So how do you grade this year’s draft?

[Boomer B]

Under a moron owner? I would say yes, throw those years out.

Of course you would Timmy. We all know how much Little Timmy doesn’t like Tommy anymore. Marty Shottenheimer got to 2 AFC title games with that moron owner. Brian Billick won a SB with that moron owner.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Laughable. The guy who touches the ball about 50% of the time has way more impact then any coach. Hell, there’s been great QBs winning games with mediocre coaches for ages.

Dumb comment. Who do you think came up with the game plans and called the plays in NE? It wasn’t Tommy.

 

[Boomer B]

Dumb comment. Who do you think came up with the game plans and called the plays in NE? It wasn’t Tommy.

No, Tommy just read the D’s, called the line assignments, made the throws, etc..

 

[SHOWTIME15]

No, Tommy just read the D’s, called the line assignments, made the throws, etc..

As did 6 other average QBs who won the super bowl betweeen 2000-present.

 

[Boomer B]

As did 6 other average QBs who won the super bowl betweeen 2000-present.

Haha. Now Brady is an average QB? You’re a clown. All we have to do Timmy is look at the facts. Without Brady Bill is an under .500 coach. Without Bill Brady won a SB in his 1st year.

 

[50-yard-line]

Sticking with my assessment that the success of this draft mostly rests on Thornton.

Strange will be good, maybe very good.

Rounds 3-7 typically don’t make a draft, but there are some intriguing prospects there.

UDFA are a bonus - funny how the people who slam BB seem to miss his huge hits in UDFA.

 

[TommyD4207]

Haha. Throw out the Cleveland years. That’s comical. Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, etc… all seemed to be able to turn bad teams around fairly quickly.

Bill Walsh went 2-14 and 6-10 before winning it all in 81, and had a losing record in 82. Parcels was a barely .500 coach for his career, and was exactly .500 here. Jimmy johnson went 1-15 his first season.

 

[Boomer B]

Bill Walsh went 2-14 and 6-10 before winning it all in 81, and had a losing record in 82. Parcels was a barely .500 coach for his career, and was exactly .500 here. Jimmy johnson went 1-15 his first season.

Yup, I know that. I didn’t say they went off guns blazing and won the SB on their first year. Took them a few years but they were able to turn it around. My point was if other coaches in that era could turn it around within 3 years why would the original poster say we should throw Bills record out during that time.

 

[PScottman]

..?.. What’s with you guys?..

People are strange...and something about precipitation and disproportionate visages...

 

[All3Phases]

Laughable. The guy who touches the ball about 50% of the time has way more impact then any coach. Hell, there’s been great QBs winning games with mediocre coaches for ages.

Andy Reid is a great example of this, he used to be a really good coach who’s a choke and can’t manage the clock, now he’s been to 4 straight afc champ games and has won a super bowl in mahomes’ 4 years. Is it a coincidence that he’s broken through? Or did mahomes have a huge impact?

 

[Pats2000]

So what's your point with the Rams? They identified their primary need as OG and they took one with their first pick. They were considering Strange because they thought his draft value was around 104 when they would be picking. This isn't hard to figure out.


We'll see about the Jets but they've had an A+ offseason... Wilson was hideous last season so he needs to make a big step forward for the team to be successful.

The Bills you can forget about. I think the gap has only gotten wider from last season when we weren't even close to the Bills. They also have had an A+ offseason and they should coast to the division title next season. Do you think there's any question about the division?


He's fast... I get it. He's rail thin and won't stand up to NFL caliber press coverage. If he gains weight it'll probably slow down his vertical speed. He's not a versatile route runner and he has small hands for his height. Not a YAC receiver. He just wasn't a 2nd round pick, and certainly wasn't worth the trade up, especially when there were better receivers still available. I don't see him as anything more than our 4th or 5th receiver.

They took a guard in round 3, they were hoping Strange fell to that round. They laughed because of how much effort they put into scouting him. They had a wish and a prayer he would be there for them. They has grades on guys they wanted, because they picked in the 3rd round as there first pick doesn't mean they had a 3rd round grade on him. Are you thick or just slow about this? I've seen other people explain it to you already.

If you watched film on Thornton, you would have seen him consistently dominate his assignment on run blocking and get off press coverage easily. But you haven't, so you're out here spouting ignorance.

 

[All3Phases]

As did 6 other average QBs who won the super bowl betweeen 2000-present.

