't he?
Which of these were contested catch wrestling matches when we played them in '19?


When he pantsed Gilmore on that first catch, tell me how Gilmore was contesting it. And he kept beating Gilmore. Tell me what about this particular 137 yard perfomance was about contested balls. He's big and strong, but he's also fast--or, you could argue, he was, I'm just asking you to tell me how and when Davante Parker became so damaged that it's a slam dunk you should sit him on the bench in favor of the "guy who was most underrated no. 2 receiver before the upgrade and is salty about the new offense."

Or show me any other source that says he can't get open and he's a wrestler playing wide receiver, other than some guy on PatsFans saying he's "not explosive." I mean, I can buy he wasn't Sunday, but his problem has been more staying healthy than getting open. That said, he had that big 16.7 yard per catch average, 1200 yards, 9 TD in '19, and since then he's been in the 12s (in terms of YPC). But no, not a 78.6% catch rate, in the 50s and 60s. Bourne had a great 2021, touching 800 yards for the first time. If he is okay with the offense we run, and the coaches are okay with him, he might have a great 2022. I dont think we know a whole lot right now, other than everybody's mad he wasn't annointed King of the Receivers, because we lost our first game.

If that was the only example of Bourne with the Patriots, I'd be with you. However, we have all of last season to look at, as well: 55 catches on 70 targets (78.6% catch rate), and a 14.5 yards per catch average.
Super-efficient year, super in-tune with Mac, and I'm not saying he sucks. I'm saying we added a second tight end, and reportedly he was upset about that. I won't speculate past what I've read and I'll only half-believe that, because who actually knows jack about it. He's the sexy "most underrated" guy. He's just in the same continuum as the other starters, and by the way, the guys they've added have been a speed upgrade... over BOTH guys who carried us last year. Coincidence? I look forward to looking back at this season :D

edit: I know we didn't add Jonnu in 2022. We added throwing to him in 2022. (i.e., more 2 TE sets)

No, I want the team to put the best players on the field. I don't happen to think that includes Jonnu Smith, but the team either thinks it does or is trying to force Smith out of hope that he becomes that. But, if you're going to have the 2 tight ends, your receivers need to be Bourne and Meyers, at least until/unless one of them actually plays himself out of that slot. Parker and Agholor need to be the WR3/WR4 guys.

And don't give me the "Practice" stuff:

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You lost me on "practice."

I'm not against him. I'd say he's intriguing on the efficiency axis, he's not this monster, at least not yet, he wouldn't have likely made the difference Sunday, but yeah, if he is better than the guy you went out and bought as having a legit no. 1 potential, Parker, he's better than the guy who was his (at least) "co no. 1" except they both produced like 2s.... he's better than Agholor, guaranteed, because we got Bad Agholor last year instead of Good Agholor, as in, 2020 with the Raiders...
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Yeah, Kendrick Bourne is the one only guy who might could possibly have an argument to see the field. So much so that he can have (reported) attitude problems about how the offense is supposed to be run, and still vault ahead of the other guys, right?

You know because that one year, he had a 14.something per catch average and that (legitimately eyepopping) 78% catch percentage.
 
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I get that you're Jakobi's #1 cheerleader. I also like Meyers. However, Bourne was the team's #1 receiver in YAC, by a LOT. Dude has a knack for putting up some yards which is what this team desperately needs. Play the man! #FreeKendrickBourne.
As you can probably see above, I see intriguing and surprising things about all 4 of these guys. Bourne doesn't jump out at me. And sitting him doesn't jump out as anything but a counterfactual red herring. Now that said...

yeah more snaps than 2, okay, I'm wit ya.

And PS, since the Agholor fumble mooted the big play he did make, maybe he gets Bourne's doghouse next week. It might just work out that way.
 
Parker runs a 4.45 40. Harry was another 4.6 guy wasn't he?
Which of these were contested catch wrestling matches when we played them in '19?

Come on, man. FFS, Tom Brady once juked the hell out of Brian Urhlacher. That doesn't mean Brady's a great running quarterback.
 
Come on, man. Get back to me when you're not going to be embarrassing yourself with things like this. FFS, Tom Brady once juked the hell out of Brian Urhlacher. That doesn't mean Brady's a great running quarterback.
So you think of Parker as a big ol' gorilla who wrestles the ball away from guys, nothing more?
Go to YouTube and watch Parker's game against us in '19 and tell me he's just like N'Keal Harry. FFS, show me ONE game N'Keal Harry had remotely like that one, or many others that year or since then. You can be a d1ck if you want, but you can't tell me Davante Parker is N'Keal Harry come back to haunt us and then tell me how I'm embarassing myself.
 
So you think of Parker as a big ol' gorilla who wrestles the ball away from guys, nothing more?

I think that, in the NFL, pretty much no player is "nothing more". On the other hand, and you know this very well, that's not what people mean when they pigeonhole professional athletes. Everyone, or at least almost everyone, understands that the worst players in the top leagues are still tremendous players who can do a lot of things better than those in lower levels. Brian Scalabrine may have been a relative stiff in the NBA, but he could house most of those who weren't good enough to get there. That doesn't mean that, for context purposes (a/k/a relative to other NBA players) he wasn't a relative stiff.

With regards to Parker, his career catch percentage is under 58%, with him not historically being a scoring threat. That doesn't make him a bad player, but it (along with other things) makes him a certain type of player, and it's not the type that either Brady or Jones has typically worked as their WR1.

