Ronnie Perkins to IR

[Zuma]

How comes we didn't get First crack?? Did Fat Matt rub him the wrong way??

It's possible they have been talking but BB decided other areas of the team need more attention.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

What's interesting is that @Wozzy has always been consistent that Jennings is more athletic and a superior prospect to Perkins. I didn't entirely agree, thought Perkins showed more potential and hadn't seen anything to garner any optimism about Jennings in any way, let alone his athleticism.

Lo and behold, Jennings is healthy and dude looks like he belongs. Physical, athletic, setting a hard edge, getting upfield with a pass-rush; he looks like the well-rounded edge in the mold of Vrabes/Ninko opposite Judon. If he manages to stay healthy and produce, a consistent presence at that spot will certainly make the defense better.

I'm very curious to hear your thought process, Wozzy, as to why you have always thought Jennings>Perkins, physically/mentally. I mean specifics, combine measureables, etc. It's been cool to see Jennings appear this season.

You can look at testing but Perkins is high cut and stiff which shows up on film. Very little COD. Jennings is put together better in terms of physique.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Derek Rivers that's who I was trying to remember what a joke of a pick.

37.5 sacks and almost 50 TFL

 

[patfanken]

You can look at testing but Perkins is high cut and stiff which shows up on film. Very little COD. Jennings is put together better in terms of physique.

You can look at testing but Perkins is high cut and stiff which shows up on film. Very little COD. Jennings is put together better in terms of physique.

A couple of questions. What does the 5.13 mean, and am I correct in guessing that he DIDN'T run a 3 cone. Or did he run a 6.33 3 cone????

 

[PatsFan2]

37.5 sacks and almost 50 TFL

His skills just didn't translate like some of the others.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Derek Rivers that's who I was trying to remember what a joke of a pick.

The problem was that he was their first pick. They used a 1st on Cooks and traded down in the 2nd. There was some hype in camp from him and had a good 1st preseason before the string of injuries occurred.

 

[goheels22002]

This has probably already been posted, but I feel bad for Ronnie Perkins, the inevitable target of the Curse of Tom Brady as the player selected with Brady's compensatory pick.

I've been studying up a little on curses and will be offering some directions on how we can collectively put the Kibash on Josh Allen and the Bills.

 

[PatsFan2]

This has probably already been posted, but I feel bad for Ronnie Perkins, the inevitable target of the Curse of Tom Brady as the player selected with Brady's compensatory pick.

I've been studying up a little on curses and will be offering some directions on how we can collectively put the Kibash on Josh Allen and the Bills.

Wow from the GOAT to the JOKE.

 

[Brotherblues]

I said it when he was drafted, he's not good enough of an athlete to play OLB, he's not big, strong or athletic enough to play DE... bad draft pick.

They can hold onto him for years trying to develop him, but he never will.

Brother, if not even you will step up to the plate for the guy... Damn... RIP Perkins

 

[Wozzy]

Brother, if not even you will step up to the plate for the guy... Damn... RIP Perkins

Why me… am I supposed to be overly optimistic?

Check my draft grades every year going back decades, if I think a player sucks I say so. If I think he’s middling I say so. If I think he has potential to shine I say so… potential is a funny word.

Chad Jackson had the most potential, was the best athlete of any WR in his entire draft class. He was a dunderhead who didn’t prioritize football, as soon as he became a pro he screwed off and didn’t apply himself. If you or anyone can tell us how we’re (or pro teams) are supposed to diagnose apathy in our predraft grades I’d be happy to listen.

The draft is a crapshoot because people are unreliable and because the rate of injury is ridiculously high. That’s why the average NFL career lasts three years and a third of the league is made up of UDFA’s. It’s an imperfect process at best.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Chad Jackson had the most potential, was the best athlete of any WR in his entire draft class. He was a dunderhead who didn’t prioritize football, as soon as he became a pro he screwed off and didn’t apply himself. If you or anyone can tell us how we’re (or pro teams) are supposed to diagnose apathy in our predraft grades I’d be happy to listen.

Many people don't realize how good of an athlete he was and why he was picked 2nd of the WR's. In fact, there was a reason the other WR's were picked after him as they had red flags to their game.

Same with Maroney. MJD and D'Angelo Williams had red flags.

 

[Wozzy]

Many people don't realize how good of an athlete he was and why he was picked 2nd of the WR's. In fact, there was a reason the other WR's were picked after him as they had red flags to their game.

Same with Maroney. MJD and D'Angelo Williams had red flags.

