2022 PTP Draft Board / Pats Draft Talk

[PatsFan2]

Need to take him in the 2nd

The run on WR's is going to be very interesting what do you think of the Ohio state boys??

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Well he better offer Trent Brown a Good deal if wants to keep Mac upright or he can depend on the often injured eight games a year Wynn.

It's great to have an opinion, even if it's "out there" compared to most. That said a lot of posters let it cloud the facts. There's nothing wrong with changing your opinion especially when it's wrong

Brown has been one of the least dependable players in the league his entire career.

Idk I try to take my opinion out of some things and stuff looks a lot clearer. It's like the people that think picking up his last year was a bad thing. He's cheap as hell and up until last year was a good tackle. It's a big year for him, especially here in NE. I don't mind Brown at all. Have no preference who plays where as long as the best players are playing but it's silly to think you can depend on Brown while Wynn is a hospital case.

Also if we're taking a Bama WR early coming off an ACL give me the guy that can change the game winning outside. Love Metchie but who's he taking snaps from? We already have similar skill-sets. Williams, Agholor outside with Bourne and Meyers inside sounds a lot more intriguing imo.

 

[Toofy]

Giving up all ready?

The top 8 teams in afc are significantly better loaded than us and teams 9-13 including us are super competitive . It would be a miracle if we go to post season. I am interested to see how the team improves and if we are able to unearth few gems in draft. So would be okay if we get a single digit draft position next year . Then start loading up for the next 5 years with Mac.

 

[captain stone]

I was hesitant about possibly selecting Jameson Williams with BB's recent history with injuried players. But word on the street is after Williams is healed he's a can't miss Blue Chip Prospect. Jameson Williams will be a very good investment going forward and it looks like we're building towards the future win win.

Fuhgeddaboutim... Bill MUST trade down, Multiple times, then grab Mac's Actual teammate John Metchie early in the 3rd round, If his own prognosis is positive..

This is The Way.

 

[captain stone]

The top 8 teams in afc are significantly better loaded than us and teams 9-13 including us are super competitive . It would be a miracle if we go to post season. I am interested to see how the team improves and if we are able to unearth few gems in draft. So would be okay if we get a single digit draft position next year . Then start loading up for the next 5 years with Mac.

Yep; this is a Bottom-5 roster (& staff) in the Ridiculously-Competetive AFC... To argue otherwise is a Fool's errand.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I don't listen to pods or these videos even though I should but this one is good.

“There is willingness to bend” at LB. Still looking for same demeanor, physical presence but know they need to get more athletic. Josh Allen blew TF up and turned into everything every one wanted and hoped Cam would be. He still has spurts but he's really improved his placement and general accuracy. His footwork has really stood out to me. At times he would get stuck in the mud. Feet would stop and it would kill him. He's improved and proved many wrong including me (I had a 2nd on him) but obviously he's made some impressions at Gillette.

Worth a listen.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't listen to pods or these videos even though I should but this one is good.

“There is willingness to bend” at LB. Still looking for same demeanor, physical presence but know they need to get more athletic. Josh Allen blew TF up and turned into everything every one wanted and hoped Cam would be. He still has spurts but he's really improved his placement and general accuracy. His footwork has really stood out to me. At times he would get stuck in the mud. Feet would stop and it would kill him. He's improved and proved many wrong including me (I had a 2nd on him) but obviously he's made some impressions at Gillette.

Worth a listen.

Thanks. If true then the Pats will be picking a DT and DE like Barmore to clog the front. If the picks are Chenal and a CB, then I am not sure there is going to be a big shift. Bentley was signed since the Podcast so that indicated staying with the same 3 - 4 approach, but maybe Bentley will be more of game specific specialist? We will see. The FA signings and the draft should indicate if there is a shift.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Thanks. If true then the Pats will be picking a DT and DE like Barmore to clog the front. If the picks are Chenal and a CB, then I am not sure there is going to be a big shift. Bentley was signed since the Podcast so that indicated staying with the same 3 - 4 approach, but maybe Bentley will be more of game specific specialist? We will see. The FA signings and the draft should indicate if there is a shift.

What I heard on that podcast is that the Patriots are willing to give up some size to get more athletic, but that player needs to play physical regardless, possibly beyond his size. And they’ll make adjustments to the line and secondary if they need to as a result. You’re right that Chenal really isn’t that different from the current approach anyway, Perry acknowledges that in the podcast. But I wonder if this means Lloyd and/or Dean would be on the radar now if they were to fall to 21? Are they physical enough for their size?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

What I heard on that podcast is that the Patriots are willing to give up some size to get more athletic, but that player needs to play physical regardless, possibly beyond his size. And they’ll make adjustments to the line and secondary if they need to as a result. You’re right that Chenal really isn’t that different from the current approach anyway, Perry acknowledges that in the podcast. But I wonder if this means Lloyd and/or Dean would be on the radar now if they were to fall to 21? Are they physical enough for their size?

I think/hope the shift will be made but this stands and falls with the d line imo. We need a better DE and NT who can play the run for example like travon walker/johnson and travis jones

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I think/hope the shift will be made but this stands and falls with the d line imo. We need a better DE and NT who can play the run for example like travon walker/johnson and travis jones

Perry brought Walker up too, and noted that given the athleticism he showed at the combine, that he did drills at the Georgia pro day with the linebackers as well. That was interesting because if he can play there too, it’s the ultimate in versatility for the Pats‘ current scheme, let alone any future changes, given his size. Pats might be all over him with 21 if he were there, but seems like he might be taken earlier.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Perry brought Walker up too, and noted that given the athleticism he showed at the combine, that he did drills at the Georgia pro day with the linebackers as well. That was interesting because if he can play there too, it’s the ultimate in versatility for the Pats‘ current scheme, let alone any future changes, given his size. Pats might be all over him with 21 if he were there, but seems like he might be taken earlier.

