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This is what I said before game one:

"If they stay balanced but run heavy, play mistake free football I feel good about this game. Dolphins D is good but their OLine is only as good as their five starters and their LT can’t stay healthy long enough to finish a game. We have no clue who Mike McDaniels is as a head coach. He could be great, he could suck." - Wozzy, yesterday

Mike McDaniels looked really good to me. The kid looked calm and collected, he made great decisions.

As for the Patriots... they turned the ball over three times, the Dolphins didn't turn it over once.

Offensive Coaching - How about nearly every Patriot offensive play went to the final second of the play clock... that gives opponents an advantage because when it's consistent opponents can time up their blitzes.

They ran once, twice, three times to great effect... and still no play action? Only an obvious bunched up 4th rushing attempt at their stud DT's, that not surprisingly got stuffed... hey Patricia, you realize good run defenders might take that personally, right?

I thought the play calling looked great on the scripted drives at the start of the game and after the half, afterwards it often looked like plays spit out of a computer. No intent or intention to create rhythm, or control what the defense is doing by getting them moving in any direction.

Offensive players: The line outside of (mistakes) communication issues and a couple of penalties blocked well. The two RB's averaged 4.3 yards per carry, they broke off some chunk plays, they both got involved in the passing game which was amazing. That being said, I think as a 3rd down back Montgomery is the still best for the job. He's simply the fastest of the three and most natural WR of the group. Jonnu was really good as both blocker and receiver. If there was a big disconnect between Mac and his weapons it was his WR's. They made some plays, they missed some plays.

Defensive coaching was good except for the play at the end of the half. With Tyreek, Waddle and Gesicki the DB's shouldn't be pressing at the line of scrimmage on likely the final play of the first half when they're that close to the end zone. This was the coaching staff putting Gronk in on defense, the Miracle in Miami idiocy all over again. Yes, the defenders were in position to make the tackle but ran into each other. Why send the house there? Why have DMC, your best centerfielder, at the line of scrimmage?

The defense only gave up 13 points, the one TD they allowed was a fluke broken play and the two field goals were a 43 and 49 yard attempts... they weren't gimmes.

I thought the defense played really well... consider the weapons.

Mistakes in order:

The first (scripted) drive:


Mac Jones passes deep right (defended by Xavien Howard) intended for DeVante Parker is intercepted by Jevon Holland in end zone and returned for 31 yards (tackle by Isaiah Wynn)

First let me say Devante Parker was held the entire route, a clear hold, not some moaning fan BS. That being said, you're the road team and have to accept its going to happen. My bigger issue is with the decision is to throw a 50/50 ball to anyone when Xavien Howard is guarding them on first down. Unless it was meant to be a back shoulder throw and he couldn't get back to it. It never should have been made. You either throw it to the back corner of the end zone and make Parker win a footrace to get it, or the ball goes out of bounds. But what you don't do is throw it dead center right of the endzone... the reason being the very thing that occurred. That play was a mistake in either conception, or Mac's throw had too much air under it and he should have stepped into it a little more. It was first down, we were on their 22 yard line... 2 yards more was the red zone. Everything to that point was working for them on offense. Why? Go for first downs, not touchdowns... and the TD's will come.

Defense gives up a long field goal.

The second drive:


Two big mistakes on the second drive. It starts on our 25 with back-to-back good run plays. Rhamondre rips off right guard for 7 yards, then over the left end for 12 yards. Well blocked, good running. Then Mac throws to Rhamondre for -3 yards, but another throw to Montgomery goes for 7. Here's 3rd and 6 to go and Hunter Henry has a false start on a play where everyone looked confused in setting it up. Play clock always going to 1 then hike? Mistake #1. So it's 3rd and 11 now and a moment of brilliance as they run a WR screen outside to Agholor for 17 yards. Great design, great blocking especially by the weapons out on the edge. Very next play someone forgot to tell Cole Strange who to block because Emmanuel Ogbah shifts right before the snap because he's probably watching the play clock and goes untouched right up the middle for a 7 yard sack. That second mistake of the drive killed any momentum. One dive play with Montgomery that got stuffed by Christian Wilkins, their best DT for -2 yards later and they're facing a 3rd and 19. Mac completes a pass to Henry for 9 but the drive is over and they have to punt.

I should just add that the punting, placement and kick coverage were superb.

Defense forces a punt.

The third drive:

Mac Jones sacked by Brandon Jones for -13 yards. Mac Jones fumbles (forced by Brandon Jones), recovered by Melvin Ingram at NE-2 and returned for a 2 yard td.

