OT: Rodgers stayed with GB in 2022 (old thread got necro’d)

[Guts]

 

[Sect140]

Brady is easily the greatest regular season QB; people are just too stupid to realize it, including the MVP/award voters.

I thought everyone would’ve known what I meant by this but I guess not. Don’t worry it wasn’t a knock on Brady.

 

[crawhammer]

I would give the edge to Manning over Rodgers since he performed well on two teams during the regular season. Brady has all the records but of course it took him 3 more years to achieve what Manning did in 17 years.

Brady's better than both in the regular season, postseason and of course in total but Manning vs Rodgers (regular season) is a legitimate debate. Right now Manning probably has the edge but that's likely to change by the time Rodgers retires.

As it stands now...

Peyton Manning
5 MVPs (3x second place)
3 times led NFL in passing yards
4 times led NFL in passing TDs
3 times led NFL in passer rating
14 times over 4000 passing yards
270.5 career Y/G
5.7% career TD%
2.7% career INT% (46th all-time)

Aaron Rodgers
4 MVPs (received 2 votes one other season)
0 times led NFL in passing yards
2 times led NFL in passing TDs
4 times led NFL in passer rating
10 times over 4000 passing yards
259.9 career Y/G
6.3% career TD%
1.3% career INT% (1st all-time)

It's close but Manning has a slight edge. If you add in the postseasons then it gets even murkier. Neither has come through in the postseason but even in his two SB winning postseasons Manning got dragged across the finish line by his team's defenses. Of his 27 postseason games he had two games where he absolutely lit up the Broncos in wild cards matchups, but otherwise he was a mostly a mediocre postseason player. Rodgers has been mostly good in the postseason unless he's playing in the conference championship, when he's bad, which obviously is a problem. Overall careers, Manning still has the edge because he has that second SB ring, which whether he deserved it or not, really salvaged his legacy. If Rodgers closes out his career with just the one ring, it's going to be a major fail.

 

[Wordsmyth]

Good. Fraudgers can choke for the next four years too.

 

[1960Pats]

Don't listen to those idiots.

I don't get it. It's like listening to music that you don't like when all you have to do is turn it off.

 

[1960Pats]

One might argue, for the sake of her back, she needs a reduction.

That's the thing that Alan Harper said to Chelsea that woke up his brother Charlie from a sound sleep.

 

[1960Pats]

Brady's better than both in the regular season, postseason and of course in total but Manning vs Rodgers (regular season) is a legitimate debate. Right now Manning probably has the edge but that's likely to change by the time Rodgers retires.

As it stands now...

Peyton Manning
5 MVPs (3x second place)
3 times led NFL in passing yards
4 times led NFL in passing TDs
3 times led NFL in passer rating
14 times over 4000 passing yards
270.5 career Y/G
5.7% career TD%
2.7% career INT% (46th all-time)

Aaron Rodgers
4 MVPs (received 2 votes one other season)
0 times led NFL in passing yards
2 times led NFL in passing TDs
4 times led NFL in passer rating
10 times over 4000 passing yards
259.9 career Y/G
6.3% career TD%
1.3% career INT% (1st all-time)

It's close but Manning has a slight edge. If you add in the postseasons then it gets even murkier. Neither has come through in the postseason but even in his two SB winning postseasons Manning got dragged across the finish line by his team's defenses. Of his 27 postseason games he had two games where he absolutely lit up the Broncos in wild cards matchups, but otherwise he was a mostly a mediocre postseason player. Rodgers has been mostly good in the postseason unless he's playing in the conference championship, when he's bad, which obviously is a problem. Overall careers, Manning still has the edge because he has that second SB ring, which whether he deserved it or not, really salvaged his legacy. If Rodgers closes out his career with just the one ring, it's going to be a major fail.

This year proved what I already knew. MVP awards are meaningless and not worth listing.

Rodgers and PEDton have a lot in common. They both played in a weak division and piled up wins while choking in the playoffs. What is their total, 12 one and done playoffs? Many times with the top seed.

All this time it was money that Rodgers was after in addition to the attention. Who knew?

 

[mgteich]

Packers are now a worse team

They will be when they meet the cap limit next week.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Brady's better than both in the regular season, postseason and of course in total but Manning vs Rodgers (regular season) is a legitimate debate. Right now Manning probably has the edge but that's likely to change by the time Rodgers retires.

