Patriots Player Departure Stidham traded to Raiders

[captain stone]

You should count players that resulted from traded draft choices.

No we shouldn't.

2007 was just fine.

No it wasn't.

 

[farn]

So is the Patriots 2019 draft class the worst of the modern era?

I’d still vote for the Raiders cutting two convicted first rounders…

 

[captain stone]

I’d still vote for the Raiders cutting two convicted first rounders…

Yeah that's really bad... Mayock/Chucky had some other piss-poor early-round picks besides those two...

 

[Tunescribe]

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Well he's got the colors right. Sorta.

Looks like his lower half wanted to go to Cleveland.

 

[VectorPrime]

I’d still vote for the Raiders cutting two convicted first rounders…

I meant Patriots modern era. The Browns have like ten worse drafts than that since 1999.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Harris and Bailey are saving it from being ranked below 2017 but it's up there. 2007 was also bad.

2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 were horrendous.

No it wasn't.

Cap, did they take the wrong guy from Miami? Should they have another guy who was continuedly mocked to go to the Pats?

Who am I referring to ladies and gents?

I meant Patriots modern era.

Define modern era?

 

[lancerman]

Have you seen the other QBs on their roster besides Carr?

They suck. But Stidham couldn’t even beat out Hoyer. There’s a very high likelyhood he isn’t better and just a waste of a spot

 

[mgteich]

No we shouldn't.




No it wasn't.

OK, getting Moss and Welker was a truly a terrible use of draft picks.

 

[captain stone]

2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 were horrendous.

Cap, did they take the wrong guy from Miami? Should they have another guy who was continuedly mocked to go to the Pats?

Who am I referring to ladies and gents?

LB Jon Beason I ass-ume?

What I do know is that Notgoat didn't even take the best available Safety at the time of the Stomper pick. That would've been Eric Weddle.

 

[captain stone]

OK, getting Moss and Welker was a truly a terrible use of draft picks.

That's not what I mean; but you knew that.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Feels like this was inevitable given Zappe's (relatively) high draft status. A little surprised they're doing it now rather than having the extra camp arm, but I'm sure they can find anyone with a pulse off the street to just take superfluous camp reps if need be. Makes some sense for McDaniels getting someone who's worked with his system for a few years into camp to help spread the concepts.

I'm guessing the pick swap is a Patriots 7th for a Raiders 6th. Can't imagine he has more value than that.

Not surprised at all by this move. Stidham had fallen off the depth chart. And they used a 4th on Zappe.
I'm just glad they got anything in return.

Do you think we could get a 6th for Harry as well? Oh wait we don't have a 7th rounder now. Hmmm. LOL, guess we're stuck with him!
I wonder if BB could hoodwink a team into giving up a pick swap for Harry?

 

[VJCPatriot]

Why wasn't N'Keal Harry traded instead of the 7th rounder?

The 7th rounder has more value?

 

[denverpatsfan]

Good riddance

 

[mgteich]

That's not what I mean; but you knew that.

Yes, I know.

However, it is misleading to criticize a draft where Belichick chose to use his picks to trade for Moss and Welker.
Belichick obviously though the available draft class was very weak. He traded away all he could, while drafting only one player for the team. His 4th rounder made the team, but was soon cut.


And, yes, I was fine with Meriwhether. That was a very poor draft class. I think that we did amazingly well to come out of it with
1 Meriwether
1 traded for a 2008 1st
2 Welker
3 traded for a 2008 3rd
4 Moss

To me, in makes no sense to criticize the quality of draftees when 4 of the top 5 picks were traded away.

 

[NormZauchin]

When Mac arrived, there were two Auburn quarterbacks in the room with him. He probably complained to Belichick. Now both are gone. Roll Tide!

 

[Triumph]

End of an error.

 

[Family]

Patriots are not getting good returns on their QB draft picks...

Rohan Davey 4th Round 2002... didn't make the 2005 team and was cut for nothing.
Kliff Kingsbury 6th Round 2003... didn't make the team and was cut for nothing.
Matt Cassel 7th Round 2005... traded with Mike Vrabel to KC for a 2nd Round pick in 2009... Patriots selected Patrick Chung... put this one in the plus column.
Kevin O'Connell 3rd Round 2008... didn't make the team in 2009 and was cut for nothing.
Zac Robinson 7th Round 2010... didn't make the team and was cut for nothing.
Ryan Mallett 3rd Round 2011... traded to Houston for a 6th Round pick in 2014... Patriots selected Matthew Wells who never made the team.
Jimmy Garoppolo 2nd Round 2014... traded to SF for a 2nd Round pick in 2017... reportedly they could have gotten better compensation but they didn't shop the player at all... that 2nd Round pick they got they dissolved in bevy of subsequent trades for lower round picks.
Jacoby Brissett 3rd Round 2016... traded to Indianapolis in exchange for Phillip Dorsett in 2017... they didn't get much production out of Dorsett, although he did have a TD reception in the 2018 AFCCG.
Danny Etling 7th Round 2018... didn't make the team and was cut for nothing.
Jarrett Stidham 4th Round 2019... traded to LVR for an exchange of late round picks.
Mac Jones 1st Round 2021... current starter.
Bailey Zappe 4th Round 2022... TBD.

3rd Round picks on O'Connell and Mallett are probably the worst... got nothing out of or back for either one.
Jimmy G was taken to be the eventual starter... total miscalculation on what Brady had left in the tank and the hasty trade to SF was just bizarre.
Brissett was an inexplicable pick at the time... basically doubled down on your stupidity by drafting another mid-round QB with Brady clearly still playing at an elite level.
I hated the Stidham pick too.

They're getting an unbelievable return.

Check out sometime how many starting QB's are first round picks. And how many failed first round picks there are.

Bill has developed three NFL starting QB's from later rounds. I haven't looked recently, but how many starting NFL QB's were picked later than Jimmy G, Brissett, Casse, Hoyer? And that's not mentioning Brady.

It's elite development.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Thats for Harry correct? If so didn’t know itd be that low

It's either Stevenson or Onwenu whose salary gets added.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And I remember a time when this board was so delusional thinking this guy was going to be the starter for 2020. Good times.

TBF, for a significant portion of the offseason, most of the available evidence (e.g., re-signing McCourty and ignoring all the available veteran QBs, not drafting a QB) suggested that the Patriots were, in fact, going to start either Stidham or Hoyer.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Patriots are not getting good returns on their QB draft picks...

As I have said multiple times, there is more to a player's value than whatever draft pick the team gets at the end of the contract. As an example, their backups from 2007 to 2016 were good enough that the Patriots didn't have to overpay for a veteran backup. That freed up something like $30 to $50 million to spend on other positions.