After a failed pass downfield, it's second and ten on the Pat's 15 in the second quarter and time is not an issue... when the biggest mistake of the game occurs. IMO there may be two mistakes on this one play. On the sack strip scoop and score by the Dolphins Mac gets caught napping. The safety Brandon Jones, who had 5 sacks last year, rushes the outside edge and Mac is only looking right instead of scanning the field one last time before the snap. He had 5 seconds on the play clock so he rushed the snap because he saw something on the right side he liked pre-snap. If he had taken the time to straighten out and scan the field he would have seen Jones creeping up. Another person who may have screwed up for the second time today might be Hunter Henry. He could have chipped Jones on his route to give Mac more time, but Mac was the main culprit here for telegraphing his intent and rushing the snap. A lot of people want to blame Trent Brown here, he was diverting his assignment inside and even with his building sized wingspan would have struggled to get the SS coming off the edge. This was a big mistake that cost points.

The fourth drive:

Mac Jones pass incomplete short left intended for Jakobi Meyers (defended by Brandon Jones)
Damien Harris up the middle for 3 yards (tackle by Melvin Ingram)
Mac Jones pass complete deep right to Jakobi Meyers for 27 yards (tackle by Nik Needham)
Mac Jones pass complete short right to Ty Montgomery for 2 yards (tackle by Jerome Baker)
Rhamondre Stevenson left end for -4 yards (tackle by Kader Kohou)
Mac Jones scrambles up the middle for 2 yards (tackle by Duke Riley)
Jake Bailey punts 36 yards downed by Matthew Slater

The fourth drive had very little rhythm between the run and pass game. Again, Mac was letting the play clock run down to one before he snapped it. Which is why IMO as the game went on the Dolphins got better at knowing when to run blitz and crash down. Their run D stiffening up might be a product of committing to watching the play clock and knowing the Pats wanted to run or pass, and usually choose one or the other in blocks. The Dolphins kept some players home knowing Mac might run on third and long, their starters are a good defense unit. That being said, giving them back the ball with four minutes left in the half with a ten point lead and them receiving the ball in the second half was asking to lose.

The major defensive mistake:

2nd Quarter, 24 seconds on the clock, 4th and 7, New Eglands 42 yard line and down 16 points.
Tua Tagovailoa pass complete short middle to Jaylen Waddle for 42 yards, touchdown

It was a broken coverage, Mills thought he had over the top help and needed it against Waddle. Bentley, in zone, would have made the tackle but Duggar collided with him and knocked him off. Big mistake here... but by whom? Duggar seems the most at fault, out of position in addition to preventing Bentley from making the tackle. But there may be more at work here. It may have been a mistake having your best centerfielder in DMC at the line of scrimmage covering the RB. Drop everyone into a cloud and prevent the big play instead of press coverage. There's 24 seconds, it's 4th down with 42 yards to go.

This entire sequence was a major mistake, one of the few by the defense. The biggest mistake of all to this point, assuming this defense could hold down these weapons for this long.

To start the second half the defense forces another punt.

The fifth (scripted) drive, first of the second half:

I thought this drive was great, just like the first one of the game... only the outcome was better.

It was a long 8:61 minute, 16 play drive and they had the Dolphins defense out of sorts. This was classic Patriots dink and dunk offense that ended with Montgomery very wisely knowing he was untouched and could roll into the end zone. 6 runs/9 passes equals great balance in the modern NFL.

If Patricia looks this good on scripted offense coming out of the tunnel the offense should have a distinct advantage as a designer/coordinator... I think after those scripted plays is where he needs to improve as an offensive coach. This was to be expected, but I thought he called a decent and balanced games game outside of the few hiccups I highlight in this post.

Defense gives up a long field goal.

The sixth drive:

I thought there was a failure in play calling at the start of the 4th Quarter:

Damien Harris left end for 6 yards (tackle by Jerome Baker)
Jakobi Meyers left end for 7 yards (tackle by Elandon Roberts and Brandon Jones)
Damien Harris right guard for 4 yards (tackle by Brandon Jones and Raekwon Davis)
Rhamondre Stevenson left tackle for no gain (tackle by Raekwon Davis and Emmanuel Ogbah)

Four straight runs to start the drive... should have stopped at three and used some play action on the fourth. I thought play action was severely underutilized in this drive (game), especially with how well we were running the ball. Mac got hit hard on the roughing the passer penalty, a dumb chop block penalty by Andrews negated it. They had to punt, the game was near over at this point down 7-20.

The defense forces another punt.

The seventh drive:

Mac Jones pass incomplete short middle intended for Nelson Agholor
Mac Jones pass complete short right to Jonnu Smith for 7 yards (tackle by Brandon Jones and Raekwon Davis)
Ty Montgomery up the middle for no gain (tackle by Zach Sieler)
Mac Jones pass incomplete deep middle intended for Hunter Henry (defended by Kader Kohou). Penalty on Trent Brown: Offensive Holding, 10 yards (declined)

A penalty by Brown ended this otherwise uninspiring drive. I thought the draw attempt was too bunched up but have to watch the replay.

