DRAFT Cole Strange-Welcome to the Pats

[thecore762]

We had more pressing needs this draft and we spent it on the least needed position…

We are in dire need of the following:

CB1 - JC Jackson gone
MLB - Hightower is absolute garbage these days
DE - We need another guy to complement Judon, without rushers we won’t be able to keep up with the Bills.
WR1 - Parker was a solid pickup but he isn’t the guy that is going to make your offense automatically better, I don’t see him as WR1, at best he has been second best. This guy only had one season with one thousand or more yards.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

If Jones and Butler both play at their 2020 form after a year off, I think the CB position could be as strong or stronger than last year

If my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.

I love how Bill’s apologetics try to convince themselves that everything is ok.

 

[Rob0729]

I am not happy about the pick just because Strange seems to be a big reach where the Pats drafted him. I wouldn't have been upset if the Pats picked a guard at 29 since it is a need. It just seems that Strange is a player who would be available when they draft today.

 

[stephens44]

Jermain Johnson was there at 21, this is a total debacle.... I don't care about "draft capital" when there is an impact player there available and you pass on him to get several lesser talent guys later. That's just another bad draft day.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

If Strange starts at LG and plays well then I’m ok with the pick. OL was a top 3 draft priority for me.

OL was a priority because Bill created it unecessarily.

 

[ZoisKing]

A lot of folks are pretty sure here that this guy is a bust. I figure we should let him play first before we fire the coach.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

I don't recall this level of freak out when we traded Mason? So you'd rather Ference with no competition? Not fair for everyone to put this level of hate on poor Cole because BB could of kept Mason. Bottom line he didn't keep Mason so we needed a guard. Now we have one. Everyone needs to step off the ledge.

If I remember correctly the board was pissed the Pats traded Mason. Guards you can find anywhere in the draft including Strange who would have been there when they picked in the 2nd round. Dean was out there and was easily the pick for this team. Need linebackers with speed...

 

[Rob0729]

If my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.

I love how Bill’s apologetics try to convince themselves that everything is ok.

I am not saying if Butler turns into 2019 Gilmore and Jones turns in Revis in 2014. It isn't a stretch to believe that both guys could return to what they were two seasons ago. It may not happen, but it isn't a ridiculous comment to say that two guys who didn't play last year could return to what they were the last time they played football.

And I am not saying everything is ok. I said I don't like the pick. I am also not acting like the sky is falling because the Pats pick a guard as a reach at 29. Whoever the Pats picked at 21 or 29 wasn't likely to make a huge impact on the fortunes on this team.

 

[signbabybrady]

If I remember correctly the board was pissed the Pats traded Mason. Guards you can find anywhere in the draft including Strange who would have been there when they picked in the 2nd round. Dean was out there and was easily the pick for this team. Need linebackers with speed...

Dean is about the same size as Dugger I don't think BB considers him a LB for his system.

 

[1960Pats]

I have no clue about the draft other than its a complete crapshoot where the 77th pick is as likely to be a stud as the 27th. However, certain posters on this forum give the impression that the picks are all down to Bill. Is this really the case? Surely there is a process based on some sort of concensus amongst the coaches, scouts and personnel staff. I don't believe for a minute that Bill says pick X and the rest of the room just agree.

None of us can possibly know what goes on in the draft room, but my impression of Bill is that he might be willing to overrule his staff.

As for the crapshoot comment I couldn't agree more. That's why the NYFL HOF has plenty of later round picks.

Speaking of the draft and HOF, did I hear right that the HOF has only 16 players who were top picks? That seems low and further proves the point that the draft is a crapshoot.

 

[PP2]

I have one prediction: BB will draft someone who will provoke more than a handful of posters on this board to scream "WHO THE ****ING HELL IS THAT??"

Don't want to rub it in, but....

 

[1960Pats]

A lot of folks are pretty sure here that this guy is a bust. I figure we should let him play first before we fire the coach.

What a unique idea.

 

[yukon cornelius]

The problem with you and everyone else claiming that Strange would have been there in later rounds is that you have ZERO basis to make that statement. None at all. You have no inside information from teams to support that claim.

Next, there are at least 8 teams that draft prior to 54 who need an OG. EIGHT. That supports BB implying that Strange was going to be going off the board prior to their pick at 54. My bet is that BB knows a LOT MORE about the workings of other teams than any person on this message board.

So, what do you have other than public draft guides to support your idea that Strange would have been there later than 54? And please don't tell me McVay because they could have easily implied that they thought they could a steal in Strange at 104.

supposedly gained a lot of fans at the senior bowl......agree with this 100%......they needed an upgrade at starting G, they got a plug & play mauler type from all i've read......sounds kind a familiar in a way

 

[upstater1]

The more I'm reading about Strange this morning, the more fear I have about this pick. He is not at all someone with the background of a Logan Mankins.

I fear the Patriots got a good look at him at the Senior Bowl but many who watched him play game by game see a lot more holes in his game. He is not Ali Marpet either. He lost a lot of battles at Chattanooga. He sounds developmental to me, not a day 1 starter.

 

[Rob0729]

Jermain Johnson was there at 21, this is a total debacle.... I don't care about "draft capital" when there is an impact player there available and you pass on him to get several lesser talent guys later. That's just another bad draft day.

I would have liked them to draft Johnson. But you gotta ask yourself that in a league where outside pass rushers are a premium position and the draft pool for DE is considered weak this year and the perception is there is a huge drop off after Johnson, why did Johnson drop all the way 26 when everyone had him going in either the top 10 or at least by 12 or 13? There is something there that everyone missed. People don't pass on what people claimed was part of the elite class of draft prospects at DE unless there is a huge red flag that we do not know about.

It could be a Wilfork thing where the red flag wasn't justified and fell for no legitimate reason and then the Jets get a steal at 26. But may there is something and he is going to be a bust.

 

[Keyser Söze]

A definite reach IMO. Not on the level of Jordan Richards but still.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I am not saying if Butler turns into 2019 Gilmore and Jones turns in Revis in 2014. It isn't a stretch to believe that both guys could return to what they were two seasons ago. It may not happen, but it isn't a ridiculous comment to say that two guys who didn't play last year could return to what they were the last time they played football.

And I am not saying everything is ok. I said I don't like the pick. I am also not acting like the sky is falling because the Pats pick a guard as a reach at 29. Whoever the Pats picked at 21 or 29 wasn't likely to make a huge impact on the fortunes on this team.

We were saying the same thing with Hightower. If he can go back to his level before his year off. How did that turn out?

If your best chance to be decent is to count on a 32 year old guy that had a year off for to comeback to his level before and be your best corner then you are not in a good position. Gilmore is 31 and he has already drop off. There is also a chance than come TC Butler think he had enough and quit again like he did with the cardinals.

We should not be in this position.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Desperately need playmakers, and as usual BB runs away from them.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Dean is about the same size as Dugger I don't think BB considers him a LB for his system.

IQ is excellent and he's a smart player that can make plays all over the field. I agree about the size but the talent can overcome. 6'0 is on the smaller side but its not that much of a difference where you overlook a talent from the SEC because of 3 inches in height.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I think he's a good player and will be our starting LG from the get go, but I also think he would've been there in the second round and we should've taken a genuine first round talent with that pick, and taken Strange in the 2nd

if he's a starter from day one, isn't that more or less all you can ask for from the end of the 1st round? there's lots of players taken end of round 1 that don't start year one.....and plenty that don't start, ever