2022 Free Agent Receivers - Will the Patriots Target One?

[BaconGrundleCandy]

You're dug in with your opinion so there's no use. That said literally read your own post to see how wrong you are.

Are you kidding me

Agholor
Myers
Bourne


Vs

Marquis Hollywood Brown
Rashad Bateman
Sammy Watkins

What exactly did Bateman or Watkins do last year or the year before in Watkins case that is special? I love Bateman but he was hurt and had 500 yards with 1 TD. Watkins didn't break 400 and had 1 TD.

Brown had 1008 yards his first in 3 years. It took 150 targets with him catching 90. Same for Mark Andrews. They force fed two guys, who are good but you're crazy if you think Andrews is that much better than Henry if at all.

As a collective it's clear NE had a better rec corp TE included or not.

You really think the Patriots have better receivers?

Let’s look at the Jets
Elijah Moore
Corey Davis
Jamison Crowder

Even the Jets have better receivers

Love Moore but none of those guys had more than 500 yards and 5 TD. You could argue their best WR was Carter their RB.

Jags
DJ Chalk
Marvin Jones Jr
L Shenault jr

Again last year you're really trying to tell me this was a better group than what we had? None of these are good examples lol.

Far better receivers….
Don’t have time for all right now, but the Saints have Michael Thomas, Lions have

Ok Michael Thomas and guys you can't mention without looking them up. I'll save you the trouble ... You really think Marquez Callaway, TreQuan Smith, Deonte Harris are better than what we have lol? Besides Callaway they had like 1 guy with over 300 yards!

Amon-Ra St Brown….. who is far better than any of the Pats receivers.

Again you're pointing to one guy and literally no one else. That's not making the point you're trying for.

Raiders… Renfrow

Bears, Alan Robinson is by far better than any patriots receivers.

Robinson had 400 1 TD last year. Great the year before but he alone doesn't make their rec corp better than ours. I'm sorry but that's not hard to understand. The Bears had special teams players playing WR last year.

The Raiders are your best chance & they Have Renfrow & Edwards’s, but they lost
Ruggs

I would still take Renfroe, Edwards & TE Waller over our 2021 receivers

Waller is nasty and Renfrow is good but not better than Henry, Bourne, Meyers, Agholor. If anything Its a wash.


Sorry but I honestly fail to see any point you're trying to make with respect. I mean the Lions didn't have a better rec corp bc one rookie that had a good year.

Could we be better, upgrade? Sure. This isn't the worst rec corp in the league though.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

I love when a guy doesn't let facts get in the way of his opinion. And then alters his stance to include TEs but doesn't do the same for the Pats.

No. The Jets didn't have better receivers. No the Jags didn't have better receivers. You're talking about Edwards of the Raiders as a "quality receiver" detracts from you. Edwards sucked and is on his way out in all likelihood.

Whenever I look at the rankings, The Pats
Receivers are rated the bottom of the barrel in 2020 & 21.

PFF rankings - Low numbers win !

Agoholor #93
Bourne #82
Meyers #44
Total - 219

Vs

Davis #58
Elijah Moore #22
Berrios #78
Total - 158

Vs

Renfrow #26
Edwards #90
Z Jones #84
Total - 200

Jags
Shenault #55
Chalk #56
Jones #73
Total - #184

I challenge you to find rankings anywhere that have the Patriots 2020 or 2021 starting 3 WR better than any team.

You have 31 to choose from….
Good Luck

Trust me …. I wish I was wrong, & I really like Bourne as a Patriot, but we need a major upgrade our starters to complete in the playoffs without Brady.

 

[Thelonious]

So we make a list, see? And we call it the Tedious Blowhard list. Then every time somebody accuses somebody of being a "racist," we put the name-caller's name on the list. That way, we know exactly who the blowhards are. Call it a public service.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Whenever I look at the rankings, The Pats
Receivers are rated the bottom of the barrel in 2020 & 21.

PFF rankings - Low numbers win !

Agoholor #93
Bourne #82
Meyers #44
Total - 219

Vs

Davis #58
Elijah Moore #22
Berrios #78
Total - 158

Vs

Renfrow #26
Edwards #90
Z Jones #84
Total - 200

Jags
Shenault #55
Chalk #56
Jones #73
Total - #184

I challenge you to find rankings anywhere that have the Patriots 2020 or 2021 starting 3 WR better than any team.