As it stands now...

Peyton Manning
5 MVPs (3x second place)
3 times led NFL in passing yards
4 times led NFL in passing TDs
3 times led NFL in passer rating
14 times over 4000 passing yards
270.5 career Y/G
5.7% career TD%
2.7% career INT% (46th all-time)

Aaron Rodgers
4 MVPs (received 2 votes one other season)
0 times led NFL in passing yards
2 times led NFL in passing TDs
4 times led NFL in passer rating
10 times over 4000 passing yards
259.9 career Y/G
6.3% career TD%
1.3% career INT% (1st all-time)

It's close but Manning has a slight edge. If you add in the postseasons then it gets even murkier. Neither has come through in the postseason but even in his two SB winning postseasons Manning got dragged across the finish line by his team's defenses. Of his 27 postseason games he had two games where he absolutely lit up the Broncos in wild cards matchups, but otherwise he was a mostly a mediocre postseason player. Rodgers has been mostly good in the postseason unless he's playing in the conference championship, when he's bad, which obviously is a problem. Overall careers, Manning still has the edge because he has that second SB ring, which whether he deserved it or not, really salvaged his legacy. If Rodgers closes out his career with just the one ring, it's going to be a major fail.

Manning was one one of the best quarterbacks ever, though he had one huge flaw: superstars win games, but when Manning got into the postseason, he would play it safe, avoid “losing the game,” and fail to deliver the same high level plays when the team needed him most. That’s where Brady was his polar oppposite and understood the postseason is the ultimate **** measuring contest and the worst time for a superstar quarterback to rely on teammates to carry him.

Rodgers, on the other hand, doesn’t belong in the same discussion. Rodgers is essentially a performance artist and not a quarterback, or imagine an individual performer like a figure skater relying on judge’s marks participating in a team sport. He’s truly a fraud…I’ve never seen an “all-time great” athlete in any sport who approaches his level of selfishness.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady's better than both in the regular season, postseason and of course in total but Manning vs Rodgers (regular season) is a legitimate debate. Right now Manning probably has the edge but that's likely to change by the time Rodgers retires.

As it stands now...

Peyton Manning
5 MVPs (3x second place)
3 times led NFL in passing yards
4 times led NFL in passing TDs
3 times led NFL in passer rating
14 times over 4000 passing yards
270.5 career Y/G
5.7% career TD%
2.7% career INT% (46th all-time)

Aaron Rodgers
4 MVPs (received 2 votes one other season)
0 times led NFL in passing yards
2 times led NFL in passing TDs
4 times led NFL in passer rating
10 times over 4000 passing yards
259.9 career Y/G
6.3% career TD%
1.3% career INT% (1st all-time)

It's close but Manning has a slight edge. If you add in the postseasons then it gets even murkier. Neither has come through in the postseason but even in his two SB winning postseasons Manning got dragged across the finish line by his team's defenses. Of his 27 postseason games he had two games where he absolutely lit up the Broncos in wild cards matchups, but otherwise he was a mostly a mediocre postseason player. Rodgers has been mostly good in the postseason unless he's playing in the conference championship, when he's bad, which obviously is a problem. Overall careers, Manning still has the edge because he has that second SB ring, which whether he deserved it or not, really salvaged his legacy. If Rodgers closes out his career with just the one ring, it's going to be a major fail.

Manning does get the edge over Rodgers for now. I would put Peyton top 3 all time. Manning took his team to multiple super bowls whereas Rodgers has not and that's not even counting the Broncos carrying him in 2015. Manning's biggest issue to me was always coaching. Dungy was good and so was Kubiak, but neither was an elite coach like BB. Bill would have corrected his mistakes early on in his career like happy feet, etc . Rodgers failure to get his team to the super bowl this year really opened my eyes. He did nothing in the divisional round vs a good, but not great SF team that had a QB playing with one arm. This was GB's year to win the SB and he came up short again.

 

[crawhammer]

Manning was one one of the best quarterbacks ever, though he had one huge flaw: superstars win games, but when Manning got into the postseason, he would play it safe, avoid “losing the game,” and fail to deliver the same high level plays when the team needed him most. That’s where Brady was his polar oppposite and understood the postseason is the ultimate **** measuring contest and the worst time for a superstar quarterback to rely on teammates to carry him.

