NFL Free Agency 2022 edition

[Love The Drake]

The better thing about Shenault is his price tag Cousin. His average annual salary of $1,924,017. He is good through 2023. Even if the Niners agreed to Trade Deebo.....what would the new Team have to pay him? $20mm?

Watch Shenault's tape. This kid might be the sleeper pick up here. Not sure why they needed to buy so many more receivers. They we're spending like drunken sailors.


"I think it’s as simple as this team just doesn’t know how to use him, especially with D.J. Chark gone for the year.


Look at this quote from Urban Meyer last year. He specifically points to Laviska’s move as being detrimental to his usage and caused by Chark’s absence. I think we can chalk his early-season underwhelming production up to it being... well... early in the season. This new (and young) group of wide receivers needed time to find their footing, as did new offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell. But now that Chark is out, they have to put Laviska in a new position that isn’t necessarily taking full advantage of his skill set.

Make no mistake — Laviska is a talented receiver. This is not on him. This is on the coaching staff that 1) isn’t putting him in the best position and 2) is being forced to not put him in the best position because of injuries."


Mr. Groh....What the hell?

DW Toys

If we could bring in Jerry Jeudy and Laviska Shenault I would do Pom Pom
cheers.
Someone needs to ping Matt Patricia.

 

[patfanken]

OK, I've been thinking and watching and reading and I finally have something to say as we inch closer the draft.

Last night I went to one of those mock draft sites for the first time. My objective was for the Pats to trade down, add picks, and come away with a CB with a recognizable name, Travis Jones, and then a WR and OLman. I spent an hour trading with various teams with various deals, and never made it work. If I traded down too far the CB's were gone. BUT if I only traded down a bit, Jones was gone in the 30/s. So in my mind the ONLY way we are going to grab Jones is to trade down deep enough to make him our first pick and have plan B for CB.

I wasn't happy. But here's the thing. There are a LOT of quality players left in FA that have been mentioned here. For example, I don't know why Akeem Hicks isn't currently on the roster. Adding him AND Flowers seem like no brainer and would instantly Improve the DL substantially and I'm pretty sure we could sign them both for about $10MM total

Hick would make a LOT of sense. Lining up next to Barmore, in his ear all week teaching the kid just how to be a pro. It seems like a no brainer.

It is also interesting to read about all the WR that might be on the block or could be cut. So much talent and every year it seems so many more come out. That is why I'm lowering my sights on getting a WR early in this draft. It looks like there are so many options outside the draft still available.

 

[PatsFan2]

OK, I've been thinking and watching and reading and I finally have something to say as we inch closer the draft.

Last night I went to one of those mock draft sites for the first time. My objective was for the Pats to trade down, add picks, and come away with a CB with a recognizable name, Travis Jones, and then a WR and OLman. I spent an hour trading with various teams with various deals, and never made it work. If I traded down too far the CB's were gone. BUT if I only traded down a bit, Jones was gone in the 30/s. So in my mind the ONLY way we are going to grab Jones is to trade down deep enough to make him our first pick and have plan B for CB.

I wasn't happy. But here's the thing. There are a LOT of quality players left in FA that have been mentioned here. For example, I don't know why Akeem Hicks isn't currently on the roster. Adding him AND Flowers seem like no brainer and would instantly Improve the DL substantially and I'm pretty sure we could sign them both for about $10MM total

Hick would make a LOT of sense. Lining up next to Barmore, in his ear all week teaching the kid just how to be a pro. It seems like a no brainer.

It is also interesting to read about all the WR that might be on the block or could be cut. So much talent and every year it seems so many more come out. That is why I'm lowering my sights on getting a WR early in this draft. It looks like there are so many options outside the draft still available.

Going forward we are going need at least Two Agholor and Meyers might not be on this Team next year. You have to figure that if we can stash two from this draft even for next year would be great. The WR Position is next valuable on O after QB we have to keep up with the times. It's going to be harder to get something for nothing now.