You have 31 to choose from….
Good Luck

Trust me …. I wish I was wrong, & I really like Bourne as a Patriot, but we need a major upgrade our starters to complete in the playoffs without Brady.

Tough to take this serious. Assuming sarcasm?

 

[upstater1]

People are giving up on Agholor without asking why he had a stellar season with Carr the year prior and only dropped off with a rookie QB.

Mac is great, I believe in him, but he was a rookie and slow to diagnose long developing plays. That's normal.

 

[notex]

Ravens, Jete, Jags, Bears, Texans, Saints, Lions, Raiders

I agree Pats dont have "worst in league" but I also think we need to upgrade the position.

- Ravens - Yes... but their offense is built around devastating run game and mobile QB and have an (arguably) top 5 TE in the league which makes up for WR talent (No, Hunter Henry isnt just as good).
- Jets are an absolute dumpster fire of an organization
- Jags -- See above
- Texans - not much better
- Saints - Have arguably the best WR in the game in Michael Thomas (at least top 5)
- Lions - Are we really comparing ourselves to Lions
- Raiders - Sure, I wlil give you that one.

Instead, look at Pats vs. all the other playoff teams.... or even better, vs. superbowl contenders. Bills, Chiefs, Bucs, Packers, Rams, Bengals.. There is a huge talent gap there.

 

[jdlboot14]

A hard NO on Julio! The guy looks beat.
As far as Agholor - it seems we have no other choice. Of course anyone can be better.
Mac has a lot to do with it, but so does Nelson. So with a full offseason together and 2nd year jump for Mac, the passing game should be a lot better. But, the big elephant is - we lost the most important offensive coaches and half of the OL.
So, it truly might be fair to expect a similar result this year.

 

[pats_premi]

Julio Jones is too old and burnt out like Rodney Harrison. So, it is right time to sign him.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Ok so everything I said stands.

I agree Pats dont have "worst in league" but I also think we need to upgrade the position.

I was asked to name one team that had a worse WR/Rec corp and named several which no one has refuted.

- Ravens - Yes... but their offense is built around devastating run game and mobile QB and have an (arguably) top 5 TE in the league which makes up for WR talent (No, Hunter Henry isnt just as good).

Again I was just asked to name team and provided several. You're nuts if you don't think Henry is on Andrews level. One guy is getting 150 targets and one is barely cracking the top 20. Andrews is a fine player but he pretending there's a big gap in actual football play, not fantasy stats isn't correct. Ertz, Gesicki, Henry, give them all 150 targets and all would produce those #'s.

Also the fact that Jackson has thrown 80+ TD with that terrible group and no one brings it up is something else.

- Jets are an absolute dumpster fire of an organization

Agreed but they still have a worse rec corp

- Jags -- See above

See above

- Texans - not much better

See above

- Saints - Have arguably the best WR in the game in Michael Thomas (at least top 5)

Ok and who else? No one would rattle off their names if I didn't already bring them up. Is Michael Thomas really better than our entire rec corp? Of course not.

- Lions - Are we really comparing ourselves to Lions

Not trying to be a DH but I'm just answering a question and bringing up multiple teams.

- Raiders - Sure, I wlil give you that one.

All the examples are good if you're objective let's be honest.

Instead, look at Pats vs. all the other playoff teams.... or even better, vs. superbowl contenders. Bills, Chiefs, Bucs, Packers, Rams, Bengals.. There is a huge talent gap there.

This wasn't the question. Also after Adams who does GB have that we absolutely have to have? Their fans have been screaming for WR help for years lol. You could probably add them as well. One guy, Adams, isn't better or more talented then our entire group. Again that's something I'd expect to hear from a 15 yo or casual fan with respect.

Can we upgrade the group. Absolutely. I've said as much for a while but this group isn't bad at all. Guys like Stafford and Jackson and others have put up 3/1 TD INT ratio with less talent. Again I'm just showing how silly it is to call this group the worst in the league.

 

[mgteich]

You want to resign Hightower?

