Amari Cooper?

[PatsFan2]

Amari Cooper actually had fewer receiving yards than Jakobi Meyers in 2021

And Jakobi Meyers heave Two TD's in three years what's your point??

 

[doesntmatter1]

Cooper is a luxury we do not need when we couldn't get the Bills to punt even once. Our wrs are not garbage imho. Harry alone brings us down. Swap out Harry for Wilkerson or even a Tre Nixon etc and we are immediately respectable. I'd like to see us use a second round pick on a wr. 1st is too big a commitment so soon after Harry, but I'd burn a second that we would probably waste on a db anyway.

I'm more concerned about our tight end situation. As it currently stands, Henry is the only tight that can consistently be a receiving threat without plays drawn up specifically for him. I'm hoping we can salvage Jonnu, but I'm not optimistic and it seems we are just wasting time on guys like Lacosse, Asiasi and whoever else we have had the last two years. It is sad to say, but I feel we had no business trading away a guy like Ryan Izzo(jag). We shouldn't feel the loss of a jag.

 

[Steve102]

I see your point but I don't think the BB way is he NFL way anymore.

There it is.

Teams going all in end up with chit years while they try to manage the cap back to a reasonable level. This team went 7-9 and everyone was jumping ship. You want a shiny toy outside like Chase or Waddle. Draft 'em. Don't overpay.

 

[Scotty]

Excellent debate from circa post 38 onwards...think this is the question the Pats coaches/owners need to ask themselves. Whichever way they select thats ok with me.

 

[50-yard-line]

There it is.

Teams going all in end up with chit years while they try to manage the cap back to a reasonable level. This team went 7-9 and everyone was jumping ship. You want a shiny toy outside like Chase or Waddle. Draft 'em. Don't overpay.

Well said. With Brady gone, Godwin probably gone, Gronk gone, millions in dead cap and really good players coming off rookie deals, what do the Bucs look like going forward?

McVay will probably leave the Rams after next year - they'll give it one more go.

Thing is, these "super=teams" still have to be fortunate to even get to the show. The Bucs drew an easy road last year (and were pretty healthy at the end) - WFT, the Ghost of Brees, the choke of Rodgers...KC with a broken OL.

The Rams were a dropped EASY int away from losing to the 9'ers.

The Chiefs should have lost to Buffalo, and did lose to a hot Cincy team.

With too many variables, I lean toward slow and steady in the NFL. Shiny broken objects can cripple a team. What's the cost per game to the Steelers if TJ Watt gets hurt? (And he's a position that has lots of injuries.)

 

[PatsFan2]

Well said. With Brady gone, Godwin probably gone, Gronk gone, millions in dead cap and really good players coming off rookie deals, what do the Bucs look like going forward?

McVay will probably leave the Rams after next year - they'll give it one more go.

Thing is, these "super=teams" still have to be fortunate to even get to the show. The Bucs drew an easy road last year (and were pretty healthy at the end) - WFT, the Ghost of Brees, the choke of Rodgers...

The Rams were a dropped EASY int away from losing to the 9'ers.

The Chiefs should have lost to Buffalo, and did lose to a hot Cincy team.

With too many variables, I lean toward slow and steady in the NFL. Shiny broken objects can cripple a team. What's the cost per game to the Steelers if TJ Watt gets hurt? (And he's a position that has lots of injuries.)

I see your build through the Draft approach and find a decent player in FA approach. That's all good but you have to Hit and we are currently paying for the more Misses than actual Hits. We did well last year we have to hope for even better this year based on the preferred approach.

 

[Boston Boxer]

Moss was damaged goods, a 4th rounder trade is all it took. Welker was a nobody, got him for a 2nd and 7th. Bill and value, on display right there. They paid Amendola, ok, fine. That was in 2013, a different time and a different team with a different set of needs, with a GOAT QB. This is not 2013.

I don't like Cooper for 20m bucks. Not with so many holes on D.

i tend to agree. Cooper is a great WR and probably worth every penny...but the Pats don't have that kind of money to spend especially with the holes they already have on D

 

[Steve102]

i tend to agree. Cooper is a great WR and probably worth every penny...but the Pats don't have that kind of money to spend especially with the holes they already have on D

I dunno. I think for that kind of money, he needs to be transformative. There's plenty of other guys I'd rather have for 20m.

 

[FCB02062]

ah, now's the season when every rumored cut/release, no matter how unrealistic or realistic as a Pats acquisition, gets a Patsfans thread....

 

[Steve102]

ah, now's the season when every rumored cut/release, no matter how unrealistic or realistic as a Pats acquisition, gets a Patsfans thread....

Especially wide outs

 

[PWRxWLF]

I disagree Dallas was pretty Stacked at the Skill positions that's why they can move on from Cooper...we weren't stacked at all. Cooper would elevate both Bourne and Myers if we are not in the mix after he's cut I'll be very surprised. My argument is we suck at Drafting WR's Cooper is already proven and still in his prime again what's not to like?

