“We’re going through a process”

[WhatJustHappened]

I don't think it is that at all. Felger has said many times that the hot takes is what drives the ratings. It is kind of a weird phenomena but people love to argue. I highly doubt either him or Mazz believe what they are saying but they need to drive conversation so saying Bill needs to win a SB to legitimize his career drives the ratings.

Not sure if you remember when Bedard first started his paid content site. Felger had him on his show to promote it and Bedard said it was going to be strictly Xs and Os. Felger told him it wouldn't work as people will want the hot takes thrown in. Bedard really pushed back on that notion and then a year later Bedard became one of the biggest hot take guys out there. It kind of is what it is. You can't take any of it too seriously. It is kind of a bummer though that our local guys are so negative all the time. Well, except for Reiss.

I can't stand Bedard, and I'll never pay for that crap.

 

[Captain Cliche]

I understand you are from Buffalo so I will use small words.

He did hire a real OC, however, if he calls him that Detroit doesn't have to pay him, the Patriots do, so it really isn't very hard to understand. Should I explain using pictures???

$$$$$$$
There you go

He hired two recent head coaches both of whom were with the Patriots before, who are almost certainly more experienced in all facets of the gamet the way the Patriots play it, then some young kid from a college program who is the next great thing.

Most coaches hire OC's and DC's so that when their team sucks and the fans are calling for someone to be fired they can throw the coordinators under the bus and maybe keep coaching a while longer. Bill isn't afraid for his job, no mater what some of the morons on this site think, he is trying to get the best people around him who will help the team win.

Honestly though how hard is it for Bill to simply say he is fortunate to have 2 coaches he thinks highly of and wants to give both of them the chance to earn the OC position?

Bill clearly thinks highly of them since he recommended both Matt and Judge to be HC and brought them back immediately once they became available

Most fanbases would be thrilled to have 3 coaches with head coach experience on their staff.
It's a coaching "Dream Team".
Obviously not so in New England.
There have been many instances where the first year coordinator under BB does not get the title and none of the media heat.
This is nothing new. Matty P, Flores, Stevie B none of them had the title their first season as coordinator.

There is also the redundancy factor. If Matty P comes down with Covid or some other family issue, you need a backup...just like any other position.
I also read there is a certain "knack" to calling offensive plays...something that cannot be taught. I thought Skippy was very good at it.
This may be the crux of the actual "process" to see who has the actual knack for calling the plays under actual game conditions.

 

[n6249c]

This may be the crux of the actual "process" to see who has the actual knack for calling the plays under actual game conditions.

I thought of that. Competitive runoff. Try before you buy. Why should Bill bother to explain something that simple? It’s all much ado about nothing anyway.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

That's BB's facebook status too.

(It used to be "It's Complicated.")

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Bottom line is regardless of what bb says about the process

Our offense looks and smells like dog poop!

 

[pazrul72]

Here is what I don’t understand, the reporters by now HAVE to realize that if you bring up a current player/coach or a situation going on with the team right now no matter how many times or ways you ask you are getting his prepared response “we’re on to Cincinnati “ “just doing what’s best for the team” “it’s a process”. Getting an actual answer from BB is easy. Just go to the root answer of the question you want and ask him to explain the strategy in a hypothetical setting. I.e you want to know about the play calling situation i would bet 100$ bill would go on for 5-10 mins for “Hey Bill for play calling could you talk about the pros and cons, both from a players perspective and a coaching perspective, of having one voice so everyone knows exactly what’s coming and is comfortable having had 100 reps, versus having multiple voices which create more varied ideas?” BB loves talking football and the strategy of it. He is a master strategist, and a teacher, and asked like that he might give you a tidbit into his mindset about the current situation. I could give a rats patootie about whether it’s fat Matt or judge calling plays but I would love to hear the thought process behind whatever it is they decide is best.

 

[patfanken]

My 2 cents:

Judge and Patricia BOTH have the knowledge to coach on the offensive side of the ball. In case people forgot, Patricia was an OT in college and Judge a QB. As DC Patritica had to have knowledge of all kinds of offensive concepts and schemes. Now instead of trying to thwart them he is actually implementing them. A good coach can coach ANY position. Dante spent years as the best OL coach in the league without ever playig a snap at the position.

All that being said, I believe the reason Bill didn't hire a true OC is that he is saving the position for Bill O'Brien. O'Brien made a 2 year commitment to Bill's BFF Nick Saban and he is going to honor it, as he should. In the meantime, Matt or Joe will call the plays. AND as I pointed out before, it is a job that is important, but I feel overrated for all the reasons I have pointed out in past posts.

 

[Ross12]

Did anyone else feel that the offense didn’t look all that different while Hoyer was out there?

 

[1960Pats]

Or Bill Parcells.

Bill was trying to pull a fast one on Bill but Bill came here instead. Lucky us.

 

[Bruins29]

Offense got the lead last night. Defense let them down yet again. Patricia is not the problem. this time...

You are so smart. I mean like football genus smart Why you are not working in football in some capacity is a huge mystery

 

[GreenCow]

Most fanbases would be thrilled to have 3 coaches with head coach experience on their staff.
It's a coaching "Dream Team".

Maybe i'm just not smart enough to figure it out (wouldn't be the first time).

But I wouldn't want my plumber working on my electricity, or my electrician working on my foundation, or my mason working on my pool.