Please read the post again.

The list is of players that need to be re-signed OR REPLACED as being a higher priority than receiver.

Some have been re-signed: McCourty, White and Folk.

One COULD argue that Wilson replaced Bentley.

I still believe that these re-signs/replacements have a higher priority than receiver (although the priorities could be addressed in the draft)
Hightower
Jackson
Brown
Karras
Van Noy (added by the team's action)

Arguably, we have added a hole by cutting Mason. I consider 2021 backup Onwenu as stepping into Mason's RG starting role. I believe the team judged that Onwenu was ready to start in 2021, but was not a better LG than Karras, or a better RT than Brown or even Herron.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Top 3 WRs for the last 5 SB winners (non Pats):

145 recs, 1947yds, 16TD
50 recs, 802yds, 6TD
45+27recs, 556+305yds, 9TD (Woods and Beckham)

70 recs, 1006yds, 13TD
65 recs, 840yds, 7TD
45 recs, 483yds, 4TD

58 recs, 860yds, 7TD (wasn't even top 20 in Yds/Rec)
52 recs, 673yds, 3TD }<- This is the high powered Chiefs offense.
32 recs, 449yds, 4TD

62 recs, 768yds, 8TD
57 recs, 789yds, 9TD
36 recs, 430yds, 2TD

105 recs, 1304yds, 6TD
76 recs, 1135yds, 6TD
22 recs, 207yds, 0TD

Yes, I know there aren't any TEs or RBs on that list, but we have a pretty darn good TE (HH) and high rec RB (JW), so that's moot for me, anyway.

 

[DaBruinz]

Whenever I look at the rankings, The Pats
Receivers are rated the bottom of the barrel in 2020 & 21.

PFF rankings - Low numbers win !

Agoholor #93
Bourne #82
Meyers #44
Total - 219

Vs

Davis #58
Elijah Moore #22
Berrios #78
Total - 158

Vs

Renfrow #26
Edwards #90
Z Jones #84
Total - 200

Jags
Shenault #55
Chalk #56
Jones #73
Total - #184

I challenge you to find rankings anywhere that have the Patriots 2020 or 2021 starting 3 WR better than any team.

You have 31 to choose from….
Good Luck

Trust me …. I wish I was wrong, & I really like Bourne as a Patriot, but we need a major upgrade our starters to complete in the playoffs without Brady.

You ARE wrong. Those numbers don't mean Jack sh*t. They are PFF's ARBITRARY number based on their ARBITRARY rankings.

Only you would think that adding the ranking number together would mean a damn thing. Seriously. The more you post, the more you show everyone how little you know.

 

[DaBruinz]

Whenever I look at the rankings, The Pats
Receivers are rated the bottom of the barrel in 2020 & 21.

PFF rankings - Low numbers win !

Agoholor #93
Bourne #82
Meyers #44
Total - 219

Vs

Davis #58
Elijah Moore #22
Berrios #78
Total - 158

Vs

Renfrow #26
Edwards #90
Z Jones #84
Total - 200

Jags
Shenault #55
Chalk #56
Jones #73
Total - #184

I challenge you to find rankings anywhere that have the Patriots 2020 or 2021 starting 3 WR better than any team.

You have 31 to choose from….
Good Luck

Trust me …. I wish I was wrong, & I really like Bourne as a Patriot, but we need a major upgrade our starters to complete in the playoffs without Brady.

Here are the 2021 numbers. Not sure why YOU insisted on including 2020 when they have ZERO bearing on the discussion when neither Bourne nor Agholor were on the Patriots. (NOTE: The fact that Harry was ranked #56 ahead of Agholor is proof that PFF's numbers are arbitrary).

 

[50-yard-line]

Again I was just asked to name team and provided several. You're nuts if you don't think Henry is on Andrews level. One guy is getting 150 targets and one is barely cracking the top 20. Andrews is a fine player but he pretending there's a big gap in actual football play, not fantasy stats isn't correct. Ertz, Gesicki, Henry, give them all 150 targets and all would produce those #'s.

And that's the whole ball game right there.

If you're going to throw 30 passes fairly equally to six different players, none are going to look like #1Wrs. It's just MATH.