 

[patfanken]

Going forward we are going need at least Two Agholor and Meyers might not be on this Team next year. You have to figure that if we can stash two from this draft even for next year would be great. The WR Position is next valuable on O after QB we have to keep up with the times. It's going to be harder to get something for nothing now.

We are in vast disagreement that the WR is the second most important position, even in today's game. There are a number of reasons, but for the sake of brevity I'll use only one. Supply and demand. Its simple the college game is sending 15-20 NFL quality WR's almost every year. Just go back a few pages and reread all the talk about WR prospects that MIGHT be available In trades or FA to go along with all the potential WR's that might be available in the draft from the 3rd round on.

Besides I'm rather happy with our current WR group. Aghular, and Parker offer 2 different kinds of route trees on the outside and Bourne in the slot has shown the skills to be explosive in a lot of the underneath stuff. And do not forget the 2 TE targets and the flexibility to use Smith as an inline TE, FB, Slot receiver.

For 20 years the offense operated in a methodical disciplined manner taking what the defense gave us. Brady became the GOAT in that offense by being the captain. The guy who make all the decisions about where the ball was going to go. He was accurate, smart and read defenses as well ans any QB in NFL history and during that time he had only TWO seasons with a genuine #1 WR.

So let's see. We have a QB to is disciplined, smart and for a rookie seemed to read defenses very well and for the most part got the ball to the correct target. We all assume that he will be better with another full camp going into his 2nd year. The fact ie NEEDS to be better for this team to succeed.

BUT if he is better, then the production we will see from all our current receivers will reflect that. Last year was EVERYONES first season together. yet Jones still managed to pass for over 3800 yds. Think about what a mere 20% improvement would means, I'm all for getting better at the position, but if the season were to start tomorrow the Pats would into it with 3 quality WR's and a proven depth piece in Meyers who can line up in all three positions as well as 2 quality TE options. Not to mention 3 RB's who can catch the ball.

At this point this is an offense that needs to shore up the OL and improve the DL and CB. If that is the end result when we get to camp, then there won't be a team we can't beat in the league. And that's all I ask of any Pats team is that they play hard and. are going to be competitive in every game. And in the last 20 odd years only that 2009 team didn't fill that requirement.

BTW- it will be nice to be under the radar going into the season

 

[PatsFan2]

We are in vast disagreement that the WR is the second most important position, even in today's game. There are a number of reasons, but for the sake of brevity I'll use only one. Supply and demand. Its simple the college game is sending 15-20 NFL quality WR's almost every year. Just go back a few pages and reread all the talk about WR prospects that MIGHT be available In trades or FA to go along with all the potential WR's that might be available in the draft from the 3rd round on.

Besides I'm rather happy with our current WR group. Aghular, and Parker offer 2 different kinds of route trees on the outside and Bourne in the slot has shown the skills to be explosive in a lot of the underneath stuff. And do not forget the 2 TE targets and the flexibility to use Smith as an inline TE, FB, Slot receiver.

For 20 years the offense operated in a methodical disciplined manner taking what the defense gave us. Brady became the GOAT in that offense by being the captain. The guy who make all the decisions about where the ball was going to go. He was accurate, smart and read defenses as well ans any QB in NFL history and during that time he had only TWO seasons with a genuine #1 WR.

So let's see. We have a QB to is disciplined, smart and for a rookie seemed to read defenses very well and for the most part got the ball to the correct target. We all assume that he will be better with another full camp going into his 2nd year. The fact ie NEEDS to be better for this team to succeed.

BUT if he is better, then the production we will see from all our current receivers will reflect that. Last year was EVERYONES first season together. yet Jones still managed to pass for over 3800 yds. Think about what a mere 20% improvement would means, I'm all for getting better at the position, but if the season were to start tomorrow the Pats would into it with 3 quality WR's and a proven depth piece in Meyers who can line up in all three positions as well as 2 quality TE options. Not to mention 3 RB's who can catch the ball.