Being carried by his teammates worked twice for Manning. He played one good half of football in the 2006 postseason (unfortunately the second half against NE). In the wild card game vs KC Manning had 1 TD and 3 INTs; the Indy defense held KC to a ridiculous 126 total yards of offense. In the divisional game vs Baltimore Manning had 0 TD and 2 INTs; the Indy defense held Baltimore to 244 total yards and forced 4 turnovers in a game that featured 7 FGs (5 by Vinatieri). In the SB Manning had 1 TD and 1 INT; the Indy defense held Chicago to 265 total yards and forced 5 turnovers. That Indy defense forced 13 turnovers that postseason to offset Manning's 7 INTs.

Manning was toast by the 2015 postseason after having completely fallen apart during the regular season. His last 6 regular season starts he had 4 TDs and 14 INTs. His tank was completely empty by the SB but fortunately for him Newton matched his incompetence and the Denver defense carried the day.

Overall in Super Bowls Manning is 2-2 with only 3 TDs and 5 INTs.

Rodgers, on the other hand, doesn’t belong in the same discussion. Rodgers is essentially a performance artist and not a quarterback, or imagine an individual performer like a figure skater relying on judge’s marks participating in a team sport. He’s truly a fraud…I’ve never seen an “all-time great” athlete in any sport who approaches his level of selfishness.

Rodgers is a prima-donna for sure. It's hard to think of another professional athlete who is so unlikeable based on personality alone. However, regarding his place in football history, he absolutely belongs in the discussion of all-time great quarterbacks. He's somewhere in the back half of the all-time top 10 QBs, at least, right? Who are you putting in front of him?

Obviously Brady and Montana. Peyton Manning is in the top 5. Most people have Elway in there. Brees? Does he rank higher than Rodgers? That's another interesting debate I suppose. Rodgers has surpassed the other all-time great QB of his franchise Brett Favre. I would make an argument for Bradshaw with his exceptional postseason accomplishments and 4 rings. Does Steve Young slot in a head of Rodgers? Johnny Unitas? Marino is in there somewhere too but the 0 rings is a huge problem for him.

Overall I don't think there's a legitimate argument for keeping Rodgers out of the all-time top 10 list.

Manning does get the edge over Rodgers for now. I would put Peyton top 3 all time. Manning took his team to multiple super bowls whereas Rodgers has not and that's not even counting the Broncos carrying him in 2015. Manning's biggest issue to me was always coaching. Dungy was good and so was Kubiak, but neither was an elite coach like BB. Bill would have corrected his mistakes early on in his career like happy feet, etc .

Remember Manning was a dome quarterback for most of his career so I highly doubt he would have duplicated his accomplishments playing in New England. There's also no evidence to suggest Belichick could have won at such a high level with another quarterback so there's certainly no guarantee he would have stomped out Manning's bad habits (or chokiness). I don't think coaching held Manning back, he won with two different HCs, and he didn't play well in any of his Super Bowl appearances. He just wasn't a good or clutch postseason quarterback... he only had two fourth-quarter comebacks in his postseason career... the AFCCG in '06 and a divisional in '17 where overall he played poorly. Brady had more fourth-quarter comebacks in Super Bowls alone (3). Brady also won with two different HCs and at least one of them we know is a stiff.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Rodgers is a prima-donna for sure. It's hard to think of another professional athlete who is so unlikeable based on personality alone. However, regarding his place in football history, he absolutely belongs in the discussion of all-time great quarterbacks. He's somewhere in the back half of the all-time top 10 QBs, at least, right? Who are you putting in front of him?

For Super Bowl era, yes, he'd be top-10. For all-time: Brady, Graham, Baugh, Montana, Luckman, Starr, Staubach, Unitas are top 8. Manning and Young are probably 9-10. A bunch of guys have similar claims to the next tier, based on different strengths: Elway, Dawson, Marino, Bradshaw, Van Brocklin, Rodgers, Herber, Brees, Favre, Tarkenton.

Rodgers is somewhere in there...soon he will be surpassed in all his efficiency marks just like everyone else who came before him.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Being carried by his teammates worked twice for Manning. He played one good half of football in the 2006 postseason (unfortunately the second half against NE). In the wild card game vs KC Manning had 1 TD and 3 INTs; the Indy defense held KC to a ridiculous 126 total yards of offense. In the divisional game vs Baltimore Manning had 0 TD and 2 INTs; the Indy defense held Baltimore to 244 total yards and forced 4 turnovers in a game that featured 7 FGs (5 by Vinatieri). In the SB Manning had 1 TD and 1 INT; the Indy defense held Chicago to 265 total yards and forced 5 turnovers. That Indy defense forced 13 turnovers that postseason to offset Manning's 7 INTs.