No one on the Patriots got anywhere near 10 targets a game last year.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Apparently the answer was Ty Montgomery...

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Ok so everything I said stands.

I was asked to name one team that had a worse WR/Rec corp and named several which no one has refuted.

Again I was just asked to name team and provided several. You're nuts if you don't think Henry is on Andrews level. One guy is getting 150 targets and one is barely cracking the top 20. Andrews is a fine player but he pretending there's a big gap in actual football play, not fantasy stats isn't correct. Ertz, Gesicki, Henry, give them all 150 targets and all would produce those #'s.

Also the fact that Jackson has thrown 80+ TD with that terrible group and no one brings it up is something else.

Agreed but they still have a worse rec corp

See above

See above

Ok and who else? No one would rattle off their names if I didn't already bring them up. Is Michael Thomas really better than our entire rec corp? Of course not.

Not trying to be a DH but I'm just answering a question and bringing up multiple teams.

All the examples are good if you're objective let's be honest.

This wasn't the question. Also after Adams who does GB have that we absolutely have to have? Their fans have been screaming for WR help for years lol. You could probably add them as well. One guy, Adams, isn't better or more talented then our entire group. Again that's something I'd expect to hear from a 15 yo or casual fan with respect.

Can we upgrade the group. Absolutely. I've said as much for a while but this group isn't bad at all. Guys like Stafford and Jackson and others have put up 3/1 TD INT ratio with less talent. Again I'm just showing how silly it is to call this group the worst in the league.

All you offered is your opinion.

That & 99 cents will get me a coffee at
Cumberland farms.

Show me any type of ranking that shows
The Pats WR were rated better than any team.

I showed PFF rating show them the Pats at the bottom of the barrel

Now let’s address the real issue….

Do you really think our receivers do not need a major upgrade?

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Here are the 2021 numbers. Not sure why YOU insisted on including 2020 when they have ZERO bearing on the discussion when neither Bourne nor Agholor were on the Patriots. (NOTE: The fact that Harry was ranked #56 ahead of Agholor is proof that PFF's numbers are arbitrary).

I only mentioned 2020, because I made this same post last year too.

I feel we have had the worst WR in the NFL the past 2 seasons.


Your PFF rankings?
Do you have the actual link?
Those PFF rankings do not match what I see & why doesn’t Jax include DJ Chark who Although hurt in 2021, he is probably their best receiver.

Now let me ask you……

Do you really think our current receiver core is ….,

Above average
Average
Below average…… Gets my vote 100%.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

All you offered is your opinion.

That & 99 cents will get me a coffee at
Cumberland farms.

Show me any type of ranking that shows
The Pats WR were rated better than any team.

I showed PFF rating show them the Pats at the bottom of the barrel

Now let’s address the real issue….

Do you really think our receivers do not need a major upgrade?

It's 2022 no one takes PFF seriously anymore lol. I don't expect you to admit you're wrong but you look silly bringing up PFF.

These are the guys you're relying on lol ...




My opinion > pretty boys that don't know ball and Europeans working for a visa.

There's like 3 people who are good there and they're useless save for snaps by position and stuff like that. Their basically a fantasy football outlet that couldn't grade trench play to save their lives.

*edit*
I didn't just give my opinion. I listed several teams with WR barley cracking 500 yards or a team like the Ravens who force feed two players.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Guys please help with this wicked tough question???

Who's more valuable, Myles Garrett or Golden Tate.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

It's 2022 no one takes PFF seriously anymore lol. I don't expect you to admit you're wrong but you look silly bringing up PFF.

These are the guys you're relying on lol ...




My opinion > pretty boys that don't know ball and Europeans working for a visa.

There's like 3 people who are good there and they're useless save for snaps by position and stuff like that. Their basically a fantasy football outlet that couldn't grade trench play to save their lives.

*edit*
I didn't just give my opinion. I listed several teams with WR barley cracking 500 yards or a team like the Ravens who force feed two players.

Let me ask you an honest opinion.

We are both Pats fans, but this is a simple question.

If you had to rank the Patriots WR from 2020 & 2021 talent and performance level, would you rate them…..

Above average
Average
Below Average - Gets my vote 100%