He will go earlier, i think there is a top 15 shot easily
If he is there around 18 i would trade up

 

[50-yard-line]

McGinn quotes!!! Love these.

Jordan Davis
Those scouts that expected him to post “freaky” testing numbers were right. His combine included a 4.78 40, a vertical of 32 and a broad jump of 10-3. “He’s a pretty upper-end athlete,” said one scout. “He’s a 3-4 nose tackle only. He’ll go second round.” Weighed 360 in mid-March 2021. Was 370 at one point during his career in Athens. Weight woes are more about his diet than any unwillingness to work. “I wouldn’t want him in the first,” a second scout said. “But if you want a guy that just two gaps and totally controls things, this guy, they don’t move him at all. He grabs the guard or center, or both of them, and tosses them off to the side. But I’ve seen him jump into the A gap and make plays. Looks like he can run, too. And he does have power pass-rush ability.” Finished with 7 sacks in a four-year career. “He’s like that fat ass from Kentucky last year (NT Quinton Bohanna),” said a third scout. “He (Bohanna) actually did pretty good (for Dallas). Davis plays a little bit harder (than Bohanna). He probably goes second round but somebody may stretch it.” If not for his mother’s insistence that he remain in school and graduate, he would have been in the 2021 draft. “He’s got the story and everybody loves him, but I just don’t know what you do with him in the modern game,” a fourth scout said. “He plays 10 games a game. He gets in and then you don’t see him anymore. He’s not in on pass downs. He’s a giant, but he has a very, very limited skill set. He can kick ass right in front of his face. He ain’t going nowhere else. He’s not going tackle to tackle or guard to guard. He’s going center to one guard for five plays a game. If you think there’s some value in that as a first-rounder, sure, take him.” Arms were 34, hands were a huge 10 ¾.

All the simulators have pushed Davis up the board, not down - he's usually gone in the top-12, some as high as #4. It'll be interesting to see how it all falls out, particularly since a couple of teams that would likely do to him have grabbed DTs in FA.

 

[upstater1]

What I heard on that podcast is that the Patriots are willing to give up some size to get more athletic, but that player needs to play physical regardless, possibly beyond his size. And they’ll make adjustments to the line and secondary if they need to as a result. You’re right that Chenal really isn’t that different from the current approach anyway, Perry acknowledges that in the podcast. But I wonder if this means Lloyd and/or Dean would be on the radar now if they were to fall to 21? Are they physical enough for their size?

Although Chenal is big, he tested really fast.

 

[ralmat55]

Perry’s podcast is consistent with how the Patriots played during their win streak last season. Much more zone on early downs with more 2 or 3 300-pound DLinemen alignments.

I wondered why it was less successful down the stretch thinking injuries to Barmore and, possibly, Judon slowed down the pass rush which is essential if playing zone was the reason.

But, perhaps, once teams adjusted to what the Patriots were doing, the Pats just did not have the linebackers to play it well. Injuries in the secondary probably didn’t help either.

Bentley has since resigned, but you’re always going to need stouter LBs for short-distance, goal line plays and against teams like the Ravens that play more heavy sets. Maybe, that’s the role they envision for him.

I remember seeing the statistic that the Pats surrendered 16 runs of more than 20 yards last season with 3 of those runs going for 40 yards or more. Getting more 2nd level speed on the field with more zone D can cut down on those explosive run plays.

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I was hesitant about possibly selecting Jameson Williams with BB's recent history with injuried players. But word on the street is after Williams is healed he's a can't miss Blue Chip Prospect. Jameson Williams will be a very good investment going forward and it looks like we're building towards the future win win.

I was very excited about Jameson Williwms until I watched "Sauce" Gardner blanket him for a whole game....still he would be a huge upgrade for the WR corps....

 

[Kasmir]

Fuhgeddaboutim... Bill MUST trade down, Multiple times, then grab Mac's Actual teammate John Metchie early in the 3rd round, If his own prognosis is positive..

This is The Way.

The draft is like Christmas morning -- except you never get you asked for.

You know you will hate every single pick.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

The draft is like Christmas morning -- except you never get you asked for.

You know you will hate every single pick.

From 2014 to 2020, I thought the drafts were beyond terrible! Caserio should have been sent packing by 2016, he was that bad!

Then in 2021, it was such a great first two days of the draft! Like a blind person seeing the light for the first time in years.

Hoping the 2022 draft is more like 2021 than the years before it.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Need to take him in the 2nd

You guys are going to kill me, but don't think that Metchie is second round material. From what I saw on tape, he does not have elite elusiveness or top end speed. He would be a good late round choice; I would not take him before round 4 or 5.

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[PatsFan2]

You guys are going to kill me, but don't think that Metchie is second round material. From what I saw on tape, he does not have elite elusiveness or top end speed. He would be a good late round choice; I would not take him before round 4 or 5.

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FredFD that's a goog one.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

You guys are going to kill me, but don't think that Metchie is second round material. From what I saw on tape, he does not have elite elusiveness or top end speed. He would be a good late round choice; I would not take him before round 4 or 5.

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If any team has any doubts about metchie’s speed, it will get around to all the teams and he will drop like a stone.

I think teams are already nervous about all his dropped balls.