The eighth drive:

Mac Jones pass incomplete deep right intended for Nelson Agholor
Mac Jones pass complete short middle to Jonnu Smith for 11 yards (tackle by Jerome Baker and Brandon Jones)
Mac Jones pass complete deep left to Kendrick Bourne for 41 yards (tackle by Jevon Holland)
Mac Jones pass incomplete short left intended for Ty Montgomery
Mac Jones pass complete short middle to Nelson Agholor for 5 yards. Nelson Agholor fumbles (forced by Kader Kohou), recovered by Jaelan Phillips at MIA-37

A fumble by Agholor ended the final drive of the night, a final mistake.

Summation: The big problem was execution and mistakes... not talent.
 
Did you not watch Myles Bryant? Or Raekwon McMillian? Or Jalen Zero INT Mills? Or Uche?
Ouch!
 
This is something this board better get used to. JC had 23 last year which was 35% of the secondary's pass breakups. The next leader was 10 and that was Devin McCourty. The next highest CB had 7 which was Mills.
Some statistician dropped the ball because I guarantee you the Patriots had pass breakups yesterday. Without a doubt.
 
Listening to Bourne after the game, it seems he doesn't even know why. That's just a terrible way to communicate w/ your players. If the coaches gave an issue w/ him then tell him what it is so he can correct it. Too many BS games being played.

Makes me wonder if it's because of off-field issues like his extremely active SM, being a Jesus freak on it, promoting himself, & talking to the media at nauseum (being opinionated). I said this during the offseason, how Bill had changed by letting some players (Bourne, Judon) act in an atypical Patriots way. Anyway, just conjecture.
Let me get this straight:

1. Because of what Bourne said in his press conference, you believe he doesn't know why he's not getting many snaps.
2. Because he doesn't know why, he can't correct what he's doing wrong.
3. This is the coach's fault for terrible communication.
 
I'm not sure we should be placing Bourne's snap count on the shoulders of the OC.

I agree; this is coming from Bill himself, though my question remains if Phatt Matt's on-board with the idea or just following orders...
 
Everything Curran wrote in the article is spot on. In the article he gives a lot of props to Belichick but he isn't gonna sugarcoat what we saw yesterday or what he's seen from them since the start of training camp. Can't polish this turd.

"And it's because he's proactively defending decisions he made as football overlord that led to things like a strip sack that ruined the opener. He’s the one who traded Shaq Mason and didn’t re-sign Ted Karras, who switched the offense and didn’t have a succession plan in place for Josh McDaniels, which led to Matt Patricia being asked to wear too many hats (and brand new hats, at that). He’s the one who decided Kendrick Bourne watching almost the entire game is “what’s best for the football team.”

Belichick acts like he had no hand in creating avoidable adversity. But he did. And a really promising second-year quarterback with a roster that has been -- for the most part -- nicely overhauled since 2020 shouldn’t be scoring seven points and lamenting mistakes that cost them 14.

Or hearing the greatest coach of all time give them head-pats for Sunday being "a pretty competitive game from a yardage standpoint."

I understand the mentality behind taking victories where you can find them. But this was a playoff team in 2021. It was striding in the right direction. And the only reason they’re now celebrating baby steps is because the decisions made set them back."
I guess I should've known the rebuild was going to be like this but...

We're bemoaning the lack of Ted Karras? Shaq Mason? and K Bourne?

Seriously?

Karras could not run or pull or trap. He was manhandled on many occasions. Last night, he almost got Joe Burrow killed.

Shaq could do all of those things, but he can't pass block (ask Brady how he feels about Shaq after last night).

K Bourne is a really good... #3 receiver... who has ginned up an attitude problem, apparently.

Are we really bemoaning the fact that these 3 did not play for the Patriots last night?
 
I think he is.

People who expected more should readjust what an NFL rebuild looks like.

Because winning 10 and going to the playoffs in year 2 with a rookie is not how it normally goes.

By next year, this team will not have a single member of the 2019 SB champs on it other than Cardona.

Most teams who are in rebuilding mode get the luxury of top 10 picks for a few years, but the Patriots haven't finished that badly for generations now (2000). It will take time to acquire the talent, get players acclimated to the schemes, get the coach's strategy down.

Anyone who was expecting more wasn't paying attention to what all the other teams were doing.

34 years ago Bill Belichick put together a Hall of Fame defensive gameplan that shut down one of the greatest offenses the NFL had ever seen. He took Marv Levy's lunch money.

Levy resigned his positions a few years later. Since then, the Bills have hired 9 head coaches, and they went 30 years before finding a good one.