Manning was toast by the 2015 postseason after having completely fallen apart during the regular season. His last 6 regular season starts he had 4 TDs and 14 INTs. His tank was completely empty by the SB but fortunately for him Newton matched his incompetence and the Denver defense carried the day.

Overall in Super Bowls Manning is 2-2 with only 3 TDs and 5 INTs.


Rodgers is a prima-donna for sure. It's hard to think of another professional athlete who is so unlikeable based on personality alone. However, regarding his place in football history, he absolutely belongs in the discussion of all-time great quarterbacks. He's somewhere in the back half of the all-time top 10 QBs, at least, right? Who are you putting in front of him?

Obviously Brady and Montana. Peyton Manning is in the top 5. Most people have Elway in there. Brees? Does he rank higher than Rodgers? That's another interesting debate I suppose. Rodgers has surpassed the other all-time great QB of his franchise Brett Favre. I would make an argument for Bradshaw with his exceptional postseason accomplishments and 4 rings. Does Steve Young slot in a head of Rodgers? Johnny Unitas? Marino is in there somewhere too but the 0 rings is a huge problem for him.

Overall I don't think there's a legitimate argument for keeping Rodgers out of the all-time top 10 list.


Remember Manning was a dome quarterback for most of his career so I highly doubt he would have duplicated his accomplishments playing in New England. There's also no evidence to suggest Belichick could have won at such a high level with another quarterback so there's certainly no guarantee he would have stomped out Manning's bad habits (or chokiness). I don't think coaching held Manning back, he won with two different HCs, and he didn't play well in any of his Super Bowl appearances. He just wasn't a good or clutch postseason quarterback... he only had two fourth-quarter comebacks in his postseason career... the AFCCG in '06 and a divisional in '17 where overall he played poorly. Brady had more fourth-quarter comebacks in Super Bowls alone (3). Brady also won with two different HCs and at least one of them we know is a stiff.

I'm sorry, but I am going with the GOAT HC over a bunch of forum posters. And remember, Manning owns Brady in the AFCCG (3-1). In fact, the last time Brady beat a Manning in the postseason was in 2004.

Bill Belichick says Peyton Manning is 'definitely the best quarterback I've coached against'

The coach and QB had some legendary duels during the last two decades

www.cbssports.com

"He is definitely the best quarterback I've coached against," Belichick recently told the Boston Globe's Ben Volin, via NBC Sports. "There have been quarterbacks who called their own plays, but it was nowhere near the same as what he did. He basically called every play by adjusting and/or changing the play once he saw what the defense was doing. He excelled at using the cadence and recognizing blitzes, and more than any one single offensive player, he forced us to change and adapt defensive game plans."

 

[crawhammer]

For Super Bowl era, yes, he'd be top-10. For all-time: Brady, Graham, Baugh, Montana, Luckman, Starr, Staubach, Unitas are top 8. Manning and Young are probably 9-10. A bunch of guys have similar claims to the next tier, based on different strengths: Elway, Dawson, Marino, Bradshaw, Van Brocklin, Rodgers, Herber, Brees, Favre, Tarkenton.

Rodgers is somewhere in there...soon he will be surpassed in all his efficiency marks just like everyone else who came before him.

All-time vs Super Bowl era really opens up the can of worms. I think Bradshaw has got to be ahead of some of those other QBs but obviously there are good arguments for all of them. Brady's #1... it's all at least debatable after him.

If Rodgers career INT% stays in the 1.3% range then I don't think that record will be broken.

I'm sorry, but I am going with the GOAT HC over a bunch of forum posters. And remember, Manning owns Brady in the AFCCG (3-1). In fact, the last time Brady beat a Manning in the postseason was in 2004.

Bill Belichick says Peyton Manning is 'definitely the best quarterback I've coached against'

The coach and QB had some legendary duels during the last two decades

www.cbssports.com

We're mostly in agreement with where Peyton Manning belongs on the all-time list but you're taking it way too far by suggesting Belichick would have won as any championships with Manning. Manning had a long track record as an underperforming postseason quarterback. He was flat out terrible in his Super Bowl appearances yet he still won 2 (with HCs not named Bill Belichick). You think Belichick is winning 6 Super Bowls with a choker like Manning?? No way. NE got all of their SB championships courtesy of Brady game-winning drives. That's not in Manning's DNA.