At this point this is an offense that needs to shore up the OL and improve the DL and CB. If that is the end result when we get to camp, then there won't be a team we can't beat in the league. And that's all I ask of any Pats team is that they play hard and. are going to be competitive in every game. And in the last 20 odd years only that 2009 team didn't fill that requirement.

BTW- it will be nice to be under the radar going into the season

ken our success was with the GOAT of QB's: this is not 20 years ago Mac is not the GOAT also he's not one of the better young QB's in the NFL. Mac still have a lot to prove if he's the franchise going forward. IF you don't have Very Good/Great WR's you ain't going to the Big Dance you ain't doing it with Joe average like 20 years ago the league has caught up. P.s. what did Josh McDaniels do when he went to the Raiders?? he made a move for a ELITE WR. I guess Josh doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Hey two of the Top WR's in the League are not on their original Teams guess the league doesn't value WR's anymore.

 

[patfanken]

ken our success was the GOAT of QB's: this is not 20 years ago Mac is not the GOAT also he's not one of the better young QB's in the NFL. Mac still have a lot to prove if he's the franchise going forward. IF you don't have Very Good/Great WR's you ain't going to the Big Dance you ain't doing it with Joe average like 20 years ago the league has caught up. P.s. what did Josh McDaniels do when he went to the Raiders?? he made a move for a ELITE WR. I guess Josh doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Hey two of the Top WR's in the League are not on their original Teams guess the league doesn't value WR's anymore.

No Mac isn't Brady, BUT this similarities at the same point in their careers are obvious. I understand that Mac is just a 2nd year QB that has a LOT to learn. BUT going into the season he will have basically the same receiving target he had last year (sans Parker). That WILL be a help to him as well as those receivers.

But here's the thing. If someone like Williams is there at 21, I agree you would have to take him, but that outcome is very iffy. After that you choices become more questionable as everyone else from 22-54 have questions about them as well as flaws. Remember the best WR in the league last year ran a 4.6 and yet can still can't seem to be covered

Given the question marks of people who might be available at 21, wouldn't a CB be the wiser choice?

 

[PatsFan2]

No Mac isn't Brady, BUT this similarities at the same point in their careers are obvious. I understand that Mac is just a 2nd year QB that has a LOT to learn. BUT going into the season he will have basically the same receiving target he had last year (sans Parker). That WILL be a help to him as well as those receivers.

But here's the thing. If someone like Williams is there at 21, I agree you would have to take him, but that outcome is very iffy. After that you choices become more questionable as everyone else from 22-54 have questions about them as well as flaws. Remember the best WR in the league last year ran a 4.6 and yet can still can't seem to be covered

Given the question marks of people who might be available at 21, wouldn't a CB be the wiser choice?

Oh I'm all for D with 21 but I want us to Trade up to #40 and grab one of those Second Tier WR's #54 won't cut it for one of the second tier. We have so many Third Rounders second and third year players who have turned the corner yet we don't need one more this year. Use our 2022 Third to Trade-up from 54.

 

[patfanken]

Oh I'm all for D with 21 but I want us to Trade up to #40 and grab one of those Second Tier WR's #54 won't cut it for one of the second tier.

but which one. Is there anyone in that area that might have a bigger impact on the team than say, Travis Jones at 40? BTW what would it cost ust to get to 40?

 

[PatsFan2]

but which one. Is there anyone in that area that might have a bigger impact on the team than say, Travis Jones at 40? BTW what would it cost ust to get to 40?

I don't know Bacon should know that but I really feel that 34 to 40 is a sweet spot in this Draft. It's like you're getting a fringe First Rounder. I would REACH for Jones at 21 I like him that much him and Barmore yikes Offenses. BB once said when referring to those Big Men there is only so much of them on the Planet.