And, again, Tom Brady juked Brian Urhlacher. That doesn't mean you want Brady running the ball outside of QB sneaks.
 
Bourne is the only WR on the team who can consistently beat underneath/intermediate man coverage. For that reason alone he needs to be on the field often. Not to mention he has a natural chemistry with Mac, who looks tremendously comfortable throwing Bourne the ball.

Your coordinators shouldn't be extensions of the head coach - they should be complementary pieces with their own identities. The ideal OC is one who can tell Bourne to get his sh*t together, while also being someone to go to, talk with, and confide in. Patricia shouldn't be an extension of BB, he should be the one telling Bourne, "Can't be late to meetings, but look man, you're too good, alright? I need you to behave because you know how Bill is, absolute hard-ass ... I should know, I've worked for the guy for over a decade ... look, if you need anything KB, I'm here for ya, bud". That's how trust and chemistry is built. That's how you build a TEAM, a collective group playing for each other.
 
My advice: give that sports media thing a rest, they're making a mountain out of a molehill.
BB, MP and KB are adult men, not ass clowns like Curran, Felger and Mazz.
They'll figure it out, then the ass clowns will move on to the next thing they can whine about.
I agree with your take, but Fat Matt is a clown
 
With regards to Parker, his career catch percentage is under 58%, with him not historically being a scoring threat. That doesn't make him a bad player, but it (along with other things) makes him a certain type of player, and it's not the type that either Brady or Jones has typically worked as their WR1.

Moss only spent three seasons with the Patriots but made a big impact. In total, he came up with 250 receptions, 47 of which were touchdowns, in 48 games and had a 59.2 percent catch rate.

Was Moss a WR2 or 3? Or maybe he was a TE in disguise.

As for Parker, he's no Moss, but he's historically been more of a scoring threat than Bourne. Last year was Bourne's highest TD total at 5. Parker so far topped out at 9. Moss was a bit higher :D

I'm just here trying to keep this bullcrap factory a tiny bit more honest when we're all off the rails on this train to oblivion about Kendrick Bourne. Wow I just reread that tortured rail metaphor. Anyway, love him, he's great, rah rah sis boom bah, but whatcha gonna do when he gets his 4 or 5 targets, and he's still just Kendrick Bourne? He's not the key to the universe, he's just one of last year's two decent receivers. We're all building the efficiency stats into The Bourne Supremacy through interpolation. It might be cool to see if that's true, but it might be cool to see what Parker's got left, whether Agholor can be Raiders '20 Agholor, whether Smith AND Henry is better than Smith OR Henry, etc. And Meyers is the (not-hating-the-second-tight-end) bread and butter.

Sometimes you think you've got the answer -- not saying you're doing that, you're just mad one guy didn't get to eat, I am saying we have a frenzy going on about this storyline, and people are building it into "that's what's wrong with the Patriots, BB doing arrogant things like playing whoever he played instead of whoever he didn't."
 
I guess I will ask the question ...Why was Parker only targeted twice in the whole game when he was on the field for all of the snaps. I am not trying to stir the pot just dont understand it. Is it a case of well we tried twice and it did not work out too good so we will go and try something else ?
Maybe he was covered all the time by the Miami secondary ?
 
Sometimes these coaches cut their ****ing nose to spite the whole team. This team is forming and to prove stupid point when you don’t have play makers is dumb. BB can act dumb at times.If not decision, then he needs to more involved and feel the pulse of the team.
 
So you think of Parker as a big ol' gorilla who wrestles the ball away from guys, nothing more?
Go to YouTube and watch Parker's game against us in '19 and tell me he's just like N'Keal Harry. FFS, show me ONE game N'Keal Harry had remotely like that one, or many others that year or since then. You can be a d1ck if you want, but you can't tell me Davante Parker is N'Keal Harry come back to haunt us and then tell me how I'm embarassing myself.

It's absolutely insane that he's got Parker as just a "contest" guy. Ya he can do that but as proven by him constantly burning the DPOY in the video you linked shows he can be more than that.

and if wasn't for the refs Parker would have been the reason why Pats had an opening drive TD and most likely were 1-0 but refs are refs and it set the tone for the game.

hard to make contested catches or even get open when the CB has grip of your jersey,
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Congrats to Boston Sports Talk whining mediots, you've found your talking point of the week!

Callers filling the lines to say how much more their butt hurts than the last caller.

Curran even got to take a shot at Matty P, his favorite whipping boy these days.




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Fat Matt doesn’t have the clout to have a “Doghouse”. Nor does the Team have the talent for him OR Judge to be petty, seems Kraft understands that.
 
It's absolutely insane that he's got Parker as just a "contest" guy. Ya he can do that but as proven by him constantly burning the DPOY in the video you linked shows he can be more than that.

and if wasn't for the refs Parker would have been the reason why Pats had an opening drive TD and most likely were 1-0 but refs are refs and it set the tone for the game.

hard to make contested catches or even get open when the CB has grip of your jersey,
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Worst call of the game. Pathetic
 
Fat Matt doesn’t have the clout to have a “Doghouse”. Nor does the Team have the talent for him OR Judge to be petty, seems Kraft understands that.
Yep . The Bourne discipline is coming from Bill.

It's clear Bourne's isn't as dialed in as he was last year and he's being reminded where he needs to be.

Once he does he'll play 70% of the snaps again.
 


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