Ya but he’s 0-9 in his 9 tries without. No stat you can provide trumps that. The hope is Mac reaches elite level at some point

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yup, I know that. I didn’t say they went off guns blazing and won the SB on their first year. Took them a few years but they were able to turn it around. My point was if other coaches in that era could turn it around within 3 years why would the original poster say we should throw Bills record out during that time.

Because Bill's situation in Cleveland was different. He took a bad team and after a few seasons went 11-5 in 1994. The following year his owner announced the team was going to move to Baltimore in the middle of the season. Everyone knows that.

Ya but he’s 0-9 in his 9 tries without. No stat you can provide trumps that. The hope is Mac reaches elite level at some point

Why is that if you go into the Brady forum and say anything negative about Brady it's trolling, but these MFs are allowed to come to the main board and repeatedly talk smack about BIll? There's a double standard on this board.

 

[archstanton543]

Haha. Now Brady is an average QB? You’re a clown. All we have to do Timmy is look at the facts. Without Brady Bill is an under .500 coach. Without Bill Brady won a SB in his 1st year.

Second year. Brady was drafted in 2000 and sat on the bench for a year.

 

[All3Phases]

Why is that if you go into the Brady forum and say anything negative about Brady it's trolling, but these MFs are allowed to come to the main board and repeatedly talk smack about BIll? There's a double standard on this board.

Not sure where I called you a troll, I just pointed out the statistics and how they fit into your argument. I think if Brady failed you’d hear the same type of discussion

 

[upstater1]

Well the Patriots have lost a bunch of high profile players as well, and according to reporting the Chiefs offered Tyreek a ton of money.

In your Scenario how has drafting a bunch of IOL helped the Patriots retain Premium positions like CB or QB? They just lost JC Jackson and Lost Brady 2 years ago to what was an incredibly affordable contract.

They didn't lose Brady over a contract, let's be real.

They had plenty enough to pay JC too, but didn't think he was worth it.

Could've signed him.

The Tyreek story is different, they didn't have the money.

I would argue the money spent at WR and DE last year, premium positions, is offset by the money saved on the OL.

 

[upstater1]

Did anyone say Bill sucks? 3 winning seasons isn’t the same as SB wins

Belichick really engineered at least 2 or 3 of those 6 SBs. By the same token, he lost the one against Philly. Then again, Brady had a couple of rough SBs too. So, sure, Brady is responsible for winning 3 or 4, but Belichick was the key component in 2 or 3.

I always say that fans who denigrate Belichick for not winning without Brady are not making an honest argument. I mean, look at the last Super Bowl. A team that averaged 34 ppg scores the lowest amount in Super Bowl history? That was a Belichick special.

 

[upstater1]

The vast majority of Patriots fans see the huge changes on D that occurred in New England for the 1996 season and then the Jets in the years following that, and we credit Belichick for it. It was a night-and-day turnaround for the Patriots.

 

[All3Phases]

They didn't lose Brady over a contract, let's be real.

They had plenty enough to pay JC too, but didn't think he was worth it.

Could've signed him.

The Tyreek story is different, they didn't have the money.

I would argue the money spent at WR and DE last year, premium positions, is offset by the money saved on the OL.

They did lose Brady over money though? Theyve lost Revis, chandler Jones, JC Jackson and Brady to name some over the past whatever 5-10 years let’s say. They lost JC the same way the Chiefs lost Tyreek. They didn’t have Cap room to sign JC either if you want to go that route. What you’re saying in theory makes sense, I just don’t think it works that’s way. Players get moved regardless of how much they pay/don’t pay IOL for example

 

[All3Phases]

Belichick really engineered at least 2 or 3 of those 6 SBs. By the same token, he lost the one against Philly. Then again, Brady had a couple of rough SBs too. So, sure, Brady is responsible for winning 3 or 4, but Belichick was the key component in 2 or 3.

I always say that fans who denigrate Belichick for not winning without Brady are not making an honest argument. I mean, look at the last Super Bowl. A team that averaged 34 ppg scores the lowest amount in Super Bowl history? That was a Belichick special.

I would always say Belichick played a huge role in the dynasty. I would never use 1 game samples though to argue one side against another. Brady had a mediocre SB while the D dominated against the rams in 18, but do we forget the AFC champ game? I just group them as a package, together it was history, so far apart…one is more successful Than the other