This gives you a little bit of the backdrop for what goes on in the NFL.
This is the kind of perspective I come here for. We’ve been so spoiled we’ve forgotten that the seeds for a championship caliber team are planted 5-7 years before anything even has a chance of materializing.
 
Aren't execution and mistakes part of talent, though?
No, it's entirely possible for one of the most talented players in the league to have a bad game, to have poor execution.

Even Deion Sanders or Ty Law got beat... it didn't mean they sucked or lacked the talent.
 
Aren't execution and mistakes part of talent, though?
They can be

But I think yesterday we were referring to mistakes.

For instance, the 2 throws to Parker in the end zone. One underthrown, one overthrown

Cole Strange missing an assignment which lead to a free sack that killed a drive.

Mac and Hunter Henry and even Trent Brown not seeing the blitz that lead to the strip sack

Carl Davis jumping offsides on 4th and 1.

In the case of Waddle's TD, IMO, it's more about Waddle having phenomenal speed and surprising them with it. I don't thin there's a single DB in the NFL with Waddle's speed
 
Aren't execution and mistakes part of talent, though?

Execution and mistakes can improve over a season with reps and commitment. Talent is more static, at least over the course of a season (players can become more or less talented due to offseason work or age decline).
 
Everything Curran wrote in the article is spot on. In the article he gives a lot of props to Belichick but he isn't gonna sugarcoat what we saw yesterday or what he's seen from them since the start of training camp. Can't polish this turd.

"And it's because he's proactively defending decisions he made as football overlord that led to things like a strip sack that ruined the opener. He’s the one who traded Shaq Mason and didn’t re-sign Ted Karras, who switched the offense and didn’t have a succession plan in place for Josh McDaniels, which led to Matt Patricia being asked to wear too many hats (and brand new hats, at that). He’s the one who decided Kendrick Bourne watching almost the entire game is “what’s best for the football team.”

Belichick acts like he had no hand in creating avoidable adversity. But he did. And a really promising second-year quarterback with a roster that has been -- for the most part -- nicely overhauled since 2020 shouldn’t be scoring seven points and lamenting mistakes that cost them 14.

Or hearing the greatest coach of all time give them head-pats for Sunday being "a pretty competitive game from a yardage standpoint."

I understand the mentality behind taking victories where you can find them. But this was a playoff team in 2021. It was striding in the right direction. And the only reason they’re now celebrating baby steps is because the decisions made set them back."

I wouldn't even have given Bill as much credit as Curran gave him here.
 
Uncle Dugg still couldn't cover you or me.

And those pff numbers are a Joke.
Your analysis is a joke. Outside of the final play of the first half, the defense was great.

The defense gave up 13 points, the one TD they allowed was a fluke broken coverage and the two field goals were 43 and 49 yard attempts... they weren't gimmes.

The defense can only get better assuming health. That you or anyone is here complaining about the D only proves what a negative Nancy you are.
 
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34 years ago Bill Belichick put together a Hall of Fame defensive gameplan that shut down one of the greatest offenses the NFL had ever seen. He took Marv Levy's lunch money.

Vagiants actually deserved to lose that game; but Wide Right and other Un-forced errors...
 
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Question: Are you happy with the Patriots right now? Trent Brown: “I love the Patriots.” Question: When you signed, did it matter to you which side of the line you played? Trent Brown: “It really didn’t matter at all. I can play either side.”

Alright so who gave Trent a Hamburger??
 
I guess I should've known the rebuild was going to be like this but...

We're bemoaning the lack of Ted Karras? Shaq Mason? and K Bourne?

Seriously?

Karras could not run or pull or trap. He was manhandled on many occasions. Last night, he almost got Joe Burrow killed.

Shaq could do all of those things, but he can't pass block (ask Brady how he feels about Shaq after last night).

K Bourne is a really good... #3 receiver... who has ginned up an attitude problem, apparently.

Are we really bemoaning the fact that these 3 did not play for the Patriots last night?

Mason was the Patriots best OL last year.
Bourne was the Patriots best WR last year.

Both are players in positions with issues (in the case of Bourne, it's a position with issues beyond what's happening with him.).

So, yes, it makes sense for people to be bemoaning their absence (and near-absence) last night.
 
Mason was the Patriots best OL last year.
Bourne was the Patriots best WR last year.

Both are players in positions with issues (in the case of Bourne, it's a position with issues beyond what's happening with him.).

So, yes, it makes sense for people to be bemoaning their absence (and near-absence) last night.

Neither of these guys were or are critical.

We all know the Patriots played with 3 WRs who are more 3rd receivers than top guys.

As for Mason, he showed last night why he and his contract are no longer with us. He really struggles to pass block. Brady was under pressure mainly because of the backup LT and RG.

I seriously do not think THIS season or the future of this team has much to do with these two guys
 
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