 

[patfanken]

I don't know Bacon should know that but I really feel that 34 to 40 is a sweet spot in this Draft. It's like you're getting a fringe First Rounder. I would REACH for Jones at 21 I like him that much him and Barmore yikes Offenses. BB once said when referring to those Big Men there is only so much of them on the Planet.

I think you are right about that sweet spot. I have tried to figure out a way to get 2 piocks in that zone. Unfortuately the best I can do is to add another 3rd..

Interesting about your Travis Jones comment. I have thus far been afraid to make that pick that early, but maybe dropping down to 27 and get a 3rd and say 5th from the Bics, THEN use those picks to move up from 54 and get a prime CB or WR

 

[Uptown]

OK, I've been thinking and watching and reading and I finally have something to say as we inch closer the draft.

Last night I went to one of those mock draft sites for the first time. My objective was for the Pats to trade down, add picks, and come away with a CB with a recognizable name, Travis Jones, and then a WR and OLman. I spent an hour trading with various teams with various deals, and never made it work. If I traded down too far the CB's were gone. BUT if I only traded down a bit, Jones was gone in the 30/s. So in my mind the ONLY way we are going to grab Jones is to trade down deep enough to make him our first pick and have plan B for CB.

I wasn't happy. But here's the thing. There are a LOT of quality players left in FA that have been mentioned here. For example, I don't know why Akeem Hicks isn't currently on the roster. Adding him AND Flowers seem like no brainer and would instantly Improve the DL substantially and I'm pretty sure we could sign them both for about $10MM total

Hick would make a LOT of sense. Lining up next to Barmore, in his ear all week teaching the kid just how to be a pro. It seems like a no brainer.

It is also interesting to read about all the WR that might be on the block or could be cut. So much talent and every year it seems so many more come out. That is why I'm lowering my sights on getting a WR early in this draft. It looks like there are so many options outside the draft still available.

Agreed. I had the same issues with my mock drafts.

 

[DaBruinz]

 

[DaBruinz]

 

[TommyD4207]

Don't know why Tre Flowers remains unsigned;

After May 2, when he won't count against comp picks.

 

[DaBruinz]

After May 2, when he won't count against comp picks.

Flowers was released. He doesn't currently count in the comp pick formula regardless.

Flowers is likely waiting until May 2nd because he'll be able to decide where he's likely to get the most playing time. If a team drafts a DE in the 1st round, then that's a team unlikely to need or want to pay for Flowers. A team that needs a DE but doesn't get one until the 3rd or 4th round may be willing to give Flowers a 1 year prove it deal or possibly more.

 

[Sicilian]

I almost forgot this was a free agency thread!

 

[Love The Drake]

Serious question could the Patriots honestly be able to move contracts around to afford a trade for Brown, or Samuel?
I don’t want Metcalf since he said it was too cold to play in KC.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Flowers was released. He doesn't currently count in the comp pick formula regardless.

Flowers is likely waiting until May 2nd because he'll be able to decide where he's likely to get the most playing time. If a team drafts a DE in the 1st round, then that's a team unlikely to need or want to pay for Flowers. A team that needs a DE but doesn't get one until the 3rd or 4th round may be willing to give Flowers a 1 year prove it deal or possibly more.

I also read (more than one reporter) that he and Jason McCourty are rehabbing injuries, and that interest in both should pick up once they are fully healthy. I don’t recall whether the injury was specified in the articles.

 

[Sciz]

Serious question could the Patriots honestly be able to move contracts around to afford a trade for Brown, or Samuel?
I don’t want Metcalf since he said it was too cold to play in KC.

The Patriots can afford whoever they want. First year cap hits can be kept absurdly low (Tyreek Hill's $6.5M, for example), and relatively little of the caps for 2023 and beyond allocated to players already under contract. I just don't anticipate that a big trade package plus a big contract is how they want to use that future cap space.

 

[sb1]

Hmm.