A Random Thought About Jones

[mgteich]

Is there any AFC team competing for the playoffs that would prefer Jones to their QB for 2022?

I'm not in any way negative about the prospects for Jones. I expect him to play for us for another 5 years.

Also, sometimes we compare teams as if a quarterback is the most important player, but just another player. I suggest that when a team has a top 5 QB, that QB makes up for lots of deficiencies. It is almost as if the analysis of a team is completely different for those who have a top 5 QB and those who don't.

 

[sb1]

We'll learn a lot more about Mac this season. If he's really all that I expect a second year leap for him and he starts to elevate the team around him.

 

[chasa]

AFC Projected starters:

AFC East:

Tua
Jones *
Allen
Wilson

AFC West:
Carr *
Herbert *
Mahomes *
Wilson *

AFC South:
Ryan
Lawrence *
Texans Jag
Tannenhill

AFC North:
Burrow*
Steelers Jag
Jackson *
Watson *

The answer to your question is... Probably not. And thats not meant as a knock on Mac, but more so the fact that the AFC is DROWNING in capable, YOUNG, Playoff Caliber Quarterbacks.

I'd say of the borderline playoff teams(Fins, Colts, Ravens, Browns, Chargers) The colts got Ryan, but I bet they wish they had a potential franchise younger QB like Mac, And Tua is still very much so on the fence in terms of if he's their long term solution.

 

[masterbouncer]

We'll learn a lot more about Mac this season. If he's really all that I expect a second year leap for him and he starts to elevate the team around him.

Good luck making Harry look good, on half the plays he does not know his route and is lost already when they break the huddle...and thats after 3 seasons in the system

 

[doesntmatter1]

Good luck making Harry look good, on half the plays he does not know his route and is lost already when they break the huddle...and thats after 3 seasons in the system

Harry makes every catch look difficult no matter what scrub is covering him. At this point I think we keep him as a confidence booster for our corners. A scared udfa cb will have the confidence needed to compete with high profile players after they blanketed our first round pick, N'Keal Harry.

 

[Kasmir]

Is there any AFC team competing for the playoffs that would prefer Jones to their QB for 2022?

I'm not in any way negative about the prospects for Jones. I expect him to play for us for another 5 years.

Also, sometimes we compare teams as if a quarterback is the most important player, but just another player. I suggest that when a team has a top 5 QB, that QB makes up for lots of deficiencies. It is almost as if the analysis of a team is completely different for those who have a top 5 QB and those who don't.

During the win streak Mac was arguably already playing at a top 5 QB level. Whether he hit the rookie wall or teams caught up with his limitations is debatable. His detractors claim he won't improve, but we'll see what a year in the system, (hopefully) improved targets, and an offseason with Tom House will do for him.

 

[Hyped]

AFC Projected starters:

AFC East:

Tua
Jones *
Allen
Wilson

AFC West:
Carr *
Herbert *
Mahomes *
Wilson *

AFC South:
Ryan
Lawrence *
Texans Jag
Tannenhill

AFC North:
Burrow*
Steelers Jag
Jackson *
Watson *

The BOLDED above are teams that wouldn't swap out their guy for Jones right now. And even for some of the BOLDED you might argue that Jones on a rookie deal > Their expensive top quality QB.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I'd say only Tannehill as a team that was in the playoffs.

Mac really needs to work on his velocity on throws, especially towards the sidelines as they were painfully slow getting to WR's.

It's mind boggling how he got away with so many dump offs and short passes to RB's when teams should've smothered that and forced him to throw to WR's intermediately and downfield.

 

[signbabybrady]

I don't think it should go unsaid Mac just had an exceptional rookie year. So while I wouldn't expect some those teams to trade their guy for Mac I'm not sure how many I would trade him for either.

 

[Tunescribe]

Mac really needs to work on his velocity on throws, especially towards the sidelines as they were painfully slow getting to WR's.

His velocity on sideline throws was/is fine. Those are timing routes and what might appear "painfully slow" is just as much on the receiver being out of sync as it is the QB getting the ball out fast enough. I can't recall the exact game but one pass to the flat that got picked off was totally the receiver's fault for coming late out of his break yet people blamed Mac.

It's mind boggling how he got away with so many dump offs and short passes to RB's when teams should've smothered that and forced him to throw to WR's intermediately and downfield.

Why? Those are designed plays that were well executed, it's not a matter of getting away with anything. Defenses being unable to "smother that" and force longer throws is on them, don't you think?

 

[Guts]

I don't think it should go unsaid Mac just had an exceptional rookie year. So while I wouldn't expect some those teams to trade their guy for Mac I'm not sure how many I would trade him for either.