Talent isn’t always the reason players or teams fail.

Conversely it was the most ridiculous take in football for twenty years that the Patriots won with no talent because of their QB and coach.

People forget that Maroney was good, he was a big part of why that 2007 team was dangerous early in the year. Chronic shoulder problems led him to ruin, RB’s can’t avoid contact unfortunately.

The truth often lays in the middle…

 

[Wozzy]

His skills just didn't translate like some of the others.

Derek Rivers couldn’t stay healthy.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

A couple of questions. What does the 5.13 mean, and am I correct in guessing that he DIDN'T run a 3 cone. Or did he run a 6.33 3 cone????

5.13 is his RAS score.

Kent is one of the nicest guys I've across since doing this. Basically he gives context to the scores relative to the position. Not perfect but useful. I only care about certain scores for certain positions but most NFL players score a 7 - 7.5 or higher.

His own words.

Relative Athletic Scores: What they are and why they work

You’ve heard it mentioned, you’ve seen the hashtag, but what exactly is a Relative Athletic Score? It’s time to go into the history, meaning, and application of this athletic metric we’ve mentioned so much.

www.prideofdetroit.com

 

[Brotherblues]

Why me… am I supposed to be overly optimistic?

I wouldn't say that. I'd say you seem like a guy who gives it an honest effort at understanding the reasons why the team keeps a player. So when you flat out don't believe at all in a guy on the roster, well, it carries more weight than if some chicken little were saying it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

His skills just didn't translate like some of the others.

We had no luck bc that 3rd RD is one for the ages - Kamara, Godwin, John Johnson, Jourdan Lewis, Kenny Golladay, Jonnu Smith, Kupp, Rasul Douglas and others.

The big point is Rivers wasn't a bad pick just like Harry wasn't. Both had consistent production in college, good scores from workouts and traits you could look at on film that translate. They didn't make it in the league but gave you several reasons to draft them.

 

[Toofy]

Why me… am I supposed to be overly optimistic?

Check my draft grades every year going back decades, if I think a player sucks I say so. If I think he’s middling I say so. If I think he has potential to shine I say so… potential is a funny word.

Chad Jackson had the most potential, was the best athlete of any WR in his entire draft class. He was a dunderhead who didn’t prioritize football, as soon as he became a pro he screwed off and didn’t apply himself. If you or anyone can tell us how we’re (or pro teams) are supposed to diagnose apathy in our predraft grades I’d be happy to listen.

The draft is a crapshoot because people are unreliable and because the rate of injury is ridiculously high. That’s why the average NFL career lasts three years and a third of the league is made up of UDFA’s. It’s an imperfect process at best.

How important is upbringing, morals , ability to overcome hardship and rising through ranks, intent to prove everyone wrong .

See more of folks with limited athleticism far outperforming their perceived expectations from lower rounds and UDFA as opposed to first 2 rounds where entitlement creeps in.

Should we look more at underdogs who have always been trampled or considered as lesser mortals for no fault of theirs.

 

[Wozzy]

How important is upbringing, morals , ability to overcome hardship and rising through ranks, intent to prove everyone wrong .

See more of folks with limited athleticism far outperforming their perceived expectations from lower rounds and UDFA as opposed to first 2 rounds where entitlement creeps in.

Should we look more at underdogs who have always been trampled or considered as lesser mortals for no fault of theirs.

Nah, I mean the underdogs make it occasionally, but they're few and far between.

In 2014 I had Malcolm Butler on my list of rookies who weren't going to make it. His measurables screamed not good enough, he wasn't bad at any of them, but he was on the cusp of being good at all of them. Nothing stood out to me... he was entirely average.

He joined a team with Darrelle Revis, a corner who stood the same height and weighed basically the same. Butler mimicked everything Revis did, learned from him and the other CB's in a very experienced talented secondary. He was coached by the best defensive mind in the game. It was the perfect situation for him.

I was completely wrong about Butler initially, but not completely.

When he slacked off in 2017 worrying about his contract, didn't stick to his fundamentals or use his tools to the fullest he fell off quickly. He peaked in 2016 and was never the same player again. He didn't possess the athleticism to overcome his apathy.

Stephon Gilmore could give a 75% effort and still be one of the best corners in the league. There's something to be said for insane athleticism. The best most explosive players in the league are not surprisingly it's best athletes... generally. But you're right that character and football smarts matter a lot.

 

[zipster9]

Yet another wasted draft pick by BillB...
It's kinda depressing...