Oh, I agree with the bolded. No argument here until the Pats can prove otherwise. Then again, it’s not like they’ve taken a lot of swings investing in the position. My problem is that Cooper is going to be asking for more money than any of our current receivers make, and with the amount of FA’s we have on our own roster coupled with the lack of playmakers on D, spending that kind of money on a guy like Cooper isn’t smart. Stacked roster or not, you pay a receiver that kind of money, I want 1200-1400 yards type of seasons.

It’s looking more and more like JC is gonna be allowed to hit the market leaving the Pats with no return other than a possible comp pick. That means we have no true #1 CB, our starting RT and starting LG are FA’s. Bill has to make a decision on Jacobi. D-Mac, HT, and Bentley all have to have their spots filled or make decisions on who to re-sign or not. This team needs A LOT of work and have very little cap space and draft capital (ATM) to work with. Which brings me back to Cooper. Getting into a bidding war for a guy that is the Kirk Cousins of WR’s doesn’t seem very responsible.

 

[PatsFan2]

Oh, I agree with the bolded. No argument here until the Pats can prove otherwise. Then again, it’s not like they’ve taken a lot of swings investing in the position. My problem is that Cooper is going to be asking for more money than any of our current receivers make, and with the amount of FA’s we have on our own roster coupled with the lack of playmakers on D, spending that kind of money on a guy like Cooper isn’t smart. Stacked roster or not, you pay a receiver that kind of money, I want 1200-1400 yards type of seasons.

It’s looking more and more like JC is gonna be allowed to hit the market leaving the Pats with no return other than a possible comp pick. That means we have no true #1 CB, our starting RT and starting LG are FA’s. Bill has to make a decision on Jacobi. D-Mac, HT, and Bentley all have to have their spots filled or make decisions on who to re-sign or not. This team needs A LOT of work and have very little cap space and draft capital (ATM) to work with. Which brings me back to Cooper. Getting into a bidding war for a guy that is the Kirk Cousins of WR’s doesn’t seem very responsible.

I get it holy: I want us to field a very good Team this coming year. I have to admit though "the Kirk Cousins of WR’s" part is very funny.

 

[50-yard-line]

I see your build through the Draft approach and find a decent player in FA approach. That's all good but you have to Hit and we are currently paying for the more Misses than actual Hits. We did well last year we have to hope for even better this year based on the preferred approach.

I don't understand how people watching the Pats accept the RBBC concept, but don't seem to get the WRTEBC approach. No one on the Pats gets a ton of targets - other than Meyers, I think the most was Henry. Fewer targets = fewer yards, period.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don't understand how people watching the Pats accept the RBBC concept, but don't seem to get the WRTEBC approach. No one on the Pats gets a ton of targets - other than Meyers, I think the most was Henry. Fewer targets = fewer yards, period.

50: you can't rule out them getting or developing a player who stands out from their peers. I don't think they Drafted Michel or Harry that High to be in the RBBC or WRBC approach. They were First Rounders with the potential to be Stars or very good players.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I dunno. I think for that kind of money, he needs to be transformative. There's plenty of other guys I'd rather have for 20m.

I am also worried about the psychological damage from being in the Cowboy's system and Jerruh's hysteria for a long time. I am afraid that he will just be another veteran WR who can't deal with the NE offense and expectations.

 

[Steve102]

I am also worried about the psychological damage from being in the Cowboy's system and Jerruh's hysteria for a long time. I am afraid that he will just be another veteran WR who can't deal with the NE offense and expectations.

I don't know about Jerry's hysteria. I do know about how Bill builds teams. He looks for the dreaded value. He will pay top dollar for a player, if that player performs at top of market. If he can get 75-80% of production out of a player compared to the top producers, but he gets them at 30-50% of market, then it's a good deal.

To your point tho, if Jerry's ready to cut this guy because he's not producing at a level that is representative of his contract, that should tell you how interested the Pats will be. At least that what I see at my keyboard.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Hmmmmmm we have some money he's a NEED Rookie WR's aren't a guarantee to work out here...what's not to like? Proven player who would be a safe acquisition for this Team. Who would you prefer JC Jackson or Amari Cooper?? Cooper is no brainer to me he's still in his prime.

I disagree Dallas was pretty Stacked at the Skill positions that's why they can move on from Cooper...we weren't stacked at all. Cooper would elevate both Bourne and Myers if we are not in the mix after he's cut I'll be very surprised. My argument is we suck at Drafting WR's Cooper is already proven and still in his prime again what's not to like?

It's obvious the Cowboys are going to Cut him! what the problem?? I am not suggesting we Trade for him but the Patriots wouldn't be wise if they didn't at least pursue him.

You definitely love the Pats a lot.

 

[PatsFan2]

You definitely love the Pats a lot.

I'm blushing. ??

 

[Since1960]

Hmm, Cooper’s last two games vs the Pats - 5 catches, 55 yards, 0 TD’s. Guess it depends if we’re looking for an “ upgrade” for Harry or just a “fill-in”….

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I'm blushing. ??

we won 6 SB but I get that Harry sux. I get it PF2. I think the law of average has been on our side though.