Also, do you realize the caliber of receivers Manning had at his disposal in Indy?
Harrison was an 8-time first-or-second team all-pro. He 8 consecutive seasons of double-digit TDs and 1100+ receiving yards.
Wayne was an 6-time pro bowler and 3-time first-or-second team all-pro.
Manning had them as a duo for nearly a decade of his career. Harrison's in the HOF and Wayne will be in there too.
Manning also had a HOF RB (Edgerrin James).

Brady had one HOF receiver (Moss) for two seasons. He had Gronk when healthy but won plenty of big games without Gronk, including 4 of his 7 SBs.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

We're mostly in agreement with where Peyton Manning belongs on the all-time list but you're taking it way too far by suggesting Belichick would have won as any championships with Manning. Manning had a long track record as an underperforming postseason quarterback. He was flat out terrible in his Super Bowl appearances yet he still won 2 (with HCs not named Bill Belichick). You think Belichick is winning 6 Super Bowls with a choker like Manning?? No way. NE got all of their SB championships courtesy of Brady game-winning drives. That's not in Manning's DNA.

Also, do you realize the caliber of receivers Manning had at his disposal in Indy?
Harrison was an 8-time first-or-second team all-pro. He 8 consecutive seasons of double-digit TDs and 1100+ receiving yards.
Wayne was an 6-time pro bowler and 3-time first-or-second team all-pro.
Manning had them as a duo for nearly a decade of his career. Harrison's in the HOF and Wayne will be in there too.
Manning also had a HOF RB (Edgerrin James).

Brady had one HOF receiver (Moss) for two seasons. He had Gronk when healthy but won plenty of big games without Gronk, including 4 of his 7 SBs.

I never said Manning would have won 6 super bowls in NE if he played under BB. I merely said Bill would have corrected his mistakes and done better coaching him than Dungy or Kubiak. However, I think maybe Manning gets to 4 super bowls under BB. Manning was capable of putting together game winning drives - see the 2006 AFCCG. Also, Manning did not possess the quality defenses Brady had until 2015. Brady fit the Erhardt-Perkins offense, which BB got from his days at NYG.

 

[crawhammer]

I never said Manning would have won 6 super bowls in NE if he played under BB. I merely said Bill would have corrected his mistakes and done better coaching him than Dungy or Kubiak. However, I think maybe Manning gets to 4 super bowls under BB. Manning was capable of putting together game winning drives - see the 2006 AFCCG. Also, Manning did not possess the quality defenses Brady had until 2015. Brady fit the Erhardt-Perkins offense, which BB got from his days at NYG.

I don't think anybody could have coached the chokiness out of Manning. He was extremely fortunate to have won 2 SBs. Also, Indy had some really good defenses '05-'09. Bob Sanders was a beast when he was healthy in '05 and '07. He also was healthy for the '06 postseason when he was wreaking havoc on opposing offenses. And Brady never had a defense carry him to a championship like Manning did in '15 with Denver.

 

[captain stone]

Manning does get the edge over Rodgers for now. I would put Peyton top 3 all time…

Congratulations; that’s the Stupidest fuc-king post I’ve read all week.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Congratulations; that’s the Stupidest fuc-king post I’ve read all week.

You don't read enough of his posts.

 

[Steve102]

Rodgers sucks. Manning sucks. Here's Lily. Debate settled, you're welcome.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Congratulations; that’s the Stupidest fuc-king post I’ve read all week.

Most top 10 lists that I've read include Manning in the top 3.

Top 25 quarterbacks of all time: Patriots' Tom Brady leads list

Elliot Harrison unveils his ranking of the top 25 quarterbacks of all time. The players occupying the top spots on the list won't surprise you, but how does the rest of the pecking order shake out?

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You don't read enough of his posts.

I'm surprised you can even read. DOn't think for a second I believe you graduated from college (besides clown college). You already admitted a while back you didn't.

I'll rely on Belichick who has faced Manning in many games over the years rather than some DF like you who is struggling through life. I already kicked your ass in the War thread and you just keep coming back.