Harry to Chicago for 2024 7th rounder

[Deus Irae]

Just a note, as a reminder for those who've been here a while, and as info for those who are new:


I didn't want Easley. I wanted Tuitt. I hammered on that for years, and I think that blown pick had a lot to do with the team's later problems (Easley and Brown in consecutive years was a disaster that had a huge impact on both the defense overall, and the need to make moves to address the DT spot at the expense of other positions). So I'm not keeping Easley out of the #1 spot for any reason but that I think Harry was just a bigger bust.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Richards was a stiff as a regular player, but he lasted 7 years in the league.

Fair enough.

1. Williams was taken at 45, not up in the 30's or in the first round.

Okay.

Dowling was a bad injury gamble from the start, and that was the knock on him here on the board. And, again, I take injury into consideration.

Seems like we're a minority that think Dowling was a massive risk and not a good use of draft capital. Sheard was my pick, but I'm glad BB got brought him to NE eventually.

It's why I give the Mitchell pick a good grade even though he washed out quickly because of his knee.

I agree Mitchell was solid and would've been a good WR.

Just a note, as a reminder for those who've been here a while, and as info for those who are new:


I didn't want Easley. I wanted Tuitt. I hammered on that for years, and I think that blown pick had a lot to do with the team's later problems (Easley and Brown in consecutive years was a disaster that had a huge impact on both the defense overall, and the need to make moves to address the DT spot at the expense of other positions). So I'm not keeping Easley out of the #1 spot for any reason but that I think Harry was just a bigger bust.

Tuitt didn't excite me, but wanted Marquise Lee. Allen Robinson was my second choice.

Brown wasn't a shock in 2015 and he was okay overall, but I remember Landon Collins was a hot pick for NE.

 

[Deus Irae]

Seems like we're a minority that think Dowling was a massive risk and not a good use of draft capital. Sheard was my pick, but I'm glad BB got brought him to NE eventually.

Many of us were criticized for pointing out Dowling's injury history, told we were blowing it out of proportion, and told we shouldn't be calling him Ras-IR Dowling. But it's been a lot of years, and the Dowling and Jackson back-and-forth stuff has been largely lost to memory and time.

 

[Pats2000]

Anyway it is terrible...a 1round pick...and now we get a future 7...
Honestly this is atrocious...not so much to celebrate...

We can celebrate the departure of Harry

 

[Zuma]

 

[goheels22002]

@Deus Irae beat me to it. The reason Bill took Cunningham over Dunlap was because he wanted to continue running a 3-4 and Cunningham was viewed as an OLB. It sucks because they switched to a 4-3 the following year. Who knows if they still would've taken Cunningham knowing this.

Jermaine Cunningham looked pretty good as a rookie which led to drafting Brandon Spikes, both out of Florida. Belichick doubled down two rounds later by drafting the star-crossed Aaron Hernandez. Belichick stayed away from Florida players until the pick that brought us Dominique Easley in 2013.

Other notable bad ideas from Florida were Duke Dawson, Jon Halapio, and the last gasp opportunity for Tim Tebow.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Jermaine Cunningham looked pretty good as a rookie which led to drafting Brandon Spikes, both out of Florida.

They were drafted the same year in 2010. Although I would've liked Spikes taken a little later, I loved him as a player.

Belichick stayed away from Florida players until the pick that brought us Dominique Easley in 2013.

He was 2014.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Anyone remember N'Keal Harry calling himself a "f**kin' animal" or something like that?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Every team drafts busts…this is not a Belichick phenomenon

 

[PP2]

19-0

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I hated the Easley pick from the moment it was announced... Damaged goods already, rehabs with his homies in the 'hood instead of college...Too small for a DT, even for a 3-Tech because of his compromised explosiveness... Talk of motivation issues etc... I would not have looked for him until the 2nd-rounder used for Jimmy G.

I liked the idea of drafting Harry because of our need for a WR after Cooks was traded the year before... Unfortunately I tried one more (and as it turned out to be, the final) time to IBIT... Never, Ever Again.



Easley for me, because practically Everyone in the World agreed (except for Billy & Mike Lombardi) that he Never should've been taken so soon.

I'm on record at the time saying I wouldn't have picked Harry but I also liked the pick for a few reasons. Like you said we needed a WR and this team needed to take a shot in that department. It didn't work out but you have to keep swinging.

I want to say bad results don't = bad processes but Thornton will have a big say on that discussion.

I had a 3rd on DE. Definition of someone you take a chance on in the 2nd/3rd.

I've said this before but Williams was just as bad. Top 45 I believe and he's done less than Harry so far. Ron Brace had no business being picked there.

I think so much of it is where you're drafted, not that it's their fault. Value matters though.

Like Harry sucked but put up good production, had a good combine and had some good film. He was a consensus top 32 pick. Someone was taking him top 45 if not for us. Brace, Williams, Richards on the other hand. I have a really tough time seeing another team take Jordan Richards top 64-75. Who knows maybe I'm forgetting a team saying they would have or liked them but you get a pass for Harry. We talked about why. Some of the others are harder to see imo

 

[SammyBlueCat]

N'Keal Harry Showcases Excitement After Patriots Trade Wideout To Bears

He is excited!

 

[Family]

When Easley played he did well. I'd put him in they bust category but not at Harry's level of ineptitude.

There was some stat floating around after Easley's second season that he among the league leaders at his position in QB pressures per down played.

The point is there was no statistical category Harry would have ever had been in the mix unless it was bust.

 

[mgteich]

N'Keal Harry Showcases Excitement After Patriots Trade Wideout To Bears

He is excited!

He should be. Look at the CHI WR depth chart.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Like Harry sucked but put up good production, had a good combine and had some good film. He was a consensus top 32 pick. Someone was taking him top 45 if not for us. Brace, Williams, Richards on the other hand. I have a really tough time seeing another team take Jordan Richards top 64-75. Who knows maybe I'm forgetting a team saying they would have or liked them but you get a pass for Harry. We talked about why. Some of the others are harder to see imo

Completely agree!

Teams make mistakes about who will replicate and extend college production and clearly the Pats made a mistake about Harry. He was (is) a certain type of receiver: big, strong, capable of winning contested balls, not a route runner or burner. That's OK if he plays to those strengths, and injuries are luck. What breaks the deal is his mistakes and the lack of commitment that went with that. You can't be a Patriot and not work your socks off.

Beyond that, though, there's overpaying. As it turns out, Edelman would have been worth a second-rounder by any standard, but drafting him in the second would have been crazy on what we knew then. Your point about Brace, Williams and Richards is just the same -- even if they'd turned out better than they are. (You could have added Tavon Wilson to the list.)

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Chicago Bears may have stolen N’Keal Harry from the Patriots

The Chicago Bears executed a trade this week, bringing in N’Keal Harry on a fairly cheap return, and may have gotten an absolute steal.

dawindycity.com

 

[RobertWeathers]

Only one way to deal with Harry.

RIP Paulie Walnuts

 

[WinstonSmith]

Anyone remember N'Keal Harry calling himself a "f**kin' animal" or something like that?

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[XLIX]

Every team drafts busts…this is not a Belichick phenomenon

True, but Belichick just does it better than those other teams.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

True, but Belichick just does it better than those other teams.

Why don't you go through all the other teams and do a comparison for us...