Mahomes
Herbert
Burrow
Allen
Watson(if we ignore the off field stuff)
Wilson

Those for sure I'm trading Mac for them

After that it gets iffy at least in my opinion

Lamar is a league MVP and dynamic, but I don't like his style of play

Kyler is soft

Derek Carr is interesting, but I've yet to see him take that next step to be elite

Dak is overrated

(Brady and Rodgers are too old, but obviously we would all take them for 1 year over Mac)

So to your point you're pretty much on point. Only 6 QBs you can definitely say you can trade for and be better off in my opinion

 

[signbabybrady]

Mahomes
Herbert
Burrow
Allen
Watson(if we ignore the off field stuff)
Wilson

Those for sure I'm trading Mac for them

After that it gets iffy at least in my opinion

Lamar is a league MVP and dynamic, but I don't like his style of play

Kyler is soft

Derek Carr is interesting, but I've yet to see him take that next step to be elite

Dak is overrated

(Brady and Rodgers are too old, but obviously we would all take them for 1 year over Mac)

So to your point you're pretty much on point. Only 6 QBs you can definitely say you can trade for and be better off in my opinion

I'd even say less than 6.

 

[Sicilian]

How many teams would have traded their QB for Josh Allen after his rookie year? We don't know what Mac will be yet, but the guys who end up being really good tend to progress pretty suddenly (sometimes due to outside factors as well). It's like a rollercoaster: If you've got the right makeup and support to make the steady climb to the peak, you'll eventually hit the tipping point where you take off. He's in the click, click, click stage right now. We'll see (this year or next I imagine) whether he gets over that hump.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

MAC has potential. It has been said how difficult it is to play as a rookie QB in the nfl and look at the guys who were drafted with him last year too, they flat out sucked.

If he can make good decisions and work on some other things we have a good QB. But when you’re only throwing to #3 receivers your ceiling isn’t that high

 

[chasa]

Mahomes
Herbert
Burrow
Allen
Watson(if we ignore the off field stuff)
Wilson

Those for sure I'm trading Mac for them

After that it gets iffy at least in my opinion

Lamar is a league MVP and dynamic, but I don't like his style of play

Kyler is soft

Derek Carr is interesting, but I've yet to see him take that next step to be elite

Dak is overrated

(Brady and Rodgers are too old, but obviously we would all take them for 1 year over Mac)

So to your point you're pretty much on point. Only 6 QBs you can definitely say you can trade for and be better off in my opinion

The only way i trade mac for Allen is if Diggs comes with him. Diggs made Allen an all-pro, not the other way around.

 

[p8ryts]

I don't think it should go unsaid Mac just had an exceptional rookie year. So while I wouldn't expect some those teams to trade their guy for Mac I'm not sure how many I would trade him for either.

Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert. Mac works for me.

 

[notex]

yesh... good thread.

I like Mac Jones but this sort of puts it into perspective. We are certainly "middle of the pack" in terms of QB talent. At least its better than Cam Newton having the worst QB in the league?

 

[jdlboot14]

What's funny is how the NFL is trying so hard to make Pickett and now Willis into a star coming out of the draft. This QB class is such a drop from last year. It's possible Lawrence turns into a Josh Allen by year 3, but as of this moment, Jones and Mills are the ones who have a shot at lasting more than 5 years with their original team from the 21 draft. Mostly because of organizational leadership. Wilson and Fields will get destroyed physically on their bad teams. Lance just won't last after his college-style flames out. Mac can play the pro scheme game, it's as simple as that. He'll never be Herbert or Burrow or Allen or Mahomes, but how many SB's did McNabb, McNair, Farve, Manning win when Brady was just average in 2001-2005?? It's about team and it's about D.

 

[moosekill]

What's funny is how the NFL is trying so hard to make Pickett and now Willis into a star coming out of the draft. This QB class is such a drop from last year. It's possible Lawrence turns into a Josh Allen by year 3, but as of this moment, Jones and Mills are the ones who have a shot at lasting more than 5 years with their original team from the 21 draft. Mostly because of organizational leadership. Wilson and Fields will get destroyed physically on their bad teams. Lance just won't last after his college-style flames out. Mac can play the pro scheme game, it's as simple as that. He'll never be Herbert or Burrow or Allen or Mahomes, but how many SB's did McNabb, McNair, Farve, Manning win when Brady was just average in 2001-2005?? It's about team and it's about D.

How can you say he won't be them? None of the guys you mentioned were what they became after their rookie year. There is no way of knowing. If he dedicates himself to improving, and puts in the effort, who knows what he will become. I agree much of it comes down to the team itself, but let's not sell Mac short at this point.

I would agree with 5/6, of course if just looking at rookie years, I wouldn't trade Mac for any of them.

 

[Grogan14]

Can you contend for a SB with a mid tier QB? I do not think so. Does Mac have elite potential? Only if he improves his tools every off season and they get him some weapons. If no weapons, he will never put up more than average numbers. Bill has to take some chances with acquiring playmaker talent.