Offensive Coordinators usually get there because they've spent decades moving through the offenses ranks - from offensive quality control, to WR coach, to QB coach, to Passing Game coordinator and finally to OC. They know every part of an offense because they've worked in every part of an offense.

I guess i'm just not used to a guy going from Defensive Coordinator to Offensive Coordinator. Seems like very different experiences would be needed.

 

[Bill Lee]

Maybe i'm just not smart enough to figure it out (wouldn't be the first time).

But I wouldn't want my plumber working on my electricity, or my electrician working on my foundation, or my mason working on my pool.

Offensive Coordinators usually get there because they've spent decades moving through the offenses ranks - from offensive quality control, to WR coach, to QB coach, to Passing Game coordinator and finally to OC. They know every part of an offense because they've worked in every part of an offense.

I guess i'm just not used to a guy going from Defensive Coordinator to Offensive Coordinator. Seems like very different experiences would be needed.

Your belief in a coaching caste system is interesting.

Born to offense, will die as offense.

It's pretty clear that BB values people who came up in his coaching tree rather than people who have experience as OC in other systems.

Coaches who work for BB have moved back and forth between offense and defense before.

To coach offense you must know how defense works, and vice versa. It's all football.

 

[GreenCow]

Your belief in a coaching caste system is interesting.

Born to offense, will die as offense.

I just look at what has been successful.

McDaniels was on offense for 21 of 22 years.
Reid was on offense (or HC) for all 38 of his years.
Shanhan was on offense (or HC) for all 18 of his years.
Daboll was on offense for 23 of 24 years.
McVay was on offense (or HC) for all 13 of his years.
OBrien was on offense (or HC) for 27 of 28 years.

Just seems like most of the good OC's have been on offense their entire career or most of their career.

It's pretty clear that BB values people who came up in his coaching tree rather than people who have experience as OC in other systems.

This is a new value then. Because his former OC's ... Josh McDaniels, Bill O Brien, Charlie Weiss were all offensive coaches for like a decade before he made them OC.

This is not a normal thing to do. In fact, it has only been done ONCE before in the 102 year history of the NFL.

So if Patricia does become OC, it will be only the 2nd time in NFL history that a coach has been both a defensive coordinator and an offensive coordinator. The other guy was Bill Muir.

 

[Bill Lee]

I just look at what has been successful.

McDaniels was on offense for 21 of 22 years.
Reid was on offense (or HC) for all 38 of his years.
Shanhan was on offense (or HC) for all 18 of his years.
Daboll was on offense for 23 of 24 years.
McVay was on offense (or HC) for all 13 of his years.
OBrien was on offense (or HC) for 27 of 28 years.

Just seems like most of the good OC's have been on offense their entire career or most of their career.



This is a new value then. Because his former OC's ... Josh McDaniels, Bill O Brien, Charlie Weiss were all offensive coaches for like a decade before he made them OC.

This is not a normal thing to do. In fact, it has only been done ONCE before in the 102 year history of the NFL.

So if Patricia does become OC, it will be only the 2nd time in NFL history that a coach has been both a defensive coordinator and an offensive coordinator. The other guy was Bill Muir.

So the past is prologue?

Not possible for it to be any other way?

Maybe trust that the guy with six rings knows the situation the best?

Eight, actually, if you count the two as DC of the NYG.

Nah, let's just go with convention.

 

[GreenCow]

So the past is prologue?

Not possible for it to be any other way?

Maybe trust that the guy with six rings knows the situation the best?

Eight, actually, if you count the two as DC of the NYG.

Nah, let's just go with convention.

But he never did this when he was winning 8 rings... nevermind.

 

[Bill Lee]

But he never did this when he was winning 8 rings... nevermind.

So, doubling down on there's only one way to do it regardless of situation. Got it.

 

[denverpatsfan]

You are so smart. I mean like football genus smart Why you are not working in football in some capacity is a huge mystery

Damn. Supposed to just be a funny comment. I guess you missed the joke. Too bad.

 

[Bill Lee]

He hired two recent head coaches both of whom were with the Patriots before, who are almost certainly more experienced in all facets of the game the way the Patriots play it, then some young kid from a college program who is the next great thing.

Most coaches hire OC's and DC's so that when their team sucks and the fans are calling for someone to be fired they can throw the coordinators under the bus and maybe keep coaching a while longer. Bill isn't afraid for his job, no mater what some of the morons on this site think, he is trying to get the best people around him who will help the team win.

Totally agree.

Matt and Joe have years in the Pats systems. It's relatively easy for them to extend the system. They're already familiar with what the team demands in terms of work ethic, which is from what we read, brutal. These guys are as plug-and-play as it gets. If people haven't noticed, the extended coaching tree is all over the league these days doing their own things. It's hard to just expect people well situated elsewhere to uproot and come back to town. We should be glad we have these guys.

The offense is being changed. There's no way BB is gonna outsource that to some new hire who only knows other systems.

The media is doing their usual thing, flinging every chance they get. It's gonna take time to get it right. The team is always slow out of the gate. The usual mediots are going to have a field day whining and kvetching for months. Oh well, it is what it is.

 

[Family]

Did anyone else feel that the offense didn’t look all that different while Hoyer was out there?

It wasn't the "new" offense.

 

[Bruins29]

Damn. Supposed to just be a funny comment. I guess you missed the joke. Too bad.

If you had not cemented your legacy here as one of the biggest whiners on the forum then the satire may have been noticed. Considering a few other posters also doesn’t get it I’d say you are backpedaling now